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Post by rex362 on Mar 9, 2008 20:31:50 GMT -5
07 March 2008 Belgrade _ Zoran Lutovac, the newly appointed Ambassador of Serbia to Montenegro, warned the tiny Adriatic republic to honour Serbia's stance and not recognise Kosovo's independence, Radio B92 reported Friday. Lutovac, Serbia's first ambassador to Montenegro in 92 years, told a press conference in Podgorica that Belgrade is watching "with special attention" what Montenegro will do regarding the recognition of the newest Balkan state, which unilaterally seceded from Belgrade on 17 February. Serbia would, Lutovac said, undertake the same measures against Montenegro that it has taken against other countries that have already recognised Kosovo, i.e. recall ambassadors from those countries, vowing it will never recognise Kosovo as an independent state. Lutovac submitted his credential to Montenegrin President Filip Vujanovic on Thursday, thus marking the official establishing of diplomatic relations between Belgrade and Podgorica, 20 months after Montenegro declared independence from the then state union of Serbia & Montenegro. The two republics were the last remaining members of the former Yugoslavia, following the country's violent breakup in the 1990s. Montenegro named Anka Vojvodic its ambassador to Serbia in 2006. Lutovac said on Thursday that Serbia was committed to further improving friendly relations with Montenegro – relations which had already been "at a high level." Up to 33% of Montenegro's 650,000-strong population consider themselves Serbs. The country is also home to a number of displaced persons from Kosovo. Source B92 / Fena / Balkan Insight Belgrade getting very bossy .....
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Post by tyson on Mar 9, 2008 23:18:25 GMT -5
my opinion is that montenegro will recognise kosovo's independance, but no more countries in the region will recognise kosovo's independance besides hungary, croatia and montenegro.
macedonia i dont think will end up recognising an independant kosovo, and bulgaria even more will not, and even more so greece will not.
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Post by montenegrodeki on Mar 11, 2008 4:31:39 GMT -5
No true Montenegrin would agree with Recognising Kosovo, even though we have been treated bad by Serbia many times in the past, they are our brothers and we have fought alongside for centuries, half of Serbia has Montenegrin roots, Terroreign, sometimes your arguments are valid and i agree with you on a lot of things, plus i respect your patriotism to Montenegro, but on this you are wrong!
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Post by vucigorski on Mar 11, 2008 7:35:01 GMT -5
^^ Nice to hear from you again Congrads on the Carling Cup victory.............but you guys are still shit tacno tako brate! I dare say maybe even more, and probly vise versa. "Although not all Serbs may be Montenegrin, all Montenegrins are Serbs! I dont think ive ever heard Terror say one smart thing the entire time hes been on this forum..............
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 11:59:09 GMT -5
Montenegro almost 1/3 the population of Kosovo and Montenegro secede from brother serbia and Montenegro has the audacity to not recognize kosovo in essence its saying "kosovo be enslaved " what a sham and a shame seems to me Montenegro is a joke in that case they wont see my tourist $ and I hope the day doesn't come in the future when the Russians kick the Montenegrans out of their own country . They are buying everything with their dirty money . serbia will not take you in -FACT- will kosovo?
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Post by radovic on Mar 11, 2008 12:54:27 GMT -5
^ Your post makes no sense.
Why, should Montenegro recognize your indepnedence? - montenegro was a republic in Yugoslavia, thus it had the right to secede. - The SCG constitution gave ti rhe right to secede. - Montenegrins are a nation. There is no nation in Kosovo.
Your last part is entirely stupid. Why would Montenegrins want to join Kosovo? Why wopuld Montenegrins want to be ruled by Albaniansd?
Please. Just stop your rant now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 13:14:21 GMT -5
Rado bcs a nation of 650,000 wants to keep 2 million enslaved to Belgrade when in fact they freed themselves . Montenegro would not join kosovo . They would run there for saftey when the Russians kick em out . so if they dont recognize kosovo they must refresh their swimming lessons and into the the adriatic . serbians already have easy travel to russia they want you to visit siberia and stay there while russians with money take over serbia and monetenegro. open your eyes
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Post by radovic on Mar 11, 2008 15:11:55 GMT -5
First of all. There was no war between Montenegro and Serbia for Montenegro to obtain independence. So stop using terms like enslave and free.
Second of all. Kosovo has nothing to do with Montenegro's independence.
Three. You said,
so clearly you have some desire for Montenegro to be part of Kosovo.
Finally. So what Serbs can easily travel to Russia visa-free. Your point. More Serbs visit Cuba then travel to russia each year.
furthermore. in Serbia all that has happened is one major firm sold to russians. You can hardly compare the sale of 1 company to the sale of montenegro's land to them. Plus, what's so bad about russians the same thing would be going on in either Serbia and Montenegro if russians were not involved. The only difference being that russians offer a better price.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 16:16:39 GMT -5
<so clearly you have some desire for Montenegro to be part of Kosovo.>
stop playing serbian games with me I said when the russians kick em out and run to Kosovo or serbia
<Finally. So what Serbs can easily travel to Russia visa-free. Your point. More Serbs visit Cuba then travel to russia each year.>
while your gone the russians will cease your property .
<The only difference being that russians offer a better price.>
with dirty money and most of that maybe counterfeit money
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Post by radovic on Mar 11, 2008 16:29:55 GMT -5
<so clearly you have some desire for Montenegro to be part of Kosovo.> stop playing serbian games with me I said when the russians kick em out and run to Kosovo or serbia Clearly I'm not playing games. And you have some desire for them to be part of Kosovo. Since, you mentioned Serbia wouldn't take in Montenegro. Taking in implies Montenegro becoming part of something else. Furthermore. Your claim is stupid. Montenegro's economy is larger then that of Kosovo and Kosovo could never help Montenegro. Wrong. Most of our property has already been bought by Serb oligarchs. first of all. Considering, Russians have bought alot of assets in the west, I sdoubt their money is counterfeit. Or that Montenegrins would be so stupid to not realize the money is counterfeit. Second of all. Russian money is just as disrty as western money. Third. Who cares if it's dirty money. So long as the Montenegrin or Serb economy benefits. You know, it's something called the free market and I believe you should learn it Comrade fool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 16:35:41 GMT -5
taking in as in refugees
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Post by radovic on Mar 11, 2008 16:43:14 GMT -5
Okay. If your going to use that logic, you should be aware of several facts: - The russians will not be kicking out Montenegrins. Montenegrin property is being bought up by Russians because unlike in the EU they need no visa. Montenegro will be more like Ibiza, where the Brits have bought out most of the properties. - Even if they did kickout Montenegrins the Montenegrins would not go to Kosovo since: a. They'd go to Serbia or RS, where they have brethren and where people are more closely realted to them. b. They'd go to any Slavic country before they'd consider Kosovo. c. The Albanians would attack them, just like how they attack Serbs in Kosovo or any one similar to Serbs (e.g. Gorani and the Bulgarian police officer killed a few years ago). d. Why would they go to Kosovo, when Italy is right accross the sea.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 11, 2008 17:06:53 GMT -5
No true Montenegrin would agree with Recognising Kosovo, even though we have been treated bad by Serbia many times in the past, they are our brothers and we have fought alongside for centuries, half of Serbia has Montenegrin roots, Terroreign, sometimes your arguments are valid and i agree with you on a lot of things, plus i respect your patriotism to Montenegro, but on this you are wrong! Okay deki, I see where you are coming from on this, the old "forgive and forget" right? I dont particularly mind that...when it comes to what serbia has done to us in the distant past But what about what they are doing to us right now? Calling Montenegro a "quasi-state"? Refusing the registration of the Montenegrin Orthodox Church in Serbia? Serbia just has not shown any effort to create a friendship with Montenegro, not within the last 10 years, hell, not within the last 100! It has been us who have been helping themAnd what do we see in return? Nothing, absolutely. And yes you are right, there are many serbs with Montenegrin roots, haha you can say that without Montenegrins there would be no Serbia, but without Serbia, Montenegro would Prosper! ;D I personally believe that historically kosovo is serbian land, but the word "historically" must be emphazised(sp?). Serbia and the serb people are the reason why they lost this province, and the only ones who can help them in the end, are them. And radovic, you obviously are not familiar with Montenegro's laws on Citizenship and property ownership, foreigners can own structures but they cannot own the land which it is on, this is why many russians were complaining to the montenegrin government. So no matter what Montenegrins own everything. And no matter what circumstance Montenegrins wouldnt run to kosovo, nor RS Serbia maybe, but serbia would probably not allow such an influx and there would be conflict for the MOC, Croatia would be the ideal place.
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Post by radovic on Mar 11, 2008 17:38:39 GMT -5
Let's see. Why was Montenegro calling a quasi-state? Oh yes, because a montenegrin government official said that pro-Serb Montenegrins bee stripped of citizenship.
And why isn;t the MOC church registered in Serbia?
Oh yes, it isn't Orthodox. It's registration would violate Serbian laws.
Using your logic. Montenegro has been doing nothing but leeching off of Serbia for a 100 years. And blaiming all it's problems on serbia.
And Montenegrin leaders from the 18th century to the 1920 liked Montenegro being in a state with Serbia. Oh and then there's the fact that in the late 80's/early 90's virtually all Montenegrin leaders did the same.
Your logic is plain retarded: - Serbia hasn't stripped Montenegrins of Serbian citizenship, but something a montenegrin leader said Montenegro should do. Yes, such a friendly act from Montenegro. - Everything Serbia supposedly did to Montenegro in the 1990s had supported from Montenegro or Montenegrins carried it out. In fact had Montenegrins in FRY not supported Milosevic, he would have been gone from power in 1997.
Let's see. Montenegrin isn't poorer then it is now because 300,000 of your citizens work in Serbia. Let's see from the 1950s to the late 90's 40% of your government budget came from Serbia.
What did Serbia get in return from you, nothing.
Yes. Without Serbia, you need Russia to prosper.
Well no one is asking you to help. The only thing Serbia is saying is that it doesn;t want Montenegro recognizing Kosovo. It believes it is in Montenegro's best interest not to recognize it.
Actually. That's absolute b.s. Montenegro has changed some of it's laws to comply with the EU. If it changed property laws then Montenegro must give the same property rights to foreigners as it would to citizens.
Also. Equality of property ownership to Montenegrins and foreigners was guaranteed in SCG. Most russians bought the property before then, and montenegro can't deny them those rights despite the changes. and even if what you claim was the case they just need to register a business in Montenegro and they can have full control of the land.
That's your opinion. And it's a f**kedup one at that.
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Post by osmano on Mar 12, 2008 12:33:35 GMT -5
“the Montenegrin who would sign Kosovo’s independence would incur the curse of St. Peter of Cetinje“- serb orthodox bishop Amfilohije 2007
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Post by terroreign on Mar 12, 2008 12:50:43 GMT -5
First off there exists no curse dealing with this issue, secondly, the curse of Car Lazar he probably means, which is all fine and dandy
But the important part is that Montenegrins did NOT go to Kosovo during the war with the Ottomans
The Balsici stayed in Montenegro, and nothing happened to them.
But Bosnian Serb King Tvrtko went, Hercegovinian Ruler went, all serbs went.
Not the Montenegrins, so F off!
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Post by osmano on Mar 12, 2008 13:42:05 GMT -5
the curse of Car Lazar he probably means Onaj Crnogorac koji bi potpisao nezavisnost Kosova i Metohije, taj æe na sebe navesti kletvu Svetog Petra Cetinjskog i uzeæe obraz Crnoj Gori", rekao je Amfilohije.www.svevesti.com/?l=sr&a=17436 ;D
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Post by terroreign on Mar 12, 2008 13:43:40 GMT -5
Ok yea he said that, but hes an idiot, quote the curse
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Post by osmano on Mar 12, 2008 13:53:04 GMT -5
"Ko je garav i planinskoga roda, i od vlaske krvi i kolena, a priznao nezavisnost republjike Kosova, jadan ne imao od srca poroda, ni muškoga ni devojaèkoga! Od izlezavanja mu jos manje rodilo, rujno vino ni pšenica bela! Rðom kapo dok mu je kolena!”
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Post by terroreign on Mar 12, 2008 14:23:48 GMT -5
lol i'll wipe my guza with that
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