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Post by whatever on Jun 18, 2008 10:53:37 GMT -5
but imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! Greece: Skateboarding (originating in California) but now all over Greece. Notice the 'America Urban style grafitti also)
Breakdancing (originating in NYC & LA)
Hip hop (originating in urabn areas...detroit, NYC,LA etc)
Greek rock and roll from 1985 and elininomerikanakia making fun of it lol (you guys can't be the only ones laughing at us)
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Post by yiannisss on Jun 20, 2008 18:50:21 GMT -5
Who hates whom? I have no idea what this thread is about...
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 20, 2008 19:06:12 GMT -5
I think the implication is that many Europeans hate Americans but so many of them mimic music, styles etc.... I have noticed in this forum that there is not a lot of love for Americans. Come on guys give some love for America! Especially your Greek Americans I mean there is only like 3 million of us here!!!!
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 20, 2008 19:09:46 GMT -5
We love Greek Americans.... I married one...
I don't like Americas foreign policies.
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Post by yiannisss on Jun 20, 2008 19:40:38 GMT -5
I don't like Americas foreign policies. Me neither, especially when they involve foreign countries invasions and related destruction (let alone all those lies and hypocricy). Who does like them after all when they come like that? But that is different than saying that someone don't like the people or several cultural aspects, isn't it?
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 20, 2008 20:09:00 GMT -5
I don't like Americas foreign policies. Me neither, especially when they involve foreign countries invasions and related destruction (let alone all those lies and hypocricy). Who does like them after all when they come like that? But that is different than saying that someone don't like the people or several cultural aspects, isn't it? What HAPPENED to the good old days when people used to love Americans? When we were the good guys?
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Post by Japodian on Jun 20, 2008 20:24:28 GMT -5
What HAPPENED to the good old days when people used to love Americans? When we were the good guys? When Elvis was alive, when rock and roll was born, when there was some kind of peace and no terrorism in the world... I as European say also beautiful days! [O.K. I admit, I am a big Elvis fan!] Well as I see it the biggest damage was done by international corporations and lobby model of USA government which doesn't appreciate foreign entities only profit... As for Americans I do not have problem with them, and do not hate them, because beside the negative political influence, many positive cultural and scientific influence I accepted are from US citizens, but they also criticize the society in US... Because I really do not understand how can one country permit so bad health system, law change and disasters like Katrina while in the same time put so much money in corrupt international corporations and wars all over the world.... I almost forgot, here is some love for our Americans!
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Post by yiannisss on Jun 20, 2008 21:14:11 GMT -5
What HAPPENED to the good old days when people used to love Americans? When we were the good guys? The good guys? (hmm) I have no idea. But to tell you the truth, I don't believe that a whole nation can be "the good" or "the bad guys" as a whole. Each nation consists of milions of individuals, and each of them acts several many actions in his/her life, some of which can be good or bad individually and not as a whole. So I think that such a generalized perception about a nation is probably not realistic at all, and maybe it is no more than the result of some pro-nation or anti-nation exagerations or even propaganda. I don't believe to the concepts of the absolute good or absolute evil either; such forces just cannot exist - or we never meet them in our lives. All I mean is that I have never met anyone exclusively/perfectly good in my life neither someone exclusively bad; we are all a mixture of the two and it is only our choices and actions (not some generalized perceptions) determining what we mostly are. So, in regards with the so-called "anti-Americanism" that this thread is probably about, I think that it shouldn't be called like that at all and that the term is very inaccurate. Calling it "anti-imperialism" would be much more accurate in my opinion, and the fact that America is the imperial power of our times is only a historical coincidence. About Elvis? I confess that I never liked him; my brother adores him thought. And if I would had to mention the American musicean that I do like the most, then I would probably pick Bob Dylan to mention.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 20, 2008 22:28:36 GMT -5
What HAPPENED to the good old days when people used to love Americans? When we were the good guys? The good guys? (hmm) I have no idea. But to tell you the truth, I don't believe that a whole nation can be "the good" or "the bad guys" as a whole. Each nation consists of milions of individuals, and each of them acts several many actions in his/her life, some of which can be good or bad individually and not as a whole. So I think that such a generalized perception about a nation is probably not realistic at all, and maybe it is no more than the result of some pro-nation or anti-nation exagerations or even propaganda. I don't believe to the concepts of the absolute good or absolute evil either; such forces just cannot exist - or we never meet them in our lives. All I mean is that I have never met anyone exclusively/perfectly good in my life neither someone exclusively bad; we are all a mixture of the two and it is only our choices and actions (not some generalized perceptions) determining what we mostly are. So, in regards with the so-called "anti-Americanism" that this thread is probably about, I think that it shouldn't be called like that at all and that the term is very inaccurate. Calling it "anti-imperialism" would be much more accurate in my opinion, and the fact that America is the imperial power of our times is only a historical coincidence. About Elvis? I confess that I never liked him; my brother adores him thought. And if I would had to mention the American musicean that I do like the most, then I would probably pick Bob Dylan to mention. I think America as a whole has been a great country. You can't even say that America as a whole has not been good. America has given refuge to the worlds tired, hungry and poor. If your here trying to defend the Taliban or Saddam Hussein I am unsure. Are you calling America imperialist for invading Iraq and Afghanistan? I don't whole heartedly disagree with you but I do believe somewhere along the line America has degraded severely. It is capitalism which is very good for freedom but it is also very bad for the bottom guys on the totem pole. By the way Bob Dylan is a really good musician. I hate with the passion, Elvis Presley.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 2:48:11 GMT -5
All this america was great but ..... not worth trading peace for elvis. After the yugoslav experience, i am sure there are countries in this world that could live with no connections to america, west, and still have a nice and vivid culture.
Lately i kind of take american culture as.... enforced imperialism. And i was and still am a die hard heavy metal fan since the early 80s.... I loved a lot of american bands... but as i said .... it is not worth trading some hype for .... humanity. Yugo music/culture alone is superior to the american. Imagine if we add more countries to the ... opposite side..
P.S. Japodian, nice to see the picture of the greatest Serb of all times as your avatar!
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Post by yiannisss on Jun 21, 2008 8:08:58 GMT -5
I think America as a whole has been a great country. You can't even say that America as a whole has not been good. If I would had to speak about America as a whole, then I would say that there were (and are) cases where it was/is great, and cases where it was/is horrible. Saying that it was/is just great or just horrible is not accurate imo, and it only means that you close the eye to the one or the other cases' category. America has given refuge to the worlds tired, hungry and poor. Ok. lets take this as an example then. It happened only because there was a need for colonizing the conquered lands of the Native Americans, and it wasn't fair to them at all (infact it was barbaric) althought that it also had many very good consuquences for the colonials. So, overall I wouldn't call that very much great... Reviving the idea of Democracy (even if it was mostly in the ancient Roman Republic's form), and the Bill of Rights, are probably a much better reason for calling America great as these were including no peoples racial nor genocidal policies and mindsets. Are you calling America imperialist for invading Iraq and Afghanistan? Yes. And I can see only imperialist motives for these invasions happened, especially in the case of Iraq but also in the case of Afghanistan. If your here trying to defend the Taliban or Saddam Hussein I am unsure. Criticising these invasions does not mean "defending the Taliban or Saddam Hussein"! It only means "Criticising some imperial invasions and all the related lies and war-mongering". It is capitalism which is very good for freedom but it is also very bad for the bottom guys on the totem pole. Capitalism has to do mostly with the Markets Freedom, and not with Freedom in general. By the way Bob Dylan is a really good musician. He is fantastic! And I am glad that he is still there (in yet another constrast to Elvis .
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 8:12:28 GMT -5
America is $hit!
Europe forever!
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Post by bordura on Jun 21, 2008 9:23:14 GMT -5
Just by inventing deodorant America has Europe in debt for life ;D
can't resist of not spicing this thread ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 9:35:33 GMT -5
And we....gave you America. How about that?
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Post by bordura on Jun 21, 2008 9:46:57 GMT -5
;D actually Americans took it from : British (fight) French (dollars), Spanish (fight) Mexican (fight + dollars), Russian (dollars) oh and they gave back Europe to Europe both times free
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Post by jerryspringer on Jun 21, 2008 10:18:38 GMT -5
;D actually Americans took it from : British (fight) French (dollars), Spanish (fight) Mexican (fight + dollars), Russian (dollars) oh and they gave back Europe to Europe both times free What about the Native Americans? They paid them for the land in Louisiana, but not for the rest.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 10:35:31 GMT -5
...the ones that gave them birth.
I dont feel big sympathy with the USA...still I prefer them as superpower...instead of China...or India for example. In the end its the Europeans who are predominant in our world. And some bastard Europeans are still better than some chinks or primal gypsies. ;D
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Post by bordura on Jun 21, 2008 10:36:19 GMT -5
ok Anittas is right I forgot Native Americans :
Native American lands : (dollars, treaties, removal by force, decimation)
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Post by bordura on Jun 21, 2008 10:40:28 GMT -5
...the ones that gave them birth.
nah they didn't gave them birth they started colonies for themselves. And since then are bitter because the baby got smarter and better ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 10:53:27 GMT -5
perhaps. Still you people on the other side of the atlantic are kind of strange....take the measuring units as the simplest example...5'12 and 12'1 etc wtf shall that be.....or naming the temperatures in KELVIN...rofl....it has to be the contaminated air... cant explain it other than that.
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