Hello to my Hungarian friends!
I m from Bulgaria, nice to meet all of u!
Now to the question:
Did the Bulgars (or the protobulgarians) and the protohungarians related? I know they were both part of the avar haganate.
Who do the hungarians think were their ansestors mainly? How did u keep the asian language? Is it turcik language? Which people did the hungarians assimilated through the centuries? Is it true that u re related to the Finns (and I ve heard there is a connection to the Turks also)? How did u manage to keep your language (were there any books written in Magar and when?) You were catholics through all your history. Did this help to save the language? Who lived in the teritory before u came? Do u think they contributed to the hungarian nation (genetically)? Tnx in advance! I know Bulgaria and Hungary has had good relations throughout their hystory
. Tnx in advance
Hello hello,
I personally wouldnt be suprised. I have read some scholars believe it was from Turkic Bulgars that Hungarians aquired the Turkic words in Hungarian language. Also maybe we assimilated many Bulgars through the Onogur connection.
I have read something about a historical Bulgar character Chieftan called Almysh the name sounds similiar to the Hungarian historical Chieftan Almos.
Well it has been written that its somewhat of a mystery as to the absolute origins of the Magyars.
Otherwise I can tell you there are a few differing points of view,
for example whats sometimes called the Turanian theory looks to the old folk legends and suggests that Hungarians are descended from the Huns,Scythians, and Alans, although there are other suggestions of possible relation to other Asiatic/Turkic peoples such as the Ugyur.
The modern most popular theory is the Finno-Ugric which holds that
Hungarians are the descendants of a very ancients breakawat Uralic
tribe that later intermixed or lived very close to Turkic and Iranian peoples and was influenced by both.
Then there is the Sumerian theory that Hungarians are th descendants of Sumerians.
Personally I think there is some truth in most of these ideas although the Sumerian idea sounds rather fanciful but even then supposedly Hungarian has been used to decode Sumerian writings but even so it sounds like a long bow.
Despite evrything Ive heard and read on the subject which has been a lot I still feel personally mystified as to whom exactly the very first
Magyar people were as soon as I would go with one idea I find it possible to consider other possibilities there is room for this range of speculation within the subject.
I do believe in the idea of the Hungarian ethnogenesis so therefore
I believe and accept there were a number of elements...Uralic,Scythian/Turanian/Hunnic/Turkic/,Iranian-Sumerian?
/Alan/Sarmation/SakaUraka/Sabir... then of course the final layers within Karpat medenc region..Neo Danubian etc.
It is quite an amazing thing that more than 10 million people still speaking Hungarian in the world today.
Firstly I think that those Historians usally anti Hungarian historians who try to estimate Hungarians were as low as only 25,000 when they entered Carpathians surely must be wrong and rather the Scholars who estimate the Hungarian treibes were between 200,000 to 400,000 are more correct. There must have been a significant number of Hungarian speaking people to uphold the language amongst all the other foreign speaking peoples that surrounded and some who assimilated into Hungarian community.
Hungarian is a unique language that is not very close to any known living language and not mutually intelligble with any other language even supposed closely related languages are not comprehensible to Hungarian vice versa.
It depends what you mean by Asian and depends what you mean by Turkic. Even in Britain it was normal to even call Indian people as being Asian but I suppose if the Hungarian language did originate in central Asia perhaps it could be called Asian,but did it originate in Central Asia eeeem not sure but maybe, its not considered to be related to typical Asian languages like Chinese etc though there have been theorist trying to connect Hungarian somehow with nearly every language including Japanese and Korean again thats a long bow.
One interesting theory is the Urlal-Altaic idea, this suggests that Hungarian is very ancient language that was like a precursor to what became the Altaic and Uralic language groups in other words that Hungarian is in fact the Mother language to what would become the Turkic languages and the Urlic languages. I think the Hungarian Scholar Fred Hamori subscribes to this view.
There are definitly elements of Turkic in Hungarian .
En/Ben
Van/Var
Alma/Elma
but is there enough to call it a Turkic languge well I dont know about that perhaps we can call it a part Turkic language and or perhaps there is some truth in Ural-Altaic theory. Hungarian is not comprehensible to any Turkic or Uralic language but mainly because botyhe languages are agglutinitive its considered Hungarian could learn either language reasonably easily.
All of the eastern peoples I mentioned above and then once in Carpathian Basin mostly Neo Danubian Slavs
then later Kuns/Cumans, and Jasz/Iranian people, Germanics and various other European peoples.
Well I have seen data that say Finns have about 25%-30% Neo Danubian genetic type and Hungarians have approx 35% Neo Danubian ... so maybe can say at that point some physical genetic similiarity as for historical relatedness I dont know the Finns were a different group to the Uralics I believe. Hungarians have between 20% to 25% Turanian genetic type so in this way they maybe related to cerain Turkic peoples.
*Neo Danubian means Baltic Slav.
*Turanian refers to region that encompassed the steppe and where lived many Turkic and Iranian and Scythian peoples inhabiting that area.
I think first known Hungarian manuscript was around 12th century
but there was earlier use of Hungarian own Runic alphabet much information was lost about the old Runic alphabet when Hungarians converted to Christianity under King Stephen.
I think it politically probably helped to secure the nation and ensure the Kingdom so through that perhaps yes. But as I said certain things was lost eg old Hungarian alphabet/writing system.
Mostly Slavs there is much liguistic/toponomy eveidence for this.
Yes of course they did.
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