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Post by depletedreasons on May 13, 2008 4:44:03 GMT -5
Another Macedonian victim of Greek hysteria (update) 27 year old Macedonian S. D. is the newest victim in Greece. He was forcibly stopped near Larissa, similarly to the three Macedonian truckers two days ago. S.D. was physically attacked and maltreated by 30 Greeks. The Greeks took his documents and pulled out knives threatening and telling him to remove the "MK" insignia from the back of his truck. "They were purposely asking me where I am from, so I would say Macedonia. Two of the older Greeks wanted to attack me, but I backed down a little bit." says S.D. Similar to previous Larissa incident, there were Greek police officers who stood on the side and watched. In three days, the 27 year old Macedonian from Strumica is the sixth victim to be maltreated because they are Macedonians. According to Macedonian Diplomats, Mr. Karagaferis, from the Greek Ultranationalist party is behind the attacks. His people are watching the St Mary border crossing for Macedonian truckers. Once they cross the border, truck(s) are picked and the information is relayed to 30-50 hired thugs who attack the truckers. Trucks are stopped and attacked in same area in Greece, which is in indication everything is coordinated and not isolated as Erwan Fouere of the EU Office in Skopje claimed earlier today. macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/1368/1/
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Post by Kassandros on May 14, 2008 15:23:22 GMT -5
As far as Fyromians keep coming with MK insignia in Macedonia and isult the Macedonians.. we gonna have more incidents. Its like a Nazi visits Israel with a Svastika in his car..
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 14, 2008 20:05:30 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Rhezus on May 21, 2008 14:41:08 GMT -5
Shame on you Greek.. These ppl are from Rep. of Macedonia - what more do you want?
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 21, 2008 16:03:15 GMT -5
Pure propaganda. The only Macedonians that exist are Greeks. Rhezus? ?
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Post by Rhezus on May 21, 2008 17:39:36 GMT -5
In your dreams.. maybe all they are supermen?!
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Post by pagane on May 21, 2008 18:16:39 GMT -5
Rhezus, stop this.
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Post by philopoemen81 on May 21, 2008 21:24:46 GMT -5
I am all for FYROM choosing a different name... but if you think pulling over a working guy driving a truck with the MK on it and pulling a knife on him- then this is truly Balkan mania.
the Nazis exterminated 6 million jews. How is that like what FYROM did to Greece?
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Post by MiG on May 22, 2008 0:11:59 GMT -5
I don't understand why they are attacking hard working innocent people. If the Greeks have major issues about it, take it to higher courts in the UN. Innocent workers like that shouldn't be attacked. It's senseless and pointless, and proves only the point that the Greek Civilization has actually gone backwards from ancient times in respect to civil order.
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Post by Kassandros on May 22, 2008 2:27:00 GMT -5
philopoemen81 "the Nazis exterminated 6 million jews. How is that like what FYROM did to Greece?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fyromians exterminated also many Macedonians during the Macedonian Struggle and during the WW2. Ok, the volume is not big, but the memories are still alive when you see someone demonstrating his marks in the same area in a huliating way for local population. That shows lack of respect as a visitor.
Also, just 2-3 destroyes insignias is not the worst thing it could happen. It was a very mild attack. Lets say just a warning for their future trips.
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Post by Kassandros on May 22, 2008 2:32:01 GMT -5
MiG "I don't understand why they are attacking hard working innocent people." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hard working and innocent truck drivers just do their job; drive and carry stuff. When they do things innapropriate with their job, like take off the sticks of Greek customs over the insignia MK or carrying and demonstrating flags in a nationalistic sickness... then we dont speak just for hard working and innocent truck drivers. Then we speak about provoking and nationalists truck drivers.
Their description from you is not very fair for the real hard working innocent truck drivers who just do their jobs. Attacking to 3 track drivers out of the 1000 Fyromian drivers that drive in the Greek highways... means something for those 3. They were looking for it... and they found it. It was their choice to deal with other stuff except from driving and carrying goods.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 23, 2008 7:19:04 GMT -5
# dig mk
; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> mk ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24108 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;mk. IN A
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: mk. 3516 IN SOA kitka.marnet.net.mk. dnsmaster.marnet.net.mk. 2008052307 28800 7200 604800 3600
;; Query time: 0 msec ;; SERVER: 10.9.200.3#53(10.9.200.3) ;; WHEN: Fri May 23 15:16:09 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 83
The above command shows the .MK 1st level domain DNS servers.
# dig kitka.marnet.net.mk
; <<>> DiG 9.3.4-P1 <<>> kitka.marnet.net.mk ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 44453 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;kitka.marnet.net.mk. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION: kitka.marnet.net.mk. 3368 IN A 194.149.131.2
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: marnet.net.mk. 3368 IN NS bogomil.soros.org.mk. marnet.net.mk. 3368 IN NS kitka.marnet.net.mk.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: bogomil.soros.org.mk. 368 IN A 212.120.1.45
;; Query time: 1 msec ;; SERVER: 10.9.200.3#53(10.9.200.3) ;; WHEN: Fri May 23 15:17:35 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 115
The above code queries for kitka.marnet.net.mk, where we find that behind marnet.net.mk (i guess the main fyromak net provider) is soros!!
WTF?
Also, why the MK code is allowed as fyrom 1st level domain?
That said, i wanna note that our behavior resembles more to the behavior of the weak than the behavior of the strong.
In Fyrom, they (fyromak officers) recognize the fact that we dont recognize them. (and they give us those little forms to complete).
Why, dont we do the same, inside our borders? Letting stray crowds of wild people "handle" international matters is crazy and dangerous.
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Post by Rhezus on May 23, 2008 11:49:32 GMT -5
Stop what?! I'm cool, compaired to some...
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Post by Toskaliku on May 23, 2008 12:34:06 GMT -5
Im not sure anyone can excuse this. The guy cant do much about getting a license plate that shows a specific sign and Im sure Greek politicians are shaking their heads at such events, its only making the Greek position look bad.
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Post by tsompanos on May 23, 2008 12:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by Kassandros on May 23, 2008 14:49:38 GMT -5
Very interesting video tsompane. They're doing the same to the 200,000 Greeks living in South Fyrom. My best's friend half family still lives there and they're hiding their Greekness. They just say they're Vlachs to be treated in a nice way and they feel free to declare their Hellenic ID only when they enter the Greek borders to see the rest of the family. They have just added a -ov at the end of their last name so as to keep working in public sector. They just wait until the day Fyrom enters EU to expose themselves and have a political party to represent them. For the time being they dont even think about creating a political party expressing real Macedonians or whoever has the Hellenic ID deep in his heart. They will suffer the worst if someone comes up with an idea like this.
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Post by Rhezus on May 23, 2008 15:38:01 GMT -5
Are you kidding me... or it's just a lie?! The ending -ov is the worst to choose , according to that video. They'll be treated as Bulgarians then and will be "hatet" even more.
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Post by Kassandros on May 24, 2008 1:54:57 GMT -5
The generation before them added it. His grandfather. Now it just continoues. The sure thing is, they just using it for so many years as a family but they have never adopted it inside their minds. They know it is something fake and someday they gonna get rid of it. For the time being they declare Vlach nationality Fyromian politicians are doing whatever comes in their hands to promote that Vlach nationality among the minoritans. They have even create a National Day for Vlachs www.idividi.com.mk/English/444388/index.htmlAs far as nobody declares Greek... they can even create a National Day for Eskimos, Guadalepians, Aboriginals, Gibraltarians etc lol lol
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Post by Kassandros on May 24, 2008 2:00:53 GMT -5
"They'll be treated as Bulgarians then and will be "hatet" even more." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They hate Greek locals there even more than Buglarians. It is the worst thing for them to have a real Macedonian inside their country when you try to convice they world that they're the Macedonians So... a new Nationality like a Vlach! one is perfect for them The only reason Bulgarians suffer more now is because Bulgarians are too many, you can see them everywhere and they declare Bulgarians. Greeks are few and they have their mouths shut (except some 20-30 people who speak openly and bare the consequences). They just wait for the country to enter EU.
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Post by terroreign on May 24, 2008 3:29:51 GMT -5
And all the Slav Macedonians living in Thessaloniki can't self-identitfy how they truely feel, as macedonians, so they suffer the same fate as the Bulgars and Greeks in Makedonija.
Whats new?
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