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Post by Kassandros on Jul 26, 2008 3:20:14 GMT -5
Since I'm a little bit tired to be accuseed racist (as a Greek citizen)...and since I' tired too, to see, mainly Albanian people of this forum, praising the western world about how democratic and with values societies is..... I open this thread to gather some info from now on, 26.08.2008 to see what is going on to these western rich! and well sturctured societies who are full of values!
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 26, 2008 3:20:53 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/ap_on_re_us/immigrant_killing_students;_ylt=Alk0gmZWP0.B2sViv1nDhqNH2ocABy MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 29 minutes ago PORT CARBON, Pa. - Three white teens were charged Friday in what officials said was an epithet-filled fatal beating of an illegal Mexican immigrant in a small northeast Pennsylvania coal town. Brandon J. Piekarsky, 16, and Colin J. Walsh, 17, were charged as adults with homicide and ethnic intimidation in the July 12 attack on Luis Ramirez. A third teen, Derrick M. Donchak, 18, was charged with aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation and other offenses. All are from Shenandoah, where the attack occurred. Additional charges are expected in the case that has roiled Shenandoah, a small, economically depressed town where police have reported friction between whites and a growing Hispanic population. The suspects played football at Shenandoah Valley High School; Donchak, now enrolled at Bloomsburg University, was the quarterback last season. "As a result of this crime, a young man has lost his life. Many other lives have been devastated, and the borough of Shenandoah has been filled with tensions between many ethnic groups," Schuylkill County District Attorney James Goodman said. "Now that the criminal charges have been filed, we must let this case be handled in the criminal justice system," he said. According to a police affidavit, the defendants and three 17-year-olds encountered Ramirez, 25, and a teenage girl in a park the night of July 12. The youths goaded Ramirez and the girl, saying, "You should get out of this neighborhood" and "Get your Mexican boyfriend out of here," documents said. After Ramirez and the girl began walking away, someone yelled an ethnic slur at him, court documents said. He responded, "What's your problem?" A fight ensued, during which police said Walsh punched Ramirez in the face. The victim fell and hit his head on the street, leaving him unconscious, after which Piekarsky kicked him in the head, police said. All three suspects used ethnic slurs during the fight, which ended with Ramirez in convulsions and foaming at the mouth, authorities said. The attackers fled the scene; Ramirez underwent surgery but died July 14 of head injuries. Piekarsky and Walsh were being held without bail, while Donchak was held on $75,000 bail. Lawyers for Piekarsky and Walsh said their clients are not guilty and that there was no evidence to support the homicide charges. They also said they would try to have the case removed to juvenile court. Roger Laguna, Walsh's lawyer, said the police affidavit "pretty much describes chaos, and what you have then after the fact is somebody trying to sort through that and attribute certain acts to certain individuals." He said that although slurs might have been used, the fight was not motivated by ethnicity. "I think any time there's a fight and any time you have one ethnic group fighting another, there's going to be racial slurs," he said. "I've seen that since I was a kid on a playground 20 years ago, but they never called it ethnic intimidation until very recently." Frederick Fanelli, Piekarsky's lawyer, said he is "surprised and disappointed" that his client faces a homicide charge, attributing Ramirez's death to a "street fight that ended tragically." Donchak declined to comment. Ramirez, who entered the U.S. illegally about six years ago, worked in a factory and picked strawberries and cherries. Crystal Dillman, the victim's 24-year-old fiancee, who is white and grew up in Shenandoah, has said Ramirez was often called derogatory names and told to return to his homeland. The couple had two children together, and Dillman also has a 3-year-old who thought of Ramirez as her father. "I plan on moving out of this town as fast as I can. Not because I'm scared. I just don't want to see my children have to deal with what their father dealt with," Dillman said. Preliminary hearings for all three suspects were set for Aug. 4. Goodman said a fourth teen will be charged as a juvenile with aggravated assault and ethnic intimidation and that charges also will be filed against a man who provided alcohol to the defendants hours before the attack.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 26, 2008 3:33:15 GMT -5
I dont know what u are saying basilmacedon
-Simple. Albanians accusse Greeks as racists and praise US or Western Europe in general for their democratic values and their friendly to immigration behavior. So, lets see if they are right or not.-
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 26, 2008 4:03:17 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/world/europe/26norway.html?_r=1&ref=europe&oref=sloginRefugee Center Attacked in Norway By WALTER GIBBS Published: July 26, 2008 OSLO — Norwegian police and immigration authorities have raised security at a refugee center following an attack by dozens of men armed with steel rods, knives and other weapons that lasted only 15 minutes and left more than 20 asylum seekers injured. A police superintendent, Per Tore Fremstad, called the Thursday episode a “wave attack, ” in which 40 to 50 men climbed a fence around the center in Vaaler, about 30 miles south of Oslo. He said the attackers, apparently from around the region, swarmed the building at 9:45 p.m. and “began hitting out at people almost randomly.” More than 20 refugees were were taken to local hospitals, including one with a broken arm and another with a skull fracture. On Friday morning, the police arrested five Chechen men, aged 23 to 43, on suspicion of taking part in the attack, but Mr. Fremstad said it was not clear that all the attackers were of the same nationality. Some media reports said the dispute may have grown out of a complaint that a Kurdish boy had bothered two Chechen women inside the center. In 2005, the police responded to repeated altercations at the center stemming from a demand by several Chechen residents for the imposition of strict Muslim law, or Sharia, at the facility. “Whatever the original cause,” said Mr. Fremstad of the Thursday episode, “it was trivial until somebody’s honor got offended.” The center in Vaaler houses some 250 asylum seekers from Russia, Iraq, Iran, Somalia and Eritrea, among other nations. It is one of 70 such facilities in Norway, where a total of 8,000 people live while their applications for asylum are under review. Agnar Kaarboe, a spokesman at the Norwegian Directorate of Immigration, said the number of asylum seekers assigned to Vaaler was “defensible,” but he acknowledged systematic overcrowding at centers nationwide following a doubling in the number of asylum applications in the past year. “The entire asylum reception system is under pressure,” he said. Immigration authorities are seeking to build many additional reception centers, often in the face of local opposition, and have resorted at times to erecting tents to house young male refugees. shirttail The continuing influx of migrants in Italy — including an estimated 9,000 arrivals in the first two weeks of July — prompted the government of Silvio Berlusconi to declare a state of national emergency on Friday. The emergency measures will allow Italian officials “to adopt more accelerated procedures to manage new holding centers,” Mario Morcone, a top immigration official in the Ministry of the Interior, said in a statement. He said the declaration would allow the government to deal more efficiently with a “persistent and exceptional flow of non-E.U. citizens.” Similar emergency measures have been introduced every year since 2002, and this year they were already in place in three southern Italian regions. But the recent spike in migration induced the government to boost its powers throughout the country, Mr. Morcone said. But opposition leaders in Italy accused the government of fear mongering. Marco Minniti, shadow Minister of the Interior and a member of the center-left Democratic Party, said the emergency declaration “merely increases the preoccupation and insecurity in people, the exact opposite of what should be done.”
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 26, 2008 9:28:23 GMT -5
So your saying Albanians praise the Western world for being a society that gives justice,so your doing a lets see how true this is thing.
Well,I think we all know that racism and other injustices happens throughout the Western world.Most European people are white supremacists by the way,thats inevitable and is a result of Europeans controlling the world from the days of European colonialism. You could say its irrational for Europeans to not be white supremacists because its sooo good.
Oh! Now I remember basilmacedon!
USA and their invasion of Iraq and USA and their democracy preaching bullshit whilst supporting a non-elected Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan.Thats another example.
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Post by Niklianos on Jul 26, 2008 13:13:05 GMT -5
In reality ALL people are racist in a sense! Even many black people who claim they can't be racist say racist things about white people all the time. There is a term which describes everyones feelings about other races, etc ETHNOCENTRISM. This is the belief that you and your culture are superior to others. Everyone feels this to an extent with no exemptions.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jul 26, 2008 14:09:29 GMT -5
so you are trying to fight racism with being racist?
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 26, 2008 22:58:47 GMT -5
In reality ALL people are racist in a sense! Even many black people who claim they can't be racist say racist things about white people all the time. There is a term which describes everyones feelings about other races, etc ETHNOCENTRISM. This is the belief that you and your culture are superior to others. Everyone feels this to an extent with no exemptions. Ahem! Black ppl say racist things about white people? NO! Thats not racist! Thats anger.There's no such thing as Black racist to whites.NEVER! Especially with this world order were in.There's just no such thing as Black or coloured people racism to whites.All anger and defensiveness.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 27, 2008 4:24:44 GMT -5
ILIR, "so you are trying to fight racism with being racist? " ----------------------------------------- ? There is not any try to fight racism with this thread.. These are just facts and articles about racism in US and elsewhere. I just help Albanians with their data and info when they speak about "racism in Greece" and how "good and safe for immigrants" are the other countries, unlike Greece. This thread will contain only articles. Not my personal opinion.
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Post by Niklianos on Jul 27, 2008 12:14:53 GMT -5
In reality ALL people are racist in a sense! Even many black people who claim they can't be racist say racist things about white people all the time. There is a term which describes everyones feelings about other races, etc ETHNOCENTRISM. This is the belief that you and your culture are superior to others. Everyone feels this to an extent with no exemptions. Ahem! Black ppl say racist things about white people? NO! Thats not racist! Thats anger.There's no such thing as Black racist to whites.NEVER! Especially with this world order were in.There's just no such thing as Black or coloured people racism to whites.All anger and defensiveness. Please do not make assumptions on a topic you probably know very little about. I have several very good black friends and they even pointed it out to me that there are many black people who are racist towards white people. So you believe that black people cannot be racist towards whites?? You are very mistaken. ALL PEOPLE CANN BE RACIST irrelevant of their skin color. So you say that American Blacks are only angry at white people due to the years of slavery and the Jim Crow Laws? To an extent yes, but if they hear a white person discussing Jazz or Blues I have heard their response "What do you know about that?" This meaning that your white what could you possibly know about that kind of music? This is racist and has nothing to do with being angry. There are many more examples. One final thing, those who are 'angry' at white people today are those who are uneducated and living in the projects. Black people who still have these anger issues need to get over it because the last generation of black people who were enslaved was closing in on 145 years ago. They have every opportunity these days to get a free education and other funding to improve their lives. If they don't then that is their own ignorance. There have been a huge percentage of black people who have improved their lives and moved out of poverty stricken areas. For them to be angry at white people today ignorance and RACIST! Plain and simple. So what about many Black Africans who are from countries little affected by the White Man? Can they not be racist?
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 28, 2008 9:05:59 GMT -5
no no no
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COLOURED AND BLACK RACISM TO WHITE.
Thats just silly.How could that possibly be? I mean the world is centered on Europeans.This world order today,it just cant be.
What happened in Zimbabwe toward the Europeans is immoral,but FAIR.Therefore,it is ok for the Blacks to do what they do to them there.Its not racism,it just isnt and cant be.Too silly for a Black to be racist towards white because Blacks have no gold.
It's anger and defensiveness.
I mean,ever heard of that Obama pastor slamming whites? Thats not racism.If you were not an ignorant prick and not a coward,you'll agree with what that pastor said.
I mean,most Europeans are white supremacists and they are,with the way this world is today,how could they not be? Europeans know this.I'm from Malaysia and I see those assholes come here and act like as though they own the place.
Of course all people can be racist,coloured on coloured,European on coloured,but NEVER coloured on Europeans.I said already.
I dont like white people in my country,a couple of months ago,this old white man pass by my house walking his dogs,I was looking at his dogs as he was walking pass by and then he stopped and said hello and I just looked away with this hmp! expression on my face.He then walked by my house still looking at me with a like huh? and why? kind of expression.
What dya call that Niklianos?! Me hate white? I part white myself,and I love European culture and the look of Europeans.Oh,btw,I love and hate almost everything.
The Black folks in the projects u talk about,thats just plain blame game.Of course it could well be stupidity for certain cases.But never racist.Never you fool.
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Post by yeni on Jul 29, 2008 3:42:29 GMT -5
i don't know how the greeks call it, in Hungarian this is called "neveletlenség", im not sure what is the good english equivalent for this word (in turkish terbiyesiz i think the term), it basicly means your mother, teacher etc didn't teach you how to behave. like if somebody greets you u should answer. Most ppl learn this in their childhood. So this is simply "neveletlenség".
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Post by captainalbania on Jul 29, 2008 10:01:00 GMT -5
Hellboy you are an idiot and have no comprehension of human nature.
You have no grasp of the subject material that is being discussed. Please come back when you have read some social psychology books from reputable authors and have something to contribute to the discussion.
P/S:
I belive your anti-white sentiments come from the fact that you are a mixed race person who has no identity and are not accepted as European or South-East Asian.
Perhaps you should seek a psychologist and work out your problems with him/her.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 30, 2008 13:20:03 GMT -5
No I'm not.
What is racism? Prejudice,discrimination towards another racial group.
Yeah,it can be all ways round.But nah! Not really to white,not in this world order,its just NOT THAT.
Also,my European ancestry is distant,and I pretty much grew up unaware of it until late 02.So I saw myself as a Malay Malaysian then but now mostly multiracial Malaysian.My anti-white sentiments is because........I see them act like assholes that they are and I dont get a piece the cake..........
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jul 31, 2008 8:07:27 GMT -5
Hellboy,
Your an idiot. I agree with everyone else. Yes white people have done some pretty bad stuff but who hasn't? Here in the United States the majority of hate crimes are committed by blacks on whites. Are you saying that is not racism? Only anger and defensiveness? Your a joke and it is you who is the asshole. I hope a white man craps on your face.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jul 31, 2008 21:50:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah no wonder why the white man wherever the hell your from takes all the cake. He says hi to you and you give him a dirty look. Those who come last get bones. Its not our fault that your a loser. BYEEEEE.
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 1, 2008 3:58:01 GMT -5
you dont see what I see.I am not an idiot.
Those hate crimes committed by Blacks on whites is not really racism.In fact,I dont think most of them are hate crimes at all.Just to get something from them heee heeee.........
You say racism,or whatever,because its one racial group attacking another.But,again and again and again,its not really prejudice or like the reasons why a European treats a coloured like shit.The racism from Europeans,came started from that,and now,the coloured man rises,but its not like the European way of treating another group like shit.
and panagiotopolous,your the idiot! Nothing but a stupid American neocon!
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Aug 1, 2008 9:18:30 GMT -5
^^^^ HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
"Those hate crimes committed by Blacks on whites is not really racism.In fact,I dont think most of them are hate crimes at all.Just to get something from them heee heeee........."
With your logic whites are innocent then as well and have never committed racist acts. When the Spaniards came to the Americas the only reason why they murdered and mistreated non-whites was only to get something from them, being mainly gold. So I hate to say it you are owned.
"and panagiotopolous,your the idiot! Nothing but a stupid American neocon!"
Thank you, a compliment coming from a parasite like you.
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 1, 2008 12:42:43 GMT -5
Parasite??? hmmm....how ironic!
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Aug 1, 2008 22:55:07 GMT -5
^^^^ What is ironic about it? I contribute to the society that I live in more than you can imagine. I am Greek so sorry it is not my fault that the Anglos, Jews, Spaniards, Portuguese robbed your people blind.
Also I was just curious about what you thought about Arab involvement in the slave trade?
How about Chinese involvement in the Darfur region. The Chinese are promoting the wholesale slaughter of the Southern Sudanese. If you are not familiar with Darfur they all happen to be black (or self proclaimed Arabs). Also if you are unsure of the Chinese racial classification they would also be considered non white. So the situation happens to be that the Chinese are supporting the Northern Sudanese expansion into rich Christian and animist lands in the south that are very rich in oil. In the process of expansion they are destroying anyone who gets in the way. RACISM IS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT RACE. It is even possible for people of the same race to be racist towards each other. Don't be so stupid and narrow minded.
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