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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 15:01:52 GMT -5
(The Missionary review of the world: Volume 34, 1911)
"Very much later there came the waves of Slavs and drove the Albanians, who were scattered all over the Balkan Peninsula, to the western part of modern European Turkey, where they live now."
Transylvania and the Rumanians, Alain Du Nay, André Du Nay, Árpád Kosztin, 1997, p.38
The first mention of Albanians in documents is from 1079 A.D. and refers to the territory between Ochrida and Thessalonike, and to Epirus. In present day Albania (in its northern part), they were for the first time described in the 13th century. The analysis of placenames and geographical names suggests that they lived, during the first centuries of Roman conquering on the Balkan peninsula, (also) in the northern part of present day Albania; according to Georg Stadtmüller, the center of the ancient Albanians was the area of the river Mati. There are a number of ancient Albanian geographical names in Albania, for example the river Bunë (cf. Albanian buenë, bujenë "inundation"), or Sar Planina, from Greek suggests that they lived in contact with Greeks. A large number of placenames in Macedonia and parts of Serbia show typically Albanian features: Stip, from Greek It is significant that, in contrast to Rumanian, there are Latin loanwords in Albanian which show a very ancient sound pattern, from the 1st century B.C.: Lat. cingula >Albanian qingëlë; vetus, veteris > vjetër etc. The Romance languages have inherited these words from Vulgar Latin, thus N. Rumanian chinga 'belly band, saddle girth', from *cingla; batrân 'old' from veteran, etc. - Cf. I. Popovic, Geschichte der Serbokroatischen Sprache, 1960, pp. 79-85; G. Stadtmüller, Forschungen zur albanischen Frühgeschichte, 1966; A. Rosetti, Istoria limbii române, 1986, pp. 195-197.
The Albanians: A Modern History, 2001, Page 2, by Miranda Vickers
Following the collapse of the Roman Empire and the weakening of the Byzantine Empire, the Illyrian-speaking peoples expanded once again into the Mat valley and Muzeqe plain. By then they were known to thier southern neighbors as Albani, and thier language as Albanian."
The annual of the British School at Athens: Issue 16, British School at Athens, British
School at Athens. Managing Committee - 1910
"The original home of the Dorians before they appeared in Thcssaly and Doris is by many thought to have been Illyria.The ancients thus associated Hellenic origins with Illyria. The Illyric type par excellence to-day is the Albanian.That the Albanians of Upper Albania have been in their present habitat since before the memory of man..."
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 14:39:54 GMT -5
Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231:
“Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient. Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neighboring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”.
Australian Slavonic and East European studies: journal of the Australian and New Zealand Slavists' Association and of the Australasian Association for the Study of the Socialist Countries, Volumes 4-5, 1990, p. 200:
"The oldest surviving inhabitants are the Albanians, descendants of a group of peoples known as the Illyrians, the Thracians and the Dacians".
European Diplomacy and the Balkan Problem, SP Duggan, 1913: "Albania has been the Ulster of Turkey. Its inhabitants are descendants of the Thracians and Illyrians driven into the mountains by the Slavic invaders of the seventh and later centuries. These hardy, warlike mountaineers have always been the bulwark of the Porte against the Serb advance ; for although Catholic in the north, Orthodox in the south and Mohammedan only in the middle of Albania, they have disliked the Slav more than the Turk, and they have been willing to acknowledge the sovereignty of the sultan upon the single condition that they be let alone. Under the old regime they were generally let alone...."
The provinces of the Roman Empire: from Caesar to Diocletian, Volume 1, Theodor Mommsen, 1909, p.199:
“Illyricum, that is the Roman territory between Italy and Macedonia, was in the republican time united, as to its lesser portion, with the Grraeco-Macedonian governorship, as to its greater, administrered as a land adjacent to Italy, and, after the institution of the governorship of Cisalpine Gaul, as a portion of the latter. The territory coincides to a certain degree with the widely diffused stock from which the Romans named it; it is the same whose scanty remnant still at present day, at the southern end of its formerly far-extended possessions, has preserved its own nationality and its old language under the name of Skipetars, which they assign to themselves, or, as their neighbours call them, the Arnauts or Albanians. […]This nation in its original extent filled the coast of the Adriatic Sea from the mouth of the Po through Istria, Dalmatia, and Epirus, as far as Acarnania and Aetolia, and also in the interior upper Macedonia, as well as the modern Servia and Bosnia and the Hungarian territory on the right bank of the Danube; it bordered thus on the east with the Thracian tribes, on the west with the Celtic, from which latter Tacitus expressly distinguishes them”
Ibid p. 201: Bosnia, Servia, above all Albania, were in the imperial period Illyrian, and Albania is so still”.
p.297: “Northern Epirus, which, like the adjoining Illyricum bordering on Macedonia, was in greater part inhabited by Albanian tribes and was not placed under Nicopolis, continued during the imperial period in its primitive condition, which still subsists in some measure at the present day. “Epirus and Illyricum,” says Strabo, “are in great part a desert; where men are found, they dwell in villages and in ruins of earlier towns; even the oracle of Dodona,” – laid waste in the Mithradatic war by the Thracians, - ‘is extinct like everything else”.
p. 347: “that the regions to the north of Hellas, Thessaly, and Macedonia, and at least from Trajan’s time Epirus, were in the imperial period separated administratively from Greece”.
The treasury of languages p.7: "Albanian. The vernacular tongue of modern Albania, a maritime province of European Turkey, which answers to the ancient Epirus; the inhabitants are a mixed race, including Arnauts, who areprobably descended from the ancient Illyrians, Greeks, and Turks. The ancient language, called old ILLYRIAN, and closely allied to Greek, has become mingled with SLAVONIC, written in GREEk characters. The native name of the Albanian dialect is SKIPETAR. Both terms mean ‘mountaineers’. The modern language is sub-divided into the Ghegh and the Toski."
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 14:17:14 GMT -5
here Pyrros another bonus round or you and your math equation
sclavonian mixture
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 14:03:34 GMT -5
bonus for you
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 13:48:37 GMT -5
cant trust census from 10 years ago let alone from 100 years ago when they were really trying to make a country or politics
struga is Albanian by far .....ohrid use to be
btw those alb in many areas were called turks
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 13:24:54 GMT -5
again :
"ETHNIC CHANGES IN THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE IN THE SEVENTH CENTURY" PETER CHARANIS
"The native Illyrians and Thracians of the occupied regions retired into the mountains, where they remained unnoticed till the eleventh century, when they emerged as Albanians and Vlachs "
(Me and You ) bro
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‘Thus the Illyrians and Dacians were able to retreat into the mountains at the time of the Slavic invasions and retain their identities as Albanians and Vlachs.’ THE EARLY MEDIEVAL BALKANS BY John Van Antwerp
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 12:41:24 GMT -5
The Morea (Greek: Μορέας or Μοριάς, Albanian: Moreja, French: Morée, Italian: Morea, Turkish: Mora) was the name of the Peloponnese peninsula in southern Greece during the Middle Ages and the early modern period. The name was used for the Byzantine province known as the Despotate of the Morea, by the Ottoman Empire for the Morea Eyalet, and by the Republic of Venice for the short-lived Kingdom of the Morea.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 12:34:13 GMT -5
signed in my backyard ...Prespa
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 12:07:28 GMT -5
Macedonia is tired & worn of playing politics......time to do life
Forward !
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 11:51:41 GMT -5
Macedonia is making correct move so to move forward .......ONWARD !!!!!
nema levo - nema desno ......Samo pravo
Pyrros math does not compute here
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 11:42:39 GMT -5
So you rather be a voiceless puppet of the Nazi's then part of the greater South Slavic consensus? South Slavic consensus? That died with Yugoslavia. Slovenia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and now Macedonia all NATO members - that is the new consensus amongst South Slavs. Serbia and Bosnia (if it survives) can allie with the Mongols.
"South Slavic consensus? That died with Yugoslavia."
man ...I was about to pot same exact wording to him
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 11:39:02 GMT -5
But nothing will change for Macedonia. They'll just again become pecalbari like in the Ottoman days. More and More Albanians will come to Macedonia, like in ottoman days.
cant stop laughing ...........ahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahah
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 11:34:06 GMT -5
bcs that is what Pyrros's math equation says
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 11:26:57 GMT -5
out of logic for you .....
the whole point of my posting is the use of word "Illyrians " in 1400's they knew better who /what the Illyrians are than you and you math equations that will bring down the saxon
btw Morea is not slvic ..we are not making cakes made out of berries here
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 11:01:10 GMT -5
so much wrong with that line of bs ....
Latins named and enslaved slavs /serbs ...Gave slavs free land ........but they derive from slavs bs#1
greeks gave you alphabet and religion ,they also gave slavs land .........but they derive from slavs bs#2
Germans ....regarded slavs as subhuman .......................................but they derive from slavs bs #3
easy as 123 easy math .
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 18:52:34 GMT -5
I give you others sources even slav and greek ......not one source is Albanian bcs then you would obviously cry fowl but hence all your sources are stricly majority serbian/slavic or revisionist greek ....
open your mind see what others have said about you .....otherwise serbian academy of sciences dont cut it young buddy
also note : It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians It keeps their conception of a Quasi Genetic unity of each of their races together -Fact-
............otherwise your all just cigani mesana salata
Jesus Christ could come back and tell you Albanians are a continuation of the Illyrians and you still wouldn't
believe it ,and then 99% sure you would convert to Islam in a minute and then go to Syria to sweep the streets for Asad
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 18:47:13 GMT -5
"Pyrrhus king of Epirus invaded Italy with a formidable Greek profeesional hoplite army" . Bernstein, Alvin H.; Murray, Williamson; Knox, MacGregor (1996). The Making of strategy: rulers, states, and war. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-56627-4. "The particulars of these with Pyrrhus of the Greek kingdom of Epirus." Jones, Archer (2001). The art of war in the Western world. Urbana: University of Illinois Press. p. 32. ISBN 0-252-06966-8. "Pyrrhus' Greek troops were tactically superior to the Roman army and he was never defeated in battle." Christopher Mackay (2004). Ancient Rome: a military and political history. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. pp. 49. ISBN 0-521-80918-5. "...before Pyrrhus no contact with Greece after Pyrrhus Rome and Greece in tandem" Feeney, Denis (2007). Caesar's calendar: ancient time and the beginnings of history. Berkeley: University of California Press. pp. 38. ISBN 0-520-25119-9. "the Greek adventurer king Pyrrhus" Saylor, Steven (2007). Roma: the novel of ancient Rome. New York: St. Martin's Press. pp. 332. ISBN 0-312-32831-1.
Glaucus roi d'Illyrie prend Pyrrhus sous sa protection ..Translated ......King Glaucias, enthroned and surrounded by his court, gives baby Pyrrhus his protection
Glaucias was Illyrian
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 18:24:35 GMT -5
wrong ....1415 ad...pyrros can explain it to you better maybe
also you may not speak greek but the letters are very easy for you.....try it
and you can thank Bulgaria church slavonic for giving you and all the way to Russia this alphabet (with slight variations)
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 13:57:54 GMT -5
Peter, Mackridge. "Aspects of language and identity in the Greek peninsula since the eighteenth century". Newsletter of the Society Farsarotul, Vol, XXI & XXII, Issues 1 & 2. Retrieved 2 February 2014. the “Pelasgian theory” was formulated, according to which the Greek and Albanian languages were claimed to have a common origin in Pelasgian, the Albanians themselves are Pelasgians... Needless to say, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support any of theses theories. (on the pelasgians) "Albanian identities: myth and history". Indiana University Press: 78–79. ISBN 978-0-253-21570-3. "... Such derivations, almost all of which would be rejected by modern scholars..."
from the book by Peter Mackridge:
oops it wont paste it correctly .....go to search box on that page and put in "Pelasgian " and read what it says on page 188
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Post by rex362 on Sept 7, 2018 13:47:53 GMT -5
my source is Pyrros
I give you source on each quote .......go do some homework and see if they hold
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