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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jul 4, 2008 9:48:21 GMT -5
Can anyone please define for me what it means to be white?
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Post by Kefalus on Jul 4, 2008 10:09:48 GMT -5
Why another stupid topic?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 4, 2008 10:18:37 GMT -5
It is a made up term as there is no such thing. People of white skin range from Albino (not white), Eskimos (not white) while Australian Aboriginals and especially their Salomon island kin has often blond hair yet most certainly are not white. Simply put there is many human variations. Just as there is no uniform asian race there is certainly no uniform European race. Europe (just like Asia and Africa for that reason) is composed of several various racial types. There are; A) Olive skinned gracile Mediterranean race (arrived in Europe via Near East Asia around 10,000 years ago) which is probably of Ethiopid racial origin [which is not related with Negroid or Bantoid type which is dominant in much of Africa which also has Khosian (Kalahari desert in South Africa) and Mediterranean types (North Africa)]. B) Heavily built and robust Upper Paleolithic (UP) types (arrived in Europe via Asia around 40,000 years ago) which might have been somewhat intermixed with larger brained, shorter, stocky and powerful Neanderthals (most ancient Greek philosophers appear mixed with this UP type according to statutes such as Alpine Socrates, in fact Balkans is a region where types A and B are often fused which is also a unique condition). UP might be distant kin of Lappoid type that has been altered by intermixing somewhat with Mediterranean and Neanderthal (especially in Balkan region it appears to be the case). C) Mongoloid influences across eastern and northern Europe (of older or more recent derivation such as Huns and other Turkic tribes, Mongols etc ), D) De-pegmented Mongoloid Lappoid type such as that of Saami's (Lapps) of northern Europe (aboriginal Scandinavian population that has been there for 20,000 years) and it is a unique influence. Eastern Europe is strongly influenced by this type (via proto-Finnish tribes of eastern Europe that later became Slavized). E) Nordic type that is a mutated albanized or de-pegmented Mediterranean strain (that went north after the end of last ice age and ice retreat) influenced often with intermixing with Saamis. Thus both being mutated and influenced by Saami makes it unique. As we can see Europe is composed of several (in fact five) influences which are distant of each other and as a result term white has no real value (even ancient olive skinned Greeks and Romans never considered themselves as kin with semi-mongoloid eastern or pale/albanized northern Europeans - term Gauls come to mind which is given by Greeks as it calls them milky white-skinned or Galla=Milk ).
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jul 4, 2008 10:54:56 GMT -5
Why another stupid topic? This is a stupid topic? Well for people who are smart, yes it is stupid. However for some of the people on these boards they may have trouble grasping the concept of what it means to be white. I clearly remember being in school, and a teacher asking this question. The responses blew my mind. I remember one clearly that said, "white anglosaxon and protestant." Or the Albanians who say they are the whitest of all. You cannot argue that you are something that you cannot clearly define. Am I right?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 4, 2008 11:44:30 GMT -5
came across this map of slavophone and albanophone regions brakedown 1) Laponoid (Alpine) majority 2) Absolute Armenoid (Dinaric) majority 3) Relative Armenoid (Dinaric) majority 4) Central European mixed territory, majority of Nordic element 5) Majority of Mediterranean race notes: some types are crisscrossed do to the fact that they might be interrelated and thus hards for some to seperate. #1 is neodanubian influence (Slavs) #2+3 are Dinarics (perhaps partially of distant Armenoid origin and mainly mountain dwelling Pondics somewhat altered by Alpines) #4 depegmented Pondics (focus: central Balkans) #5 Pondics (Meds) (also prevalent in Aegean)
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Post by jerryspringer on Jul 4, 2008 11:52:32 GMT -5
All terms are made up.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 5, 2008 8:53:43 GMT -5
Keep the topic clean guys...
antigreek posts will be deleted immediately without warning.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 5, 2008 9:04:50 GMT -5
came across this map of slavophone and albanophone regions brakedown 1) Laponoid (Alpine) majority 2) Absolute Armenoid (Dinaric) majority 3) Relative Armenoid (Dinaric) majority 4) Central European mixed territory, majority of Nordic element 5) Majority of Mediterranean race notes: some types are crisscrossed do to the fact that they might be interrelated and thus hards for some to seperate. #1 is neodanubian influence (Slavs) #2+3 are Dinarics (perhaps partially of distant Armenoid origin and mainly mountain dwelling Pondics somewhat altered by Alpines) #4 depegmented Pondics (focus: central Balkans) #5 Pondics (Meds) (also prevalent in Aegean) Seeing that map, i recall what Novi had written about WWI, when the only yugoslavs that could best communicate with local FYROMIANS (the F as in FUTURE), where the slovens. All that explains that the slavophone wife of a friend of mine from Aridaia (North Greek Makedonia), told me that they could understand Bulgarians better than FYROMAKS. Now about that stupid collage, one could fix an equivalent of totally blonde greeks just by using images.google.com in less than 10 minutes. take a look at some funny related staff : answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080519185657AAEsBTy
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 5, 2008 11:12:37 GMT -5
One thing puzzles me tho, that keeps me from believing in the reliability of this map. Albies against Adriatic Croats, Northern Bosnians and half of sumadians/Voivodinians DONT look the same to my eyes. (and i have seen thousands of all).
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Post by Duke John on Jul 5, 2008 14:35:00 GMT -5
Keep the topic clean guys... antigreek posts will be deleted immediately without warning. what about anti-albanian posts? will you delete them also?
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 5, 2008 16:57:46 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 5, 2008 22:28:31 GMT -5
a person???
Someone who has THAT nose,THAT brows,THAT forehead,THAT hair texture,THAT body shape,THAT eyes,THAT cheecks,THAT jaw and THOSE colours.
You know what the THAT and THOSE are.
Its main home is Europe
And then for those outside Europe who have these feature are mixed:Levantines,Central Asians,North Africans,Northern part of the Indian sucontinent.
Examples:Foud Siniora(Lebanon),Aishwarya Bachan(India).They have ancient European ancestry.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jul 30, 2008 15:57:23 GMT -5
But there are so many shades of white skin, so many shades of hair color, so many different facial structures. How can one claim they are white when it is not so easily defined and who gets to decide what classifies as white, European or Caucasian? It is a joke as far as I am concerned.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jul 31, 2008 8:11:21 GMT -5
If you take a Russian and compare him to an Englishman the two are probably going to be far different. Or an Italian to a Scandinavian. Or a Greek to a Frenchman. So on goes the comparisons.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 8, 2008 0:18:49 GMT -5
l thought no.1 from the map you posted above would had also been present in slovenia and nth Croatia and No.5 a bit more prevalent in south eastern serbia and vardar.
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 16, 2008 12:11:01 GMT -5
If you take a Russian and compare him to an Englishman the two are probably going to be far different. Or an Italian to a Scandinavian. Or a Greek to a Frenchman. So on goes the comparisons. I understand.There are varieties,regional differences,but you have that overall EUropean or "white" look that you know were talking about.
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