Japodian
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Post by Japodian on Nov 23, 2007 13:40:18 GMT -5
Who will be victorious, serbs, croats or native Bosniaks? What ethno-geographical rearrangements to expect? NATO and Russia would intervene in no time and kick ass since both need stable base in Balkans. After that Bosnia would fully become international colony. I think it is stupid to think about the another war in Bosnia. Come on, weren't those dreadful five years enough for everybody. I think the best way is to stop with war idiocy, stop following what Edo Maajka called the genetics of "balije, ustaše i četinici" and think about the future of the land and the children of Bosnia. There shouldn't be any Bosniaks, Croats or Serbs in Bosnia, only Bosnians. Bosnia doesn't need nationalism, she needs patriotism, and those two thing can be quite distant.
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Post by MiG on Nov 23, 2007 13:55:48 GMT -5
^ Amen to that man.
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Post by BIH General on Nov 23, 2007 19:30:52 GMT -5
NATO and Russia would intervene in no time and kick ass since both need stable base in Balkans. After that Bosnia would fully become international colony.
I think it is stupid to think about the another war in Bosnia. Come on, weren't those dreadful five years enough for everybody.
I think the best way is to stop with war idiocy, stop following what Edo Maajka called the genetics of "balije, ustaše i četinici" and think about the future of the land and the children of Bosnia. There shouldn't be any Bosniaks, Croats or Serbs in Bosnia, only Bosnians. Bosnia doesn't need nationalism, she needs patriotism, and those two thing can be quite distant.
Although I think right now that NATO would intervene (f*** Russia) but not in the future
History repeats itself, Edo is right (btw he is agaisnt nationalism and for patriotsim) that we are like that
Bosnian are patriots but the Bosnian Serb and Bosnian Croats are not, they are nationalists and will never let that go
Bosnians want revenge for what happened and Serbs want land
example) when Mexico gets stronger militarily than the US it will want its land bakc that the US took and attack the US
Edo is right again history in the Balkans repeats, tragically
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Post by theblackswans on Nov 23, 2007 19:56:42 GMT -5
Who will be victorious, serbs, croats or native Bosniaks? What ethno-geographical rearrangements to expect? NATO and Russia would intervene in no time and kick ass since both need stable base in Balkans. After that Bosnia would fully become international colony. I think it is stupid to think about the another war in Bosnia. Come on, weren't those dreadful five years enough for everybody. I think the best way is to stop with war idiocy, stop following what Edo Maajka called the genetics of "balije, ustaše i četinici" and think about the future of the land and the children of Bosnia. There shouldn't be any Bosniaks, Croats or Serbs in Bosnia, only Bosnians. Bosnia doesn't need nationalism, she needs patriotism, and those two thing can be quite distant. You are my hero... Well put, I wish BiH had some more politicians who believed the same.
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Post by zgembo on Nov 24, 2007 6:08:06 GMT -5
Who will be victorious, serbs, croats or native Bosniaks? What ethno-geographical rearrangements to expect? NATO and Russia would intervene in no time and kick ass since both need stable base in Balkans. After that Bosnia would fully become international colony. I think it is stupid to think about the another war in Bosnia. Come on, weren't those dreadful five years enough for everybody. I think the best way is to stop with war idiocy, stop following what Edo Maajka called the genetics of "balije, ustaše i četinici" and think about the future of the land and the children of Bosnia. There shouldn't be any Bosniaks, Croats or Serbs in Bosnia, only Bosnians. Bosnia doesn't need nationalism, she needs patriotism, and those two thing can be quite distant. Yeah, and there should have been only Yugoslavians at one point, but we saw how that worked out. The only future for Bosnia is self-determination for its nations. When everybody rules themselves, instead of sharing power, we can learn to live as neighbours. At the present time, we cannot even live as neighbours, yet we are forced to live in the same house.
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Post by zgembo on Nov 24, 2007 6:13:12 GMT -5
Japodian, dok si vec u Zagrebu, popuj Hrvatima kako trebaju da se osjecaju ko Jugosloveni, a postedi Bosanske Srbe te retorike koja ide u korist samo Muslimanskim nacionalistima. Niko nije htjeo biti Jugosloven, ali zato bi Srbi sad trebali da budu Bosanci ili u tvom slucaju Hrvati.
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Post by srbobran on Nov 24, 2007 11:51:03 GMT -5
Well done, Mapko. I agree with you completely.
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Post by Japodian on Nov 24, 2007 13:14:50 GMT -5
Japodian, dok si vec u Zagrebu, popuj Hrvatima kako trebaju da se osjecaju ko Jugosloveni, a postedi Bosanske Srbe te retorike koja ide u korist samo Muslimanskim nacionalistima. Niko nije htjeo biti Jugosloven, ali zato bi Srbi sad trebali da budu Bosanci ili u tvom slucaju Hrvati. Marko pričaš sa čovjekom koji je po ocu Bosanski Srbin i koji vjerujem ima više veze sa Bosnom i statusom bosanskih Srba nego ti. Moja retorika ne ide niti jednim nacionalistima, zapravo smeta svim nacionalistima, bilo Bošnjačkim, Srpskim ili Hrvatskim. Moja retorika u ovom slučaju nije niti Bošnjačka, niti Srpska, niti Hrvatska, nego Bosanska. Zato što su prokleti političari uništili svijest o pripadnosti jednoj regiji, jer kroz cjelu povijest ti ljudi bez obzira na narodnost koja je bila hrvatska, srpska ili bošnjačka su uvijek prvo bili Bosanci, čemu mogu svjedočiti od svoje bosanske strane familije, mene nije briga. Ta svijest o regiji i sada državi jedini je izlaz iz ovog stanja. To kasapljenje Bosne u umovima nekih ljudi mi više liči na neku bolest. Molim te reci što su srpski nacionalisti učinili poštenim hrvatskim i bosanskim Srbima osim im zabili nož u leđa i naveli veliki bijes na njih. Srbi su u Hrvatskoj činili 12% stanovništva, sada čine jedva 5%, dok se bosanske Srbe se u svijetu gleda kao zvijeri i zločince. Molim te objasni mi tko nam je to priskrbio, ja i dosta poštenih hrvatskih i bosanskih Srba svojim djelovanjem sigurno nismo. Objasni nam tko nam je to priskrbio nego radikalni nacionalisti koji k....ca pojma nemaju kako je ljudima u Zagrebu, Glini, Petrinji, Dvoru, Bosanskom Novom/Novom gradu, Prijedoru, Banja Luci, ali bitno da seru svoje bolesne ideje o velikim stupovima srpstva koje imaju samo smisla na odjelu psihijatrije... Mislim da ti nikad nisi bio proganjan samo zbog toga što ti je otac Srbin, ja jesam, pa se stoga smatram prozvanim izraziti svoju kritiku društva. I zato mi je pun kufer nacionalista koji su mi dovoljno oglodali život. To da nitko nije htio biti Jugoslaven je samo tvoj osobni doživljaj, pa te molim nemoj generalizirati. Bilo je dosta ljudi, pogotovo Srba u Hrvatskoj i Bosanaca koji su se osjećali Jugoslovenima. I pored toga kome ću ja popovati je moja stvar i moje ljudsko pravo. I u Hrvatskoj imam stav u kojem se strogo zalažem za ideju građanske, a ne samo narodnosne države. Također ako ćemo po tvojoj logici, jedini ljudi kojima ti možeš popovati su Kanađani!
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Post by Japodian on Nov 24, 2007 13:45:24 GMT -5
A što se tiče samoodređenja, to mi je čini se najdraži adut bilo kojeg nacionalista sa maticom zemljom. Molim te objasni zašto onda nije O.K. dati samoodređenje Albancima na Kosovu, a O.K. je dati Srbima u BiH? Ja mislim da se to zovu dvostruki standardi, a ne samoodređenje.
Drugo Bosanac nije nametnuta stvar ljudima, reći da si Bosanac je svjedočenje jedne regije i države staro 1200 godina najmanje, tako da ti uspoređivanje sa Jugoslavijom uopće ne stoji. Bosanac se nije bilo zbog narodne prisile nego identifikacije sa posebnom regijom koja tokom cijele svoje povijesti se nije htjela pokoriti niti Hrvatskoj niti Srbiji bez obzira što su te narodnosti u dosta velikom broju živile tamo.
Ljudima nije nametnuto da se osjećaju Bosancima, naprotiv od 1992. nametnuto im je da se ne osjećaju Bosancima.
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Post by zgembo on Nov 27, 2007 1:54:45 GMT -5
Meni najvise smeta sto ti jesi po ocu Srbin i tako pricas. Na kratko cu odgovoriti samo sporne tacke:
- Ne branim samoodredjenje Albancima ako bi Srbi u Bosni dobili isto pravo. - Kako nije Bosna nametnua kad 99% Srba se joj protivilo 1992, pa isto tako i danas? - Tvoja retorika jeste Bosnjacka, a ti je ili pokvareno ili samo naivno siris kad kazes da je Bosanska. Bosanski i Bosnjacki nacionalizam idu uz ruku, slicno kao sto je (moze se reci) Srpski nacionalizam isao uz Jugoslovenski (koji Srpski nacionalista nije htjeo da ocuva YU, i koji Bosnjacki nacionalista nece danas da ocuva BiH?) - Srpski nacionalizam, kao svaki, ima ekstreme koji su isplivali tokom poslednjih ratova, ali to neznaci da je ekstremni nacionalizam opio sve Srbe. Zelja da se ocuva Jugoslavija, da se postuje Avnojski kompromis, strah Hrvatskog i Muslimanskog nacionalizma su bila legitimna osjecanja Bosanskih i Hrvatskih Srba. To sto je ekstremni nacionalizam prevladao u nekim situacijima ne osudjuje sto je skoro svaki Bos/Hrv legitimno trazio.
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Post by avenger on Nov 27, 2007 17:47:13 GMT -5
War in Bosnia would be a tragic thing . It would only prove the impudence of American foreign policy in that region which has failed to develope a lasting model of democracy and peace in that country .
More tragically it would involve the senseless killing of the peoples of Bosnia which will achieve nothing at the end save bloodshed and more bitterness .
From what I understand Bosnia isn't all that different from Iraq . It is a country of primarly three ethno-religious groups that coexist in an unstable union . Foreign policy should be determined with the interests of all of Bosnia's peoples in mind and not just one or two groups .
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Post by Anthologic on Nov 27, 2007 21:05:22 GMT -5
Newsflash, America never intended on keeping peace in the Balkans. www.ied.info/books/why/yugoslavia.htmlI also cannot find the info on the secret funding of the USA to Yugoslavia, but they intended on ending in with only several month's notice i order to cause the economy to collapse.
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