Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 14, 2008 4:28:05 GMT -5
Thanks HD, l appreciate your brotherly love. Do what you want, your the one making the call, all l'm doing is posting my thoughts and l thank aadmin for giving me this freedom to do so.
Novi Pazar, i think you overstating facts here. Building a forum dedicated to Serbia is very easy. How much AAA pays per month? less than 3-4 packets of cigarettes i'd say (however i have not contacted any web hoster, or bought any smoke for some years now). The hard thing is having a forum dedicated to the "love" for Serbia, and apparently this forum never was neither will ever be. 90% of the time albies, croats, muslims have ruined it all. No many positive thoughts here. Ofcourse the plus of it is that it is rarely visited,updated and thus easy to catch up. A real Serbian forum would have much more activity than this. I almost considered coming back myself, but .... nahhhhhhh, never mind.
"You pseudo-Serbs who speak against me wrong. The Siptar is right. I do represent the TRADITIONAL Serb mentality perfectly. It is ****** like Aadmin and Novi Pazar who think that the greatest thing in life is to have their own ideas be as unique to themselves as possible - who do not represent that Serbian mentality."
HD, l respect everyone, there is 'some' truth to what you say politically, but to call me a pseudo serb (phony serb) isn't better than those ignorant serbs who call my family a *siptar* and tell us we don't speak proper Serbian or Belgradian Serbian, because we are from that backward kosovo i metohia. People in my family, of my generation, have said enough is enough, we are not going to be the lower class untouchables no more and be the centre of their dumb peasantry humor, we have gone out there to improve our lives and only now we have received the respect of these people.....we are in harmony with the good and bad....the ying and yan!. Ironically, these same people who joked, laughed and belittled us, cry out to us for support and advice now, we are gold for them.
"Novi Pazar, i think you overstating facts here. Building a forum dedicated to Serbia is very easy. How much AAA pays per month? less than 3-4 packets of cigarettes i'd say (however i have not contacted any web hoster, or bought any smoke for some years now). The hard thing is having a forum dedicated to the "love" for Serbia, and apparently this forum never was neither will ever be. 90% of the time albies, croats, muslims have ruined it all. No many positive thoughts here. Ofcourse the plus of it is that it is rarely visited,updated and thus easy to catch up. A real Serbian forum would have much more activity than this. I almost considered coming back myself, but .... nahhhhhhh, never mind."
I see where your coming from, but this is a forum for everybody and l know some segments, particularly the Albanians, like to ruin threads because it gives them alittle giggle behind the computer screen.
I see much has been written since my departure. I've been in Denmark last week and I see highduke is already celebrating 'its' 'victory'. The more I read its replies the more confident I become that it is a psycopath. If it is indeed representative of your 'traditional Serb', I feel sorry for Serbia and all Serbs. No wonder it wants to send Serbia and the Serbs back to the Middle Age with the burning witches (Milosevic's wife and Ceca could volunteer in this section), illiteracy and barbarism. I'm sure it's even unaware of why the era is called the middle age. Oh well ... to the point;
Once again - you have no sources, no proof to back up anything you say. Serb peasants aren't heroic but the Serb highlander pastoralists are half of the entire Serb population- so I don't see why look at Serbs exclusively as peasant stock.
Those people are necessary for a stable society. We have others who specialize in heroism.
What sources? You do not need sources to point out contradictions and fallacies in your reasoning. I am using your own arguments against you.
Also, your claim of Serbs being 1/2 pastoralists and 1/2 peasants is BS. Montenegro is not 1/2 of all Serbs, and the Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina are Vlach descended. Even if originally Slav they constitute (together with the Montenegrins) far less than 1/2 of the Serb population. On the other hand, Serbia was fully incorporated within the Ottoman empire. And just like during Dusan's reign, they were land-tied PEASANTS with no sense of being warlike, chivalrous and heroic. THAT is your Serbian majority. On the other hand, the heroic Montenegrins' lifestyle and traditions are very reminiscent of the neighbouring Albanian lifestyle and traditions. Since you want quotes so desperately, read your own Carleton S. Coon whom you like so much; he says the Montenegrins are 'merely' Slavicized Albanians !!!
As for the 'stabilizing' peasant; we have that type too. Do not worry. It's just that you Afgans have some more of it. Ever since you stepped foot in the Balkans after your long journey from the mountains of Hindukush and Afghanistan, you've become more and more serf-like. And it explains alot when one in retrospect recall every contact one has had with Serbs; always that subserviant smile, that 'I am not into politics' etc. No sense of confrontation and natural courage unless in a group.
You complain that I want to reduce Siptarke to prostitute status by enslaving them and yet you seem proud of the fact that Muslim beys raped their Christian serfs' wife on the first night of marriage judging by your remark.
Do you know what the difference is between our two impulses? The Albanians were the ones who did it first. Serbs haven't done that to Albanians. Yet. And if we did it would only be revenge because you started it first. That means it would not have been as bad. But we haven't done it yet, so are we stupid or are we fair for not having done it?
Who the * * * * are you to talk to me about heroism and bravery? You hooked up with the Turks and opressed the Serbs and then you throw that in a Serb's face after criticising his morals regarding fascism?
You talk about human rights and yet you don't seem too concerned about the 100 000 Serb humans expelled by Albanians in '99 or the mini massacre a few years later.
I'm sure your Shkinas are quite beautiful (I should know), but you're giving them to much credit. I can imagine Albanian warriors ****** some Serb peasant girls once or twice, but I doubt that such sexual intercourse was forced upon. Kosovar Serb girls were and are renown for adoring Albanian **** (again, I should know), but that is not the point. You're speaking of an era when nationalism was not a dominating ideology. Other factors drove people to do what they did.
And so, we can conclude that the REAL difference in our impulses is that IF what you say even occured (which I will come to later), what we did was the result of us inheriting a feudal system where prima noctae was already exercised. In other words, your OWN nobility ****** your OWN peasantry. And this in more ways than the litteral meaning. WHEREAS your motivation is purely driven by NATIONALISM. Therein lies the difference. That is what makes you a fascist. Because the nobility in the Ottoman empire was a nobility regardless ethnicity, and so you had even converted SERBS ******* Serb peasants.
BUT, this is all hypothetically speaking. If Albanian studs prayed on 'innocent' Serb peasants, it was a very rare phenomenon !! Your own Serbs make this very clear;
"I tell the facts as they occurred, to show the estimation in which the army of the reformers is held. To put the position briefly : no man's life or property is considered safe from the Albanians, and no woman's honour from the Nizams, in "Old Serbia." Savage as are the Albanians, I have been told repeatedly that they never assault women. "
As for revenge; you pathetic man, if anyone should ache for revenge it is us. We have done NOTHING to equate what you've done to us the last century, let alone throughout the time your kind set foot on the Balkans. The odds are more likely that we will, as Isa Boletini said, manure the soil of Kosova with Serbs than you taking "revenge" on us because your own nobility and some Turkish agas who succeeded them raped Serb women here and there.
I posted you scanned pages of quotes from Western and Albanian scholars to back up my POV on Albanians. You posted what? Your own unreferenced 'article' about peasant-warriors.
You little ****. You pathetic, little ****. You're just projecting your own deserved self-hatred on to me. You're the hypocrite because you have no evidence and I do and yet you insist that you're right and I'm wrong..
I never said Serbs were "peasant warriors". Quote me, ******. Link me. If you can't quote me & link me, then don't attribute the statement to me.
Should we listen to Western and Albanian scholars whom highduke relies on for his POV about Albanian (lack of) character - or Dijedon's unrefferenced rant that assumes that 100% (and not 1/2%) of the Serb population were peasants? You, little Sipcina.
You're such a liar it is not even funny. You never said Serbs were peasant warriors? That is exactly what you said;
The Arabs are not people we should be comparing ourselves to. They're greedy semitic, desert-nomad traders and craftsmen. ancestrally. We Serbs are warrior-peasants.
Why make such a fool of yourself you thingy? You've stooped to a new low level, and the funny part is that you did it all by your own making. I need but to point out the fallacies in your stupid arguments and my case is done. No need for 'highduke tactics' with selective quotes, weird interpretations of scholarly work and pseudo-science reminiscent of the early 20th century when skull measurement was a hobby.
Let me remind you, Dijedon:
A healthy man has no contradictions or is successfully always striving and eager to eliminate any contradiction as soon as it becomes apparent to him.
A defective man has multiple contradictions wants to think that this doesn't make him any better than the healthy man. He envies the healthy man and wants to tear him down.
That's what's being played out in the Kosovo conflict on an ethnic scale between two ethnic groups as opposed to two individuals. These are two mentalities, one valueless and one valuable.
I know I am the former and you the latter, but no need to point out the obvious. Your 100 PMs made your jealousy (though I must admit I was not sure if it was worship) rather clear. I am afraid I've taken TLR's role.
You Siptari betrayed Skenderbeg and converted to Islam and prospered by helping his Turkish enemies. They are not even European but descend from Anatolians. They created a theory of Illyrian-European origin in the late 19th century full of holes to cover up their Asiatic origin. Then they discarded their religion as soon as it became convenient which means lack of honor or consistency. They've been allied to the Red Chinese under Mao, to the Turks, to the Nazis and to the US which is hated world-wide and just as odious as the others.
You will be consumed by hatred and envy. That is the path of all hypocrites, regardless of ethnicity, because you don't have the ability to be consistent in your self-expression.
That is what frustrates a man the most and makes him at a loss regarding his own identity because he's been different things at different times. When the different stages were fundamentally contradictory to previous ones (e.g: Sipci - Christianity/Islam, Islam/Nationalism, Stalinism/Maoism, Communism/Democracy, China/USA) - a man becomes ontologically insecure and neurotic and lashes out and blames others because of a lack of self-understanding.
When an ethnicity goes through such contradictory stages in its history it develops the same way because the ethno-psyche is analogous to the the individual personality.
And it is here we can conclude that your description of the 'degenrate, corrupt and hypocrit' man is a mirror of none other than YOU. You speak of consistency. You speak of social changes which you interpret as deliberate acts of collective cowardice and conspiracy. You speak of convertation from Christianity to Islam. Fine. Let's speak of consistency. Let's speak of your convertation to Christianity. Your forefathers abandoned their pagan beliefs for Christianity. How should that be interpreted? As 'different'?
Or let's leave religion alone. Let's speak of identity. In your own words, Serbs are 'genetically autochtonous'. However, we know that you speak a Slav language, and the Slavs only arrived in 600 AD. Your forefathers must've spoken something differently prior to their Slavization. It is well-known that much of Illyria was romanized during antiquity. Some would speak 'proto-Vlach' while the coastal Illyrians would speak Dalmatian or 'Vegliot'. But prior to this, you spoke something else. Meaning, you've changed language and identity NUMEROUS times. What is that a sign of? Weakness, degenracy, corruption? It must be according to your reasoning.
Infact, all this makes us conclude that everytime you've been invaded, you've changed identities like underwear. And you have the nerves to complain on us for converting to Islam (somrthing not all Albanians have done). That, 'brate', is HYPOCRICY ! Not to mention that many Serbs did convert to Islam as well. A little 'cleansing' does not change the fact that the Muslim population in both Montenegro and Serbia was considerable. And as for the rest; you too have switched from nationalism to fascism (Nedic, Ljotic, Zbor), and then from fascism to communism. Finally, after communism you went back to nationalism. If you think the presence of a multitude of ideologies within specific national borders is something uniquely restricted to Albania, you're a bigger fool than I ever thought.
They are not even European but descend from Anatolians. They created a theory of Illyrian-European origin in the late 19th century full of holes to cover up their Asiatic origin.
Oh shut up already. You trully are a disturbed psycho. Let's for a minute accept everything you say, that we infact do descend from 'Asian Dardanians' who came to the Balkans from Caucasus via Anatolia exactly 3,000 years ago. Do you sincerely believe we preserved a collective memory from that time of our 'Asian origins'? And that we, 'wild Anatolians' (if we indeed had an oral/written tradition stretching so far back, I would not classify us as 'wild' but quite advanced) then 'fabricated' a theory of a Illyrian identity?
Firstly, the theory of us being Illyrians was firstly presented by a Swedish historian in the University of Leipzig in the 18th century. His name was Johann Erik Thunman. His motivation behind such an argumentation was anything but political. Infact, references to Albanians as Illyrians had been made previously as well (including the 15th century when Byzantine officials mentioned Albanian immigrants coming to the Peoloponessus).
Secondly, if 3,000 years is not enough to make us European, what is enough? By that time the Serb ethnos wasn't even formed, since you had your genes waiting in Western Balkans, your language being spoken in the steppes of Russia and the carriers of your name (Serboi) dwelving in Afganistan, awaiting their departure to Caucasus and then Europe.
Thirdly, calling us 'Anatolians' because our ancestors allegedly came from there 3,000 years ago is a fallacy. You said it yourself; they in turn came from Caucasus. So why the label 'Anatolian'? If you stretch back so far, why not stretch a little longer and call us 'kavkazi'? And then even further ... and further ... and further !?
All modern Europeans have ancestors who've made it to Europe via Asia. Anatolia is where the dawn of civilization emerged (argiculture). Are we all Asian now? Furthermore, genetic studies have shown greatest similiarities between Albanians, Greeks & Romanians. Are they too 'Asian Anatolians' now? An Albanian is genetically closer to an Irishman than a Serb is. It's far more complicated than you wish to make it look like.
Furthermore, your theories have NEVER been presented as such until now. Do you sincerely think you have achieved what hundreds of professional, respected and objective scholars within the fields of history and linguistics did not achieve, namely finding out the truth about our ethnogenesis? Please; you're turning out more and more into a psychotic narcissist. The affinity of the Dardanians with the rest of the Illyrians, but also Thracians, cannot be denied. Nor can our genetic kinship with the Romanians. We being indigenous is, as Aleksandar Stipcevic remarked, only disputed by nationalist Serbs desperate to find historical justification for their bloody existance as butcherers of the Balkans.
And for the latter, no 'sources' are needed since it is well known that within the circle of respectful debate and true intellectuals, your theories are not only neglected, but they are unknown, unconsidered. This because true scholars do not engage in pseudo-science. Whereas the Illyrian theory is still the leading one.
Now take a towel and clean your face.
Last Edit: Jan 14, 2008 23:09:48 GMT -5 by Novi Pazar
Who do you think Dijedon wants to win in Serbia? Does he want all Serbs thinking like Tadic & Jovanovic? Or does he want all Serbs to be exactly like highduke and vote for the Radicals and unify with Putin's New Russia?
In all sincerity, I could not give a rat's *** about what occurs in Serbia and who wins what in elections; we'll win our freedom regardless. The Radicals are using the nationalist card to sieze power. It's been done before. I am sure that with highduke's mental capacity the pattern cannot be seen. And so, if I trully want the destruction of Serbia, I'd wish for the Serbs to elect the Radicals.
This because if Radicals implement their promises, Serbia will enter isolation. That Russia will come and 'save the day' is a pathetic delusion. After Russian gas runs out, Serbs will come back crawling for some Western mercy. But I reckon this will occur far earlier. Afterall, if Russia cannot maintain its own starving and decreasing population in a healthy state, what makes you think they will save Serbia?
And so, I must come to the conclusion that it depends. When I speak to decent Serbs, when I see Serbs whom I can familiarize with, I do not wish the Radicals for Serbia. Tadic is indeed your best option. But then you get your occasional highduke. After he is done rabbling, I do indeed wish the Serbs elect the Radicals. And then they will achieve what their predecessors already did; further wrecking Serbia's reputation as an isolated fascist state obsessed with imperialist dreams.
Holbrooke says that the hatred between Serbs and Serb-derived pseudo-ethnic groups including Sipcine is greater then the hatred nbetween Jew and Arab. That means that the hatred between me and Dijedon is the greatest hartred in the modern human consciousness. It is the strongest negative emotion that is able to be felt by any other living beings except Serbs and these others.
The difference is that the Siptari hate with envy because we are everything they want to be but are opposite of.
Speak for yourself. Hatred is for the weak ... you hate me, and only you know the reason for it. But I do not hate you. That I will spare to a worthy enemy that is indeed morally stronger than me. But even then I think respect will dominate over hate. For you I have only pitty and above all disgust. On the other hand, the hatred which consumes you from within will eate you alive. I do not wish for myself such hatred, nor do I feel it. I look down on you, and I cannot feel 'hatred' for such a person.
Last Edit: Jan 14, 2008 23:12:38 GMT -5 by Novi Pazar
Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 14, 2008 8:32:52 GMT -5
Hey Donnie, stop mimicking the bosniaks, vlach this vlach that. Thats BS. True vlachs (i am from epiros i know) never grow beyond 1.75 (men), 1.65 (women). Now compare that to the RS Serb average. Also your claim that Albies look like irish, sounds more like a desperate cry for attention!! Look westie guys, we may be muslim and serving the turks for 500+ years, we may base our economy on drug smuggling, we may not put order and actual work in the first priority (well not even in 100th priority), we may change camps like shirts (WWI, WWII, today) but hey!! look we got some blonde people originating from your very ancient stock, bla bla bla. Very convincing!!!!
Hey albie dudes, learn how to place a street number on the road (in its correct position if possible), learn how to sell an item without having to lie 10 times/second, learn how to build trust relationships (finally get a clue as well) and then come back to claim "illirian" brotherhood with the irish! Eitherway, the ones that look, act, behave closer to Germans/Slavs are the Serbs.
Oh and that fairytale about CrnoGorski's being of albanian ancestry is really a good one!
Last Edit: Jan 14, 2008 23:13:35 GMT -5 by Novi Pazar
Hey pokemon, stop mimicking the bosniaks, vlach this vlach that. Thats BS. True vlachs (i am from epiros i know) never grow beyond 1.75 (men), 1.65 (women). Now compare that to the RS Serb average.
What the hell does height have to do with anything? Who said the Vlachs were a uniform, homogenous body? I'm sure differences in height might be explained by other factors than claiming all Vlachs above 1,75cm as Serbian, lol.
I mean, do you even realize how stupid you seem? Have you actually conducted a scientific measure of the Vlach average? What is a "true" Vlach anyway? Could it be that those Vlachs inhabiting Bosnia once upon a time were "truer" Vlach than your Epirotian ones? That your Vlachs have acquired a smaller stature due to intermarriage with Greeks?
Also your claim that Albies look like irish, sounds more like a desperate cry for attention!!
I never did that. I've been in Ireland. Loved their music, hated their food. I have much sympathy for that people, and Celtic music is a passion of mine. But I would not like for my people to look like Irishmen, no offence.
Last Edit: Jan 14, 2008 23:15:38 GMT -5 by Novi Pazar
Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 14, 2008 9:27:57 GMT -5
Donnie, are you sure you have successfully passed at least the first 3 years of elementary school? (if there is such a thing in your albanimalia). The problem with albies, is that they eventually believe the lies that they say. Where did say that all vlachs abover 1.75cm are Serbs? I said, (a practice in logic called reduction to a false tautology): Lets assume RS Serbs are vlachs. But Vlachs rarely grow big (from Greece to Romania), so that height average (1.83+ for men) (along with the obvious lack of Vlach dialect, a most important point which any serb hater would love to ommit) is a proof of non-vlachness of the RS, ex BiH Serb population. Muslims used that word cause Serbs called them "turci". So fellow, please, in generall try to pull your head outside of your ****, if your to be taken seriously. Logic must not be your strong side. But the inherent lack of logic in albanians is rarely distinguished from the delibarate effort to look stupid. Falsifications, lies and random deviation from the substance however look a very familiar "craft" in their/your hands. Dude your pathetic race suffers from massive serious mental problems. Look, noone can prove anything, history is 99% filled with garbage. Point is, Serbs, Greeks *stand* a chance in modern world, while albies not. Your change in mentality would require total brain xplant. not feasible. So, get the funk outahere, before HighDuke bashes you again. But wait.... Albies cant be defeated, like zombies. You just cant kill some one who is not alive.
And 'cause, many words are a sign of (mental) poverty, just an advice to you and to your poor minded compatriots: There is the forest and the tree. If you wanna miss smth, at least try not to miss the former. You keep missing it (and most of trees as well, like in your previous post) here for ages.
Comment about the facts that i wrote, albie not the portions of my posting which you thought(wished) you could argue about. You are acting like a genuine albanian, and thats not good.
Last Edit: Jan 14, 2008 23:17:40 GMT -5 by Novi Pazar
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 14, 2008 12:53:44 GMT -5
Vlach just means romanized locals and Vlachs are mutually most similar to other local populations (racially and genetically) then to each other. Therefore Morachs would be racially and genetically same as todays Montenegrins, BiH Serbs and Serbs in general that live where they used to live (as they became slavized later), Albanian Vlachs would be most similar to local Albanians (because they fused into them), Greeks Vlachs would be most similar to Greeks etc etc.
80% or more of Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia originated from todays eastern Hercegovina and Montenegro (and this vicinity, all regions where Serbdom as we know it today on Balkans came from) and their race, culture, language is most similar to people back where they originated from. Serbs are by far of local origins (I would say more the Bosniaks, Tuzla region is clearly mixed with Slavs, or Croats, as northern Pannonian regions are clearly mixed with Slavs) or of romanized locals (by some called Vlachs).
11th century tell how the Morlachs lived in the mountainous regions of Montenegro, Bosnia (Stara Vlaška), Herzegovina and on the Dalmatian coast. In the 14th century, some Morlachs moved northward and settled in present-day Croatia where later they would serve as frontier guardians in the Military Frontier between the Habsburg (Croatia) and the Ottoman (Bosnia) Empires, an area sometimes known as Morlachia. The continuous attempts by the feudal lords to reduce them to serfdom failed. It is not clear as yet exactly how the Morlachs survived, but the slower feudalization of the Western Balkans compared to the west of Europe seem to alleviate their decentralization from the feudal bonds. Greater freedom and easier mobility gave rise to the continuous running Slavic serfs whom they encountered, and eventually most Morlachs linguistically assimilated the local Slavs.
"The Morlachs, who constitute the remaining 96%, belong to the Serbo-Croatian branch of the Slavonic race, having absorbed the Latinized Illyrians, Albanians and other alien elements with which they have been associated. The name of Morlachs, Morlaks or Morlacks commonly bestowed by English writers on the Dalmatian Sla y s, though sometimes restricted to the peasantry of the hills, is an abbreviated form of Mavrovlachi, meaning either "Black Vlachs," or, less probably, "Sea Vlachs." It was originally applied to the scattered remnants of the Latin or Latinized inhabitants of central Illyria, who were driven from their homes by the barbarian invaders during the 7th century, and took refuge among the mountains. Throughout the middle ages the Mavrovlachi were usually nomadic shepherds, cattle-drovers or muleteers. In the 14th century they emigrated from central Illyria into northern Dalmatia and maritime Croatia; and these regions were thenceforward known as Morlacchia, until the 18th century. Gradually, however, the Mavrovlachi became identified with the Slays, whose language and manners they adopted, and to whom they gave their own name. In northern Dalmatia the Sla y s of the interior are still called Morlacchi; in the south this name expresses contempt. Of the Vlachs, properly so called, very few are left in the country; although the nameVlachs is frequently used by the Sla y s to designate the Italians and the town-dwellers generally. The literary languages of Dalmatia are Italian and Serbo-Croatian; the spoken language is, in each case, modified by the introduction of various dialect forms.The Morlachs wear a picturesque and brightly-coloured costume, resembling that of the Serbs (see Servia). In appearance they are sometimes blond, with blue or grey eyes, like the Shumadian peasantry of Servia; more often, olive-skinned, with dark hair and eyes, like the Montenegrins, whom they rival in stature, strength and courage; while their conservative spirit, their devotion to national traditions, poetry and music, their pride, indolence and superstition, are typically Servian. Dalmatian public life is deeply affected by the jealousies which subsist between the Sla y s and the Italians, whose influence, though everywhere waning, remains predominant in some of the towns; and between Orthodox "Serbs," who use the Cyrillic alphabet, and Roman Catholic "Croats," who prefer the Latin. "
Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 14, 2008 15:15:35 GMT -5
In 2008, the last people talk the vlach (aromanian) dialect in some remote Greek vilages. If the yugo (supposedly) vlachs have no *memory* of vlach language during the last 200 years, then forget the idea. Vlachs did/used to:
1) Horse trade, horse breeding 2) Sheep breeding (not pigs, this art is unkown to vlachs (muslim domination made this fact even stronger)) 3) Moving during summer/winter 4) Mary only to vlachs 5) Spoke smth like katalanian/romanian/distorted french
In Greece only after the 60s (you know the era of Beatles, Roling Stones, Black Sabbath first and self titled album, etc...) did vlachs start marrying greek speakers (altho they say proudly they are Greek, and they truly feel so, in my town we had ZERO incidents with acts against vlachs).
So one has to fullfil the above, or at least have a memory of the above in order to simply think of being vlach.
Now something irelevant, about how funked up/inadequate history/documents are in balkans. We were together with a friend family from an Epiros village called dilofo, or souvoutseli, as per the non-greek name. They were puzled with the etymology of the old name. I asked if the village is short of waters, they said yes. I then told them that their village used to be "suvo selo"!!! I wrote history, in the next book about this village this fact might be written. (Greeks have no problem with the etymology of the villages itself. they just like to stop there in their research for the obvious reason.
I think that we the epirots maybe were located somewhere else (peloponese maybe?), the serbs cleared the place ou of albies, and they brought us in. That explains that noone knows: 1) What his last name means 2) What the etymologies of the toponyms are.
Thats real balkan staff you are reading from a balkan "insider" here!!!, you cant find this info by reading books of irrelevant westies who most probbly copied other irrelevant westies or were on paid command.
Surely my thoughts have zero scientific ground, but there cannot be any scientific ground in a place (Epiros) whose history before 1430 is simply erased .
another irrelevant thing:
HAPPY NEW YEAR SRECAN NOVA GODINA LJUDI!
Yesterday we went to a srpska zurka, and we danced a song like waltz (in couples) which my wife told me was nationalistic!!!!! FUNKEN AWESOME!!!!
So it seems like Donnie aka dijedon aka Sookis waited until the fourth page of this thread to open up so that nobody can immediately see the idiocy that he wrote on page 3 (as 'donnie') which led to him discredit himself like the worthless Siptar **** he really is.
Donnie you're too late and you really discreditted yourself with the Sookis thing. The fact that you even made a new account exposes how badly you know you got burned, how strongly it affected you and how desperate you are to try to rectify something that can't be fixed. Too late, vella...too late.
Post your pic if you're not ashamed of your performance. It'll go on your upcomming tribute page.
Emperor AAdmin Administrator member is offline I highly doubt HD cares about karma as he is surely not here on becoming popular. In his world if one doesn't think like him such individual is automatically an enemy and homeland is only homeland for as long as a certain path is followed.
Yes because liberalism, commerce and democracy will make us fat, divisive and selfish like people in the West, which is where f*ggies like you and Novi PAZAR live. Since you're a HOMO who lives in the West voluntarily and seems to like it - then of course you're an enemy of tradition.
The homeland is homeland only when it is traditional and only traditional because commerce liberalism and democracy make us the same everywhere, regardless of race, religion of ethnicity.
Emperor AAdmin Administrator member is offline Thus extremely conditional outlook comparable to a sibling stating to another "I love you only if you are a certain way". Such perception can only drive a certain group of people against each other which is something Serbs have suffered from throughout history and what made them a relatively easy pray for occupiers like Ottomans.
What if the sibling in question is a very permiscuous sister or a gay brother? What happens when your fellow countryman wants to convert to Islam and call himself a Turk to gain social privilege? And who do you think the enemy is going to rely on to control the family, whether the enemy be a pimp, gaylord or Turcin/Siptar? Obviously the degenrate individual. That's who the enemy wants to see get ahead.
Getting rid of the deffective sibling/countryman makes the family/nation stronger not weaker. But if you're a degenerate, then it's imperative that you insisit otherwise, like Aadmin and Novi are so fond of doing.
That some of the biggest Serb-haters on this forum have complemented them is, to their defective (gay) minds, something positive.
Emperor AAdmin Administrator member is offline Thus it is not a healthy outlook but one that is very divisive and thus self-destructive.
Only an ***** would say that allowing a traitor or a deffective to speak his mind about things which he isn't qualified to have an opinion on, actually isn't divisive and self-destructive but promotes cohesion and mutual understanding.
Emperor AAdmin Administrator member is offline I am first and foremost an individual and not a factory product that contains a certain set of rules by which it has to abide by.
Only a child would talk like that. I don't like rules, blah blah blah, me me me! * * * * yourself.
That's why it's good that OLOS like you and Novi are out of the country and not influencing the electoral system back home with your neurotic, extreme individualism. Serbs don't need lonely internet losers like Aadmin and Novi Pazar who go around neurotically censoring people because they're bored with themselves and find that enforcing political correctness gives them a relief from the schizoid agonies of individualism.
Emperor AAdmin Administrator member is offline I am also not on a popularity contest and have enough healthy reasoning to realize that insults drawn are a sign of moral weakness and inability to express one self fully as a civilized human being.
That's because you're the kind of guy who people usually reject and shower with insults so you take an universalist anti-insult stance. Do you insult a Sipatar who wants to wipe out Serbs? No? Even after you've presented evidence in the form of scanned pages from Western, Albanian and Croatian scholars whereas he's posted nothing and still insistes on his unquallified unsupported POV? Is there a point to talking to such a person?
Only if you're a gutless idiot who loves to talk just to hear your own words and not to reach a conclusion that is objectively acceptable. ***** like Novi Pazar and Aadmin fall into that **** category.
Emperor AAdmin Administrator member is offline Why attempt to mimic a cave man behavior at times especially when someone has education (and surely also upbringing, as I fail to believe one was raised as such) unless one can not control the mountain man within.
What does this have to do with cave men or modern steretypes about Uppe Paleolithic men which have no rellevance to actuality?
Emperor AAdmin Administrator member is offline What effective logic can there be within one that attempts to express an idea (often couped with at least some dose of research or reasoning) when foul language is introduced that often conclusively nullifies any desired effect such data might provide.
When the **** you're talking to is just talking to hear his own words and not to reach an objective conclusion - it is time to insult him and mock him and humiliate him.
You don't like insults etc.. because you're most likely to fall into the ***** category I've outlined and become the recipient of harsh words.
Two years ago I humiliated the administrator of this forum, Emperor Aadmin:
Physical Anthropology and Ethnogenesis Refuting & Discrediting 'Zetaman' : Webmaster of Illyria - Land of the lyra
These writings emerged out of my personal dislike of the webmaster for his anti-Serbian political and historical views. 'Zetaman' actually tried to ban me from his forum for proving that the ideas he peddles on his website are obsolete.
These writings were first uploaded to a website I made specifically for this purpose in late 2005. After a campaign of randomly flooding his website for 1 1/2 months (with help from others) and using the forum's Private Messaging system to circumvent the ban he placed on my username and funnel to other forum members the URL of the website where I uploaded the information I gathered, 'Zetaman' eventually saw the futility of trying to prevent the inevitable. He was forced to admit that his racial and ethnic ideas were not credible or based on any published material and to also un-ban me or face another campaign of flooding.
Needless to say: I'm NOT banned from his forum anymore. This research appeared on ILLYRIA FORUMS in late 2005.
Examples of Zetaman’s *******, anti-Serb comments
1. Zetaman manipulated & falsifies Blood Group stats to back his POV
2. Carleton Coon was not the original writer of 'Races of Europe'
3. Selected excerpts concerning Balkan populations from 'Races of Europe'
4. Zetaman confuses terms: 'race' & 'phenotype' and relies on obsolete pre-Synthesis Physical Anthropology
5. Zetaman refuses to confront the fact that 'Races of Europe' calls Montenegrins: 'Albanized Serbs'
6. Zetaman admits to having no published evidence to back up the assertions on his website that Illyrians and Thracians were 'Hellenic'.
Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 14, 2008 23:34:00 GMT -5
Tyson and Candy 4u:
I realise this topic has gone completely off topic, but l won't close this thread because l'm allowing HD to express himself, be it, if his venting his frustation on me or Aadmin or even anyone else. I strongly believe everyone should be given the chance to speak without the fear of getting banished.
So it seems like Donnie aka dijedon aka Sookis waited until the fourth page of this thread to open up so that nobody can immediately see the idiocy that he wrote on page 3 (as 'donnie') which led to him discredit himself like the worthless Siptar **** he really is.
I did not "wait"; as I said, I had something to attend in Denmark. My life does not evolve around you, nor is my priority to discredit you. That is an easy matter.
Donnie you're too late and you really discreditted yourself with the Sookis thing.
What the **** are you talking about? Who is this Sookis? Kanaris, who is an administrator, already checked him. This is what he said;
Some said, that Serbia is a weak state, bla bla bla. All I can tell you is that if *any* other balkan state (from greece up to romania) went with 10 years full of sunctions, settlement of refugees, isolations, *brutal* bombings and destruction of infrastructure.... they would not *massively* travel to Halkidiki, Greece for summer vacations, for sure.
I think the US would not attack Serbia on the ground during the 99 criminal bombing of Serbia. The rumor about 1000+ bodybags ordered for NATO troops, i think, was part of the reasons behind the seize of fire.
If NATO managed a clear win, Kosovo would be independent by now, and NATO bases would be all around Serbia. Look at the radical party: they can have a 30%+ any time? Is that a sign of NATO "controling anything"? Nahhhh
Your wife must be beautiful and charming..... I'm just saying....
HD...Sookis is not Donnie..... I checked.....
So, the only one who's discredited is you. So, idi u ***** ....
The fact that you even made a new account exposes how badly you know you got burned, how strongly it affected you and how desperate you are to try to rectify something that can't be fixed. Too late, vella...too late.
LOL, yeah, I got burned badly and created another account .... hahaah. You're trully paranoid.
Post your pic if you're not ashamed of your performance. It'll go on your upcomming tribute page.
Why, so you can jerk to it? By the way, thanks for sharing your picture. It made me loose further respect for you. Come to think of it, you look like the villain in the movie of "Rob Roy".
Funny ***** ....
Last Edit: Jan 15, 2008 20:01:23 GMT -5 by Novi Pazar
Pyrros: Guys, come the funkety on, covid does not exist. I dont know if this will upset the demons but I had to let it out. Sorry demons.
Jul 1, 2020 13:09:23 GMT -5
Pyrros: Pssst demons, come on you funkers, lit this subaru on fire, I am gonna get a better one
Jul 1, 2020 13:14:27 GMT -5
ulf: "covid does not exist"
Jul 1, 2020 13:39:56 GMT -5
ulf: I got nothing more to add than this:
Jul 1, 2020 13:40:09 GMT -5
branislavnusic: The saxons are suffering the worst so it's a good thing
Jul 1, 2020 14:54:49 GMT -5
Pyrros: I dont know the state of whesto propaganda in Serbia or the amount of real Death the demons have injected into the society, but here in Grekolandia this is supreme royal joke.
Jul 2, 2020 4:08:17 GMT -5
Pyrros: I mean we are one on top of the other like a massive orgy kind of thing, yet, no covid to be found anywhere.
Jul 2, 2020 4:09:06 GMT -5
Pyrros: Also Admin is of the same philosophy : covid does not exist, it is only a spiritual virtual concept not real.
Jul 2, 2020 4:10:51 GMT -5
Pyrros: false-Greeks hate Serbs. Serbs should only go to Bulgaria. The only serious Slavic land in south balkans who respects other Slavs.
Jul 3, 2020 7:30:03 GMT -5
ulf: What should they do? Watch them spread the disease? Don't be ridiculous, they should be graceful they allowed them to go back home. This mans health got worse after few days, now he is in Serbian hospital
Jul 3, 2020 10:11:37 GMT -5
Pyrros: The disease? ok... Anyways this is not the point. The point is Slavs need to get serious. Stop dealing with haters.
Jul 4, 2020 0:12:24 GMT -5