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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2008 2:20:17 GMT -5
There should be ethnically based forums: (for example) the Montenegrin forum, the Bosniak forum, the Croat forum, the Serb forum, the Macedonian forum, the Greek forum, the Illyrian forum, the Yugoslav forum, the Albanian forum, the Slovenian forum, the Hungarian forum, the Romanian forum, the Moldavian forum, the Bulgarian forum, the Turkish forum, etc.
As for the Macedon forum (ancient Macedonian forum), the Cypriot forum and the Kosovo forum: they should be destroyed and their topic transferred to which ever forum wants them.
If you chose option two then state your idea/s.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 21, 2008 2:24:53 GMT -5
I agree there should be ethnically based forums, but as such the moderators for these forums must be of the forum's ethnicity.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 21, 2008 4:29:30 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Apr 21, 2008 4:49:04 GMT -5
Yes, Serbian mods shouldn't be mods where Serbs don't even live or where the mods themselves have no connection or have never been to that particular place. Why is there Serbian mods in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo when theyre not even from these places!?! I think this causes Moderator conflicts in this form and Serbs should moderate their own forum, Bosnians their own and Croats their own (Not fender, he is not croatian).
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Post by terroreign on Apr 21, 2008 5:26:41 GMT -5
Yes, fender is a unique situation. He should stay mod of the serbia forum.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2008 7:20:25 GMT -5
Yes, Serbian mods shouldn't be mods where Serbs don't even live or where the mods themselves have no connection or have never been to that particular place. Why is there Serbian mods in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo when theyre not even from these places!?! I think this causes Moderator conflicts in this form and Serbs should moderate their own forum, Bosnians their own and Croats their own (Not fender, he is not croatian). As most of the moderators are from Yugoslavia, they are allowed to be moderators of whichever successor state is created from Yugoslavia. Which is one of the reason why we shouldn't have regional forums as an Albanian from Serbia (Kosovo) could become a moderator for the Serbian forum. Yes, fender is a unique situation. He should stay mod of the serbia forum. What is the story behind this?
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Post by zgembo on Apr 21, 2008 8:34:51 GMT -5
There is no story behind it. Most Croats hate Serbs too much to be critical of Kosovo Albanians. Fedner is not like that. He is a Yugo-oriented Croat who dislikes Albanian nationalists for the same reason many of us do: for helping to break-up Yugoslavia. Of course, in such a forum he would be a Croatian moderator (we are separating things according to ethnicity here, let's not do it according to political opinion too... that would be too much).
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Apr 21, 2008 9:13:41 GMT -5
Mapko, I never hear Fender speak his love for Yugoslavia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2008 10:04:30 GMT -5
There is no story behind it. Most Croats hate Serbs too much to be critical of Kosovo Albanians. Fedner is not like that. He is a Yugo-oriented Croat who dislikes Albanian nationalists for the same reason many of us do: for helping to break-up Yugoslavia. Of course, in such a forum he would be a Croatian moderator (we are separating things according to ethnicity here, let's not do it according to political opinion too... that would be too much). If he is "Yugo-oriented" then he can be the moderator of the Croat and Yugoslav forum. And the Yugoslav forum should cover 1918-2006 (including the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes plus Serbia and Montenegro).
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Apr 21, 2008 13:12:35 GMT -5
Lets face it, even Serbs were against the whole Yugo idea.... Even Serbs wanted to maintian their Serbian identity as all other nations.... I think its unfair and biassed just to go and point the finger at Albanians. It was NEVER going to work.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2008 14:04:04 GMT -5
Lets face it, even Serbs were against the whole Yugo idea.... Even Serbs wanted to maintian their Serbian identity as all other nations.... I think its unfair and biassed just to go and point the finger at Albanians. It was NEVER going to work. Serbs created Yugoslavia. Serbs nurtured Yugoslavia. Serbs were the ones who sacrificed most for Yugoslavia. Most Serbs wanted to keep Yugoslavia together or at least keep some form of it. Those who wanted to break it up were materialistic internationalists (also known as DOS) and incompetent isolationists (also known as the Socialists).
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Post by terroreign on Apr 22, 2008 0:36:46 GMT -5
Deucaon - We should have also competent moderators^^Not sensitive ones.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2008 0:56:20 GMT -5
Deucaon - We should have also competent moderators^^Not sensitive ones. I follow the rules. Perhaps you should do the same.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 22, 2008 1:20:32 GMT -5
Lets face it, even Serbs were against the whole Yugo idea.... Even Serbs wanted to maintian their Serbian identity as all other nations.... I think its unfair and biassed just to go and point the finger at Albanians. It was NEVER going to work. Serbs created Yugoslavia. Serbs nurtured Yugoslavia. Serbs were the ones who sacrificed most for Yugoslavia. Most Serbs wanted to keep Yugoslavia together or at least keep some form of it. Those who wanted to break it up were materialistic internationalists (also known as DOS) and incompetent isolationists (also known as the Socialists). Lijepo je zivjeti na tudi racun ... zar ne? ;D
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 22, 2008 8:03:38 GMT -5
Lets face it, even Serbs were against the whole Yugo idea.... Even Serbs wanted to maintian their Serbian identity as all other nations.... I think its unfair and biassed just to go and point the finger at Albanians. It was NEVER going to work. Serbs created Yugoslavia. Serbs nurtured Yugoslavia. Serbs were the ones who sacrificed most for Yugoslavia. Most Serbs wanted to keep Yugoslavia together or at least keep some form of it. Those who wanted to break it up were materialistic internationalists (also known as DOS) and incompetent isolationists (also known as the Socialists). And primarily Serbia's actions that destroyed it. Its understandable why many Serbs wanted to keep Yugoslavia in tact and there was nothing altruistic about it in regard to other ethnic groups as 'brotherhood and unity' was a concept truly shared by only a hand full of people in Yugoslavia. The purpose was to keep Serb scattered in other republics within Yugoslavia under a single unitary state that would, as Milosevic tried to demonstrate, gravitate and centralize heavily to Belgrade. Naturally the Croats and Slovenes were against this, understandably so, and wanted to go precisely in the opposite direction.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 22, 2008 8:07:53 GMT -5
I don't get what people mean by 'ethnically based forums.' Does that mean that each form would be exclusive only to a single ethnic group? I don't think that was the administrator's intention. There are plenty of forums out there that are ethnically based or exclusive. I believe the administrator here desires to have multiple ethnic groups interact with each other.
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Post by kasso on Apr 22, 2008 8:16:31 GMT -5
Good idea!
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 22, 2008 8:22:42 GMT -5
I don't get what people mean by 'ethnically based forums.' Does that mean that each form would be exclusive only to a single ethnic group? I don't think that was the administrator's intention. There are plenty of forums out there that are ethnically based or exclusive. I believe the administrator here desires to have multiple ethnic groups interact with each other. No he doesnt mean that. He means that just the names of each forum should be ethnically based. "Serbian forum" "Croatian forum" etc
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2008 9:14:19 GMT -5
And primarily Serbia's actions that destroyed it. Its understandable why many Serbs wanted to keep Yugoslavia in tact and there was nothing altruistic about it in regard to other ethnic groups as 'brotherhood and unity' was a concept truly shared by only a hand full of people in Yugoslavia. The purpose was to keep Serb scattered in other republics within Yugoslavia under a single unitary state that would, as Milosevic tried to demonstrate, gravitate and centralize heavily to Belgrade. Naturally the Croats and Slovenes were against this, understandably so, and wanted to go precisely in the opposite direction. No. It was the greed of Slovene, Croat and Muslim politicians that started the break up of Yugoslavia and it was the paranoia of the Slovene, Croat and Muslim people that carried it out. Serb reactions were as a result of careless non-Serb actions. Croats declared Croatia independent so the Serbs declared Krajina independent. Muslims declared Bosnia independent so Serbs declared Republika Srpska independent. As far as the pseudo "Greater Serbia" is concerned, Milosevic never controlled Republika Srpska and he gave up Krajina and Republika Srpska as soon as he could. He should be celebrated as a hero in Zagreb and Tuzla. I don't get what people mean by 'ethnically based forums.' Does that mean that each form would be exclusive only to a single ethnic group? I don't think that was the administrator's intention. There are plenty of forums out there that are ethnically based or exclusive. I believe the administrator here desires to have multiple ethnic groups interact with each other. My intention is to change the forums from regional to ethnic. So instead of the Serbia forum there would be the Serb forum. Instead of focusing on Serbia and Serbians, it would focus on all Serbs in the Balkans. Even if that was my original intention, we would still have the Yugoslav forum to interact with each other but such a task as separating individual people into specific forums would take too long and be a headache.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 22, 2008 10:01:01 GMT -5
Your cause and effect analysis is terrible skewed but understandable coming from the position of a Serbian nationalist which I assume you are. I won't try to bombard you with more objective facts since they will have no effect. An analysis painting one side as completely innocent or at best reactionary won't gain much credibility in a serious investigation of the matter. There had to be an underpinning reason why basically the non-Serbs of Yugoslavia didn't any longer desire the arrangement ( if they ever did at all...). My guess would be because of the centralization tactics of Belgrade at the time which were naturally beneficial to Serbs ( or so it was projected this way) across Yugoslavia but detrimental to others. I don't blame the Serbs of Croatia or the Bosnian Serb Republic for wanting to separate themselves from Croatian or Bosnian domination either. I believe their position was just as legitimate as those of the Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians, Bosniaks, and Albanians who desired more freedom ( as they perceived it).
Ok, thanks for the clarification. I think I like the current set up better than your proposed one but the administrator has the last word in this.
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