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Post by whatever on Jun 6, 2008 19:38:30 GMT -5
lol you think angelina is mullatto?
Maybe you should re-read my post. It states 'Many of our alb members are idiots.' meaning the jackasses in here that are of albanian origin....because that's all we here about...how 'superior' you are to everyone else.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 6, 2008 21:49:15 GMT -5
...guys, do not fight over the "superiority" of race because there is no one like Anglo-Sacons who think they are superior to every one in the world...just think, in Washington I guess, they built the Shakespeare's museum as opposed to the immigrants (Russians, Romanians, Italians) when they started arriving in USA. Just think: comparing Anglo-Sacon culture with the Russian Culture! So, there are two different issues in here: 1. superiority of race 2. superiority of culture
A superior race is always considered the white race, with blond hair and blue eyes (and I would appreciate if someone could give me an answer why) but this is disconnected to the superiority of culture;
Today, a superior race is the one that possesses: the superiority of race (Anglo-Sacons); and the Economic superiority.
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Post by raynon on Jun 6, 2008 22:22:20 GMT -5
No one is fighting anyone over race or culture superiority. Evagr seems to be battling windmills with these 'hateful enemies', all existing in her imagination. What Evagr shows us is the dominant fear she holds deep inside her subconscious, of exposing a hidden secret perception and acceptance of her own inferiority because, what the parents taught early in Evagr's life of 'marrying outside' of the group/tribe will only begin the desecration and disintegration of the pure 'Greek' family- tribal bloodline.( Which she has obviously accomplished successfully. )
Oh!! I guess the revelation of her deep secret occurred in the first sentence of her first message in this thread she decided to create. What Evagr seems to miss and what everyone else simply accepts as natural to all people is that if you live in FEAR and let Fear run your life, you will create topics of conversation as this one. To try to focus energy and attention on other people and make them out to be the enemy and the one to fear.
In the end, all Evagr succeeds in doing is enlightening everyone, who reads her messages, that Evagr lives in the dark side of her mind and heart. She lives in fear and fear guides her decisions. If you let fear run your life then, then enlightenment about yourself escapes you.
She has many many dimensions to cross and lessons to learn before she attains a thumbnail's fill of enlightenment about herself and her place in her 'Greek' tribal family.
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Post by raynon on Jun 6, 2008 22:44:39 GMT -5
lol you think angelina is mullatto? All of us are mullattos, if you believe we came from Lucy or Adam and Eve. Maybe you should re-read my post. It states 'Many of our alb members are idiots.' meaning the jackasses in here that are of albanian origin....because that's all we here about...how 'superior' you are to everyone else. We each see, read, hear, believe what we intend to see read hear believe. Messages here only expose a quality of its author. Yours, however, only exposes how inferior and inadequate you feel to those you claim to be your hateful/idiot/jackass/ Albanians. No Albanian, and no person in their right mind would develop an opinion about someone without meeting them in person. I believe Albanians have no opinion about you or anyone on these boards. But we all get a glimpse of how you see yourself and how you treat yourself. And, that, my friend, is reflected in how the people in your life, treat you. Including some here, you choose to value their messages and views of you.
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Post by Panos on Jun 7, 2008 0:58:55 GMT -5
Uhh what do you call that little mulatto put on display for us to laugh at? You are the stupid one. 1) Greeks are a nation but all true Greeks are white. So yes, there is a Greek race. 2) Greek DNA may not exist, but white haplogroups within Greek DNA do. 3) If you mean that there is a lot of variation within caucasians then you are correct. But, if you are insinuating that the genetic difference between caucasians and australian aboriginees is is higher than 2 white Italians then you are wrong. Race is important, Race does exist, closing your eyes and wishing it wouldn't is just ignoring reality. You are a fool of epic proportions. Race does not exist. Dr Francis Collins, one of the leaders of the Human Genome Project has proven race doesn't exist. Only morons and those with a hidden agenda believe in race still. Believing in race is equal to believing we live on a flat disc, instead of a sphere.
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 7, 2008 1:39:39 GMT -5
...guys, do not fight over the "superiority" of race because there is no one like Anglo-Sacons who think they are superior to every one in the world...just think, in Washington I guess, they built the Shakespeare's museum as opposed to the immigrants (Russians, Romanians, Italians) when they started arriving in USA. Just think: comparing Anglo-Sacon culture with the Russian Culture! So, there are two different issues in here: 1. superiority of race 2. superiority of culture A superior race is always considered the white race, with blond hair and blue eyes (and I would appreciate if someone could give me an answer why) but this is disconnected to the superiority of culture; Today, a superior race is the one that possesses: the superiority of race (Anglo-Sacons); and the Economic superiority. Sorry, but Evagr1 has a point some of the Albanians need to wake up... There is no such thing as a 'superior race' this bullshit started in the 19th century (Read some of the very old Anthropology books). They where usually politically motivated. For example the Nazi's claimed that they where pure Aryans and the pure Aryan was of Nordic appearance, this is stupid because Aryan/ Indo - European was just a language group and we have no idea where they came from or what they looked like. By creating the Aryan theory they even tried claiming ancient civilizations like Greece, Rome, Egypt, Libya, Persia and even Tibet and the south American civilizations (All these people where far from Nordic). The French in the 19th century tried the exact same thing but instead replaced the Nordic with a brachycephalic race, even the Italians created a 'Great Mediterranean Race' in reprisal to counter the northern European propaganda, just recently the American Negroids are claiming Negroid Supremacy, again politically motivated, they try to claim that the Libyans and Egyptians where a black race, which again they where not they where Mediterranean. Its always the 'weaker' or more stupid people that create racism to fill in the gap inside themselves.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 7, 2008 2:32:52 GMT -5
And you are trying to have a point Greek 1234...but no matter how hard you and others try, the matter of race' superiority is not a new theory, but a very old theory. The new theory is the so-called diversity, which recently (recent years mostly), started spreading mostly through USA and other European countries when immigrants from Africa, Asia, India, etc, (non-European) were dominating the Europe and USA. At this point, the counter theory "diversity" spurred as antipode of the theory super race ;
Both theories if exaggerated bring negative consequences (recall Hitler), but no one can deny the fact that the human mind is inclined towards the beauty and in the Aesthetic eye of a European and an Anglo-Sacon, the white face is superior to the African or Asiatic one! It is not bias, nor to show supremacy; it is simply...natural...the modern theories which try to equalize people (due to globalisms), fail to understand that the "equality" theory of no "super race', serves as a therapy for the poor souls who are not white, but white needs them...is the modern discrimination, that sometimes I compare to that beautiful smile of the customer service in the Bank, who is forced to smile me, with hypocrisy, only because needs me, and not because really feels the necessity to smile at me. Therefore, the theory of "equality" of races and "no superiority" is something that the "inferiors" should believe, and....the "superiors" should pretend they believe it and pretend they are not pretending but really believe that the Anglo-Sacon is equal to the African..otherwise, how can you explain the low number of marriages among different races?
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Post by yahadj on Jun 7, 2008 2:58:34 GMT -5
There is no superiority of any race. All us come from the same ancestors. Whites tend to claim superiority because they are the masters of the material power. But look at the ways they employ in order to achieve it. They would use any MEANS to achieve the goal. Other races failed mostly because they preferred not to transgress certain limits. In other words they didn't feel it was OK to use any means (murders, stealing, raw force) in order to dominate others. And most importantly they didn't have the ambitions to dominate over all other races... So whites were the greediest. What a superiority...
PEACE
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 7, 2008 3:26:51 GMT -5
Load of bulls**t.... There is no 'superior race' or 'pure race' everyone has mixed so in other words there are no pure Albanians like some racist Albanians like to think. Here i'll give you an example: I can easily say that the brunet Mediterraneans are superior to the other races of the wolrd. The first people to create a civilization where the Summerians/ Babylonians. The first true empire on earth was the Persian empire. The Phoenicians where the first maritime traders who travelled passed the pillars of Hercules to Britain and South Africa. The people who built the stonehenge where of Mediterranean stock. The Egyptians who built the Pyramids where also of Mediterranean stock and so where the Libyans. The Arabs and Jews created the world religions (Christiantity, Islam and Judiasm). The Greeks and Romans created 'Western Civilization' and various arts such as Rhetoric and Philosophy, they where both of Mediterranean stock. Because of this should i segregate Albanians becuase they look different to me? I don't think so.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 7, 2008 3:27:01 GMT -5
I would say the so-called mixed race people,from what Ive seen about them that people talk about their looks as striking,is that its INTRESTING rather than beautiful in my opinion. Because its unusual. There is only one race,the human race.Wait,what about the animal race and its subgroups? Cat race((cat,tiger,cheetah)),Dog race((dog,dingo,wolf)),Bird race((sparrow,eagly,pigeon)) Anyway,when we talk about race today,we refer to groups of people with similar facial bone structure,hair texture,colouring etc.The "European type"(white),"Sub-Saharan African type"(black),Northeast Asian type" and so on.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 7, 2008 3:29:22 GMT -5
Greek1234,I thought Arabs only created Islam???
Christianity is by some other Semitic group.Arameans??? After all,Jesus spoke Aramaic.
So anyway,the Semites created the world's major religions.
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 7, 2008 3:31:14 GMT -5
Theres no such thing as a 'Semite' race just like there is no such thing as an 'Indo - European' or 'Hamitic' race.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 7, 2008 3:40:15 GMT -5
I NEVER said there is a Semitic race.
I was referring to the Semites as in the ethno-linguistic group
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Post by whatever on Jun 7, 2008 7:15:17 GMT -5
I feel inferior to albanians? Let me put this simply....I don't care if gold nuggets fall out of your ass, I wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot pole.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jun 7, 2008 8:02:31 GMT -5
There are certain haplotypes that are more associated with certain geographical regions versus other ones so there is some variations between certain groups (which unto itself proves that there are regional variations irregardless of certain politically motivated statements by certain scientists). To understand what exactly are genetic differences and how much does a one percent difference makes one has to understand the following; A) Differences between human groups are less then 1% (up to 99.5% same). B) Between Humans (Homo Sapiensis Sapiensis) and so called (larger brained) Neanderthals (Homo Sapiensis Neanderthalensis) is also less then 1% difference yet they are classified as different species (also up to 99.5% same). C) Between Humans and Chimps differences are also up to 99% same (on average 2-3% different) and certainly no one is confusing them as one specie although genetically they practically are. D) With Gorillas are 90% same and with a worm 70% the same. Conclusion: Half of one percent difference makes a difference between a Human and a Chimp or a Human and a Neanderthal or a Human and another Human (certainly between different distant regions as haplogroup link bellow explains) ____________ Human versus Chimp geneticsThe closest living relatives of Homo sapiens are the two chimpanzee species: the Common Chimpanzee and the Bonobo. Full genome sequencing has resulted in the conclusion that "after 6.5 [million] years of separate evolution, the differences between chimpanzee and human are just 10 times greater than those between two unrelated people and 10 times less than those between rats and mice". Suggested differences between human and chimpanzee DNA sequences range between 95% and 99%. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Origin___________ Human versus Neanderthal geneticsRecent genetic simulations suggested that 5% of human DNA can only be accounted for by assuming a substantial contribution of Neanderthaler to the European gene pool of up to 25%. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis#Etymology_and_classification--------- "A recent extraction of DNA from Neanderthal bones indicates that Neanderthals had the same version of the FOXP2 gene as modern humans. This gene is known to play a role in human language." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis#Language---------- Edward Rubin of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in Berkeley, California states that recent genome testing of Neanderthals suggests human and Neanderthal DNA are some 99.5 percent to nearly 99.9 percent identical.[60][61] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis#Genome______________ Interhuman genetics"Although any two unrelated people share about 99.5% of their DNA sequence, some people may have an A at a particular site on a chromosome while others have a G instead. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_HapMap_Project--------- Haplotypes are generally shared between populations, but their frequency can differ widely. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_HapMap_Project-------- To view haplotype distributions across certain world populations(That shows genetic variations between human populations) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup____________ PS: Therefore conclusion is that it only takes but a slight genetic difference to still leave an impact (perhaps same difference makes us that markedly different from Chimps to begin with). In addition Europeans appear to have some influence from larger brained Neanderthals (whose stone tools were at least as advanced as those of comparable humans living from the same era) which in itself would make them practically a different specie. Finally all modern humans are the same spieces only if the same hold true with Neandertals and Chimps as genetic difefrences are identical.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jun 7, 2008 8:15:21 GMT -5
The first people to create a civilization where the Summerians/ Babylonians. The first true empire on earth was the Persian empire. The Phoenicians where the first maritime traders who travelled passed the pillars of Hercules to Britain and South Africa. The people who built the stonehenge where of Mediterranean stock. The Egyptians who built the Pyramids where also of Mediterranean stock and so where the Libyans. The Arabs and Jews created the world religions (Christiantity, Islam and Judiasm). The Greeks and Romans created 'Western Civilization' and various arts such as Rhetoric and Philosophy, they where both of Mediterranean stock. What is interesting that that first recored Neanderthal hybrid from Portugal is 25,000 years old which would give ample of time for hybrids to multiply. Also, that (larger brained) Neanderthals lived in what can now be referred as Mediterranean region and its proximity. _____________ Comparison of crania, sapiens (left) and neanderthalensis (right). ______________ cranial of Ramses V Note: Ramses V appears (like other ancient Egyptians) rather slander in body built and thus unlike when compared with robust Neandertals but the head region is showing some neandertal-like features. ------------- I touched on this subject over 2 years ago p100.ezboard.com/The-Hybrid-halfneandertal-Child-from-Portugal/fbalkansfrm57.showMessage?topicID=287.topic
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Post by philopoemen81 on Jun 7, 2008 23:35:23 GMT -5
Uhh what do you call that little mulatto put on display for us to laugh at? You are the stupid one. 1) Greeks are a nation but all true Greeks are white. So yes, there is a Greek race. 2) Greek DNA may not exist, but white haplogroups within Greek DNA do. 3) If you mean that there is a lot of variation within caucasians then you are correct. But, if you are insinuating that the genetic difference between caucasians and australian aboriginees is is higher than 2 white Italians then you are wrong. Race is important, Race does exist, closing your eyes and wishing it wouldn't is just ignoring reality. You are a fool of epic proportions. Race does not exist. Dr Francis Collins, one of the leaders of the Human Genome Project has proven race doesn't exist. Only morons and those with a hidden agenda believe in race still. Believing in race is equal to believing we live on a flat disc, instead of a sphere. In the U.S.about 40 percent of anthropologists believe in race. the number rises when speaking only to forensic anthropologists. the point is, there is genetic variation that is large part determined by geographic positions and migrations of populations. anti-race anthropologists acknowledge this, but they prefer not to call it 'race' for political reasons. obviously, american notions of race are a myth.
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Post by Panos on Jun 8, 2008 0:16:35 GMT -5
The person who has the most idea about genetics on the face of the earth has stated that race doesn't exist.
How can race exist when within one so-called race the greatest genetic variance occurs? In other words, on average; the genetic difference between two Greeks is GREATER than between a Greek and a Somali.
Race doesn't exist, the only people that maintain it does usually are ignorant to genetics or choose to be ignorant to suit some nationalist/racist agenda.
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Post by captainalbania on Jun 8, 2008 3:33:40 GMT -5
Race exists. If race didn't exist then we are the same race as a chimpanzee since we share 99% of genes with them. Just because we have a variety of genes doesn't mean race doesn't exist. If race didn't exist then you as a white man (I'm assuming you are white since you are a Greek) would be able to magically have negro children when mating within your own race. But this doesn't happen cause they are a different race and you dont' have their genes. Of course whites show more variability than somalis, Somalis all look alike and have very few phenotypes. But i can't magically have a somali baby tomorrow with a white girl. Race does exist. The only people who maintain that it doesn't are brainwashed morons who can't see whats right in front of them. It goes like this....species-->subspecies homo sapiens-->racial categories. canis familiaris-->dog breeds If race didn't exist, howcome they can tell the race of the victim of a crime just by examining the skull? Caucasian Skull Negroid Skull Mongoloid Skull Australoid Skull
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Post by captainalbania on Jun 8, 2008 3:35:11 GMT -5
Race exists, and for Albanians it is very important to us. i don't know if you take this seriously enough but to me this is an important part of who i am and my cultural identity.
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