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Post by depletedreasons on May 26, 2008 2:04:49 GMT -5
Thousands of Macedonians march in Melbourne Thousands of Macedonian Australians have marched through Melbourne demanding the federal government formally recognise Macedonia's constitutional name. Protesters turned out at the city's Carlton Gardens for a rally before the crowd marched to the Victorian Parliament. Rally spokesman Jordan Gruev said the Australian government had failed to recognise the Republic of Macedonia in its own right, adding that references such as "former Yugoslavia" and "Slav-Macedonians" were insulting, derogatory and "an abuse of our human rights". "(Prime Minister) Kevin Rudd and his foreign minister (Stephen Smith) can stand up to China, a modern superpower, and confront it over the Tibet issue, he can stand up for the East Timorese and he can stand up to the Burmese authorities but he can't stand up for Macedonia," Mr Gruev said. "Referring to our people as 'Slav-Macedonians' is insulting and derogatory. It's time the Australian government reversed its outdated and unfair foreign policy towards the Republic of Macedonia." Mr Gruev said many Macedonians who held Australian citizenship had also been denied entry to their birthplace by Greece, despite travelling on Australian passports. Protest organisers also urged Mr Rudd to encourage the Greek government to follow the prime minister's example in saying sorry to Australia's Aborigines and apologise to indigenous Macedonians in Greece whose human rights had been violated. "We have human rights too and we should be allowed to visit our birthplace if we want," Mr Gruev added. "This protest will go on until there is change - we will never waver." concluded Jordan. The Republic of Macedonia is involved in a naming dispute imposed by Greece. Macedonia has been recognized under its constitutional name by more than 120 countries. macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/1533/1/
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Post by Rhezus on May 26, 2008 7:06:37 GMT -5
That's really violating the human rights. Hope the whole World soon knows what's going on out there - in the so called "craddle of Civilisation", Greece...
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Post by peccafly on May 26, 2008 8:55:42 GMT -5
what tha fucc.... if thats true, it s nothin but what we call discrimination.
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Post by depletedreasons on May 27, 2008 1:52:33 GMT -5
Australia must comply with the demands of the Macedonians.
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Post by pagane on May 27, 2008 10:03:17 GMT -5
Of course. Turkey must comply with the demands of the Kurds, too.
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Post by iskender on May 27, 2008 11:30:42 GMT -5
respect to Macedonians in Melbourne
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 27, 2008 12:10:31 GMT -5
Iskender, Boy what have they taught you in history??? It is good for us that the Turks and Fyromaks are so dumb AND getting dumber everyday. Only stupid people are breeding.
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Post by Panos on May 28, 2008 0:03:28 GMT -5
Fortunately, these people & the other extremists within the Government wield about as much power as Christopher Reeve's calf muscles.
Nationalists make me sick, stupid people.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 28, 2008 7:11:44 GMT -5
"Referring to our people as 'Slav-Macedonians' is insulting and derogatory."
Yes they are slavs and they are NOT macedonians, l find it deeply embrassing that they *even* refer them as Slav Macedonians.
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Post by benkovski on May 28, 2008 21:58:31 GMT -5
To be a Slav is merely a linguistic designation, not an ethnic one. All peoples who speak a language, or a dialect, that falls in the category of Indo-European Slavic Languages are Slavs.
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Post by terroreign on May 28, 2008 22:03:37 GMT -5
^Exactly, so by ethnicity they're Macedonian.
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Post by benkovski on May 28, 2008 22:10:57 GMT -5
Yeah nowwa days Macedonian could be looked as an ethnicity, however, this ethnicity came into existence in 1945. Furthermore, if you choose to view the designation of being Macedonian as an ethnic and not a regional one, you should note that it has nothing to do with the ancient Macedonians. Today’s ethnic Macedonians are yesterdays ethnic Bulgarians.
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Post by terroreign on May 28, 2008 22:13:59 GMT -5
^Okay, and the Bulgarian ethnicity came into existence during the dark ages
So then today's ethnic Bulgarians are yesterdays steppe-turks
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Post by benkovski on May 28, 2008 22:31:29 GMT -5
Steppe-Turks eh? So I guess you are not entirely without knowledge, but you do seem to be missing large pieces of information. I’m beginning to think that this is so by your own choice, since you strike me as someone who doesn’t discuss history for the sake of interest, but rather for the sake of instigating badly formed arguments.
Anyway, I’ll address your partial conclusion. Contemporary scholars are moving toward deciphering much of the truths hidden by communism. Bulgars, like Croats, and possibly Serbs as well are of Sarmatian origin with Scythian influences. It is known, however, that the Bulgars were defeated by the Gokturks, sometime after the disintegration of the Hunnic federation of tribes, and a large part of Bulgars were incorporated into their empire. Hence, there is a Turkic influence in the Bulgars, but it’s mostly linguistic.
Here is another interesting fact that I’m sure you are unaware of. In recorded history, the term Bulgars appears a couple of centuries before the term Turkic.
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Post by terroreign on May 28, 2008 22:41:38 GMT -5
I discuss seriously topics I'm interested in, but for the most part I dont take balkan-conflicts seriously anymore.
A sarmatian language has been found? Or maybe elements of a Sarmatian culture in common with Bulgars, Serbs and Croats?
I'd say more than that.
That's interesting, because the word Bulgar is a turkic word
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Post by depletedreasons on May 29, 2008 5:49:21 GMT -5
Australian MP brings up Macedonia in Parliament Liberal Party deputy Luke Simpkins referred at a session of the Australian Parliament to the official position of his country towards the naming of the Republic of Macedonia and Macedonians living in Australia, MINA reports from Perth. Simpkins stressed that the current Australian stance on naming the Republic of Macedonia and the Australian citizens of Macedonian descent is insulting and abusive, and asked MPs how they would feel like if terms such as "Former British Colonies of Australia" or "Anglo-Saxon Australians" were used to name their country and its people. He claimed there was no other case of racial discrimination of an community in Australia as the one of Macedonians, asking the Australian Government to follow the example of other countries, who address the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name in bilateral relations, whereas Australian citizens of Macedonian descent to be officially named Macedonians. Macedonia's Ambassador to Canberra Viktor Gaber met Wednesday with MP Simpkins, thanking him for the public treatment of the issue. Interlocutors exchanged opinions on future activities of the Parliamentary Friendship Group with the Republic of Macedonia, where Simkinks acts as vice-chairman. macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/1592/1/
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Post by benkovski on Jun 8, 2008 2:52:28 GMT -5
Toro, the more you write the more you show your ignorance. There is no physical evidence or early demographic statistics on what the proportion of Turkic vs Sarmatian blood is in Bulgarians. What is known, however, is the fact that all theories that designate the ancient Bulgarians as Turkic peoples are based on the findings of some ten words or so that were supposed to be of Turkic origin. With regards to the term Bulgar, it is speculated that one of its meanings could be derived from a Turkic language, however, there are another two or three similar speculations that claim no affiliation with Turkic. And, as I mentioned earlier, the term Bulgarian appears in chronographs some two centuries before the term Turk.
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