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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2008 10:08:48 GMT -5
Your cause and effect analysis is terrible skewed but understandable coming from the position of a Serbian nationalist which I assume you are. I won't try to bombard you with more objective facts since they will have no effect. An analysis painting one side as completely innocent or at best reactionary won't gain much credibility in a serious investigation of the matter. There had to be an underpinning reason why basically the non-Serbs of Yugoslavia didn't any longer desire the arrangement ( if they ever did at all...). My guess would be because of the centralization tactics of Belgrade at the time which were naturally beneficial to Serbs ( or so it was projected this way) across Yugoslavia but detrimental to others. I don't blame the Serbs of Croatia or the Bosnian Serb Republic for wanting to separate themselves from Croatian or Bosnian domination either. I believe their position was just as legitimate as those of the Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians, Bosniaks, and Albanians who desired more freedom ( as they perceived it). So then why did you state this... And primarily Serbia's actions that destroyed it. Its understandable why many Serbs wanted to keep Yugoslavia in tact and there was nothing altruistic about it in regard to other ethnic groups as 'brotherhood and unity' was a concept truly shared by only a hand full of people in Yugoslavia. The purpose was to keep Serb scattered in other republics within Yugoslavia under a single unitary state that would, as Milosevic tried to demonstrate, gravitate and centralize heavily to Belgrade. Naturally the Croats and Slovenes were against this, understandably so, and wanted to go precisely in the opposite direction. ...if you believed no side was to blame?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Apr 22, 2008 10:29:02 GMT -5
At this point I see no logical need to all of a sudden stop 8 year old practice in these forums and transform the name of the forums from state to ethnic especially so that vast majority of most popular forums are already fused with ethnic component as it can be seen within their description, ex. bellow;
Serbia Forum Topics centered on Serbs and or Serbia
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 22, 2008 10:29:12 GMT -5
I didn't say any side was to blame or not to blame. The governments in the respective regions are mostly to blame. I pointed out that the Serbian leadership also has blood on its hands but it seems you suggest otherwise squarely blaming everyone but. I do believe the catalyst or trigger of everything that followed was Belgrade's desire for a highly centralized Yugoslav state as the majority of people in Yugoslavia disagreed with that proposal.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2008 10:54:51 GMT -5
At this point I see no logical need to all of a sudden stop 8 year old practice in these forums and transform the name of the forums from state to ethnic especially so that vast majority of most popular forums are already fused with ethnic component as it can be seen within their description, ex. bellow; Serbia ForumTopics centered on Serbs and or Serbia So why is there a "Kosovo" forum? Kosovars are not an ethnicity. And why is there an Macedon forum and a Cypriot forum? Shouldn't the Greek forum cover the Macedon and Cypriot forums? I didn't say any side was to blame or not to blame. The governments in the respective regions are mostly to blame. I pointed out that the Serbian leadership also has blood on its hands but it seems you suggest otherwise squarely blaming everyone but. I do believe the catalyst or trigger of everything that followed was Belgrade's desire for a highly centralized Yugoslav state as the majority of people in Yugoslavia disagreed with that proposal. What centralization are you talking about? The only centralization reform was limiting the autonomy of Kosovo and Vojvodina. The republics were left alone.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Apr 22, 2008 11:16:09 GMT -5
" So why is there a "Kosovo" forum? Kosovars are not an ethnicity. And why is there an Macedon forum and a Cypriot forum? Shouldn't the Greek forum cover the Macedon and Cypriot forums?"
Kosovo is a region that is rather controversial in nature and hence the many topics it generates as is the case with Macedonia as an issue while Cyprus is a state onto itself, geographically distant from Greece.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2008 11:27:54 GMT -5
Kosovo is a region that is rather controversial in nature and hence the many topics it generates " So why are the moderators mostly Albanians if the Kosovo forum is split down the middle?" Cause most of the visitors there are by far Albanians (perhaps even that resembles the actual ethic makeup of Kosovo today). Anyone is free to express their opinions (granted they are civil and relevant to the given forum) in whatever forum within Illyria Forums. Most of the threads (around 95% or so) in the Kosovo forum are started by Albanians. I recognise that Albanians are using the Kosovo forum as a second Albanian forum. Serbs post all Kosovo related material in the Serbian forum. as is the case with Macedonia as an issue I meant the ancient Macedonian forum which I call the Macedon forum. while Cyprus is a state onto itself, geographically distant from Greece. But dominated by Greeks. Unless Cypriots are to Greeks what Montenegrins are to Serbians in which case I drop my claim.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 22, 2008 14:26:08 GMT -5
^^Deucaon stop deleting posts and stop instigating/ethnically insulting people
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2008 14:47:26 GMT -5
^^Deucaon stop deleting posts and stop instigating/ethnically insulting people If you are referring to me rightfully saying that Montenegrins are Serbs; you are the only person who seems to be upset by this.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 22, 2008 14:59:40 GMT -5
No other montenegrins here so why would they care
I rightfully say you're wrong and shouldn't be a moderator.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 23, 2008 3:09:45 GMT -5
No other montenegrins here so why would they care You are the only Montenegrin on these forums? I find that hard to believe. I rightfully say you're wrong and shouldn't be a moderator. You are entitled to your opinion, however wrong and idiotic it may be.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 23, 2008 4:21:42 GMT -5
Well this Greek guy at my work says cypriot greeks have their own dialect and culture compared to Greeks on the mainland.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 23, 2008 8:43:09 GMT -5
Theres also dekimontenegro and dsurazal
ditto
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 23, 2008 9:04:06 GMT -5
Theres also dekimontenegro and dsurazal So why aren't they attacking me in the same way you are? Why aren't they upset?
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Post by terroreign on Apr 23, 2008 9:35:16 GMT -5
Because they're passive, and not here all the time..
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 23, 2008 10:03:22 GMT -5
Because they're passive, and not here all the time.. Until Montenegrins start complaining, I will assume that you are in the minority.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 23, 2008 13:47:05 GMT -5
^lol do you believe this forum's members are an accurate depiction of the balkans?
How about do this, go to montenegrin forums and see what they think and get back to me, ethocentrism gets one nowhere...
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 23, 2008 13:52:38 GMT -5
^lol do you believe this forum's members are an accurate depiction of the balkans? I meant a minority on these forums. How about do this, go to montenegrin forums and see what they think and get back to me, ethocentrism gets one nowhere... Don't start throwing around wild allegations as I might consider them slander.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 23, 2008 13:57:52 GMT -5
^^What slander, you're engaging in ethnocentrism when you claim that I am a minority of montenegrins.
Yes montenegrins are a minority here, but we still have the right to be represented accurately.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 23, 2008 14:11:33 GMT -5
I am getting tired of this babble. If you wish to seek me out then start a thread otherwise I will start deleting posts for being off topic. ^^What slander, you're engaging in ethnocentrism when you claim that I am a minority of montenegrins. I said that unless other Montenegrins on these forums start telling me not to say that Montenegrins are Serbs, I will assume that you (and your opinions) are within the minority (of Montenegrins who are on these forums). That is not slander. Yes montenegrins are a minority here, but we still have the right to be represented accurately. You are one man who is yet to rally anymore Montenegrins to your cause.
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