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Post by lokii on Jan 17, 2013 16:55:42 GMT -5
I think its name isJust cant help yourself can you you wear the instigator tag well.
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Post by lokii on Jan 16, 2013 19:15:14 GMT -5
it would be instigation if we put the monument on an open trailer and parade it up and down Belgrade boulevard back -n- forth while blowing the horn in front of the serbian war veterans office while their collecting their false pensions ..a long line
otherwise it sits in place in an Albanian area ....
Nah it is a huge provocation and the Serbs have every right to bring it down,even the US has announced it is Serbias internal issue. I think the extremist Albanians are hoping they will force Serbia to make the same mistakes as in Kosovo, I doubt that will happen and this will be a defeat for the Albanians.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 23:14:40 GMT -5
Well it aint anything new to glamorise a battle, venerate a leader imortalise a situation its been happening ever since people fought wars (Classic example is Ramses and the battle of Kadesh) what cannot be played with is the outcome/result. If you wipe away the romance and look at it in reality Nesris account is probably the most accurate although you canmot accept his view 100% either. Serbia was fracturing and Nobles where pulling Serbia apart so it is reality that the Sultan would take advantage and offer rewards, title and lands for servitude and it is natural to assume feuding lords would see the reality of their situation and take up the offers. I think the Serbs deep down know this is reality and was a case of survival,opurtunity etc, although I doubt they could ever accept Lazar as being a vassal although once you look at the situations in Serbia at the time and the minor battles fought I would easily say he was, as Nesri accounts, and later he rebeled. With the Serbs they have been taught the romanticized version and this is how they see it and to accept anytthing else is to somehow sell out, there is a lot of national pride that is attached to the romanticised version so I understand why they defend what they have been taught ferociously, but this isnt just solely the Serbs, many a battle from many a state has been romanticised to the point of legend, but these countrys have had time and relative peace to emerge from the medieval state of God, Church, King, Country.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 22:12:49 GMT -5
are you on serb payroll ?
Nah just find it incredibly interesting. As do I find the Albanian houses interesting, you know that you guys both Albanians and Serbs are very much intertwined. Unlike popular belief you guys where not always enemys and your nobles married and had children with both bloodlines, so since the nobles did, you can safely presume that the people did also.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 22:06:35 GMT -5
Ha my bad, yes 200
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 22:02:45 GMT -5
fine but lets just use common sense ...I imagine you know your grandfathers name and maybe even beyond that ...correct ?
Well yea but we are talking a blank of 6 hundred 2 Hundred years or so and a fractured horde of barbarians I would even guess that this Archon was not an actual leader but a representative of sorts chosen by the emporer to do biz with (just a best guess) probably not unlike the Albanian tribes, so traceable written history starts with the appointment of his great grandson ( it was probably a guess that they were related) which could explain not knowing his name...either way the unknown Archont makes no difference to the Serb royal houses at best he was self installed and not recognised,from his "great grandson" on they where appointed and recognized by other emporers kings etc.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 21:19:00 GMT -5
Ha we crossed posts just to let you know I added a bit more to my previous post, just a best guess thats all.
or at least he could of told his offspring his past few fathers names for future reference so they can feather pen it in ink somewhere these mighty great Serbians ?
All I know is that the Serbs did arrive to the Balkans and they obviously had their leader and were given land then there is a blank (probably fractured barbarians and wild types which is why the emporer was not a big fan) and we have his greatgrandson pulling them all together. So Anywhoo I dont know anymore than what is documented so I will leave it at that.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 21:08:41 GMT -5
better unknown than made up fabled epic poemsHeraclius's record of the white Sebs leaders name is obviously lost, we know they did arrive to the Balkans and they obviously had a leader, but anyway Viseslav his great grandson ruled from 768 to 814 according to Charlemagne, that alone discredits your previous source. ok ...so couldn't Višeslav remember his great granfathers name or anybody inbetween to leave a record of ....
I have no education but I have a little common sense so does that alone discredits sources.? I really dont know, but what I do know is it wasnt like he was interviewed,the info was written about him and his great grandfather not by him. Common sense would dictate that your previous post that described the Serbs in the 12 th century would have actualy applied to the Serbs arrival led by this leader, a fractured band of wild barbarians, until his great grandson united them.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 20:51:28 GMT -5
better unknown than made up fabled epic poems
Heraclius's record of the white Sebs leaders name is obviously lost, we know they did arrive to the Balkans and they obviously had a leader, but anyway Viseslav his great grandson ruled from 768 to 814 according to Charlemagne, that alone discredits your previous source.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 20:39:14 GMT -5
Unknown Archon ?? its starts from him ...we have his great grandson MUTI -mir but a no actual name of grandfather ...?? doesn't make sense theres Unknown lineage of several generations 200 some years I dont know but the same could be said of Albanians.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 20:38:05 GMT -5
oops ok he has changed his nik to profesional still its an insult that will be fired back.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 20:33:39 GMT -5
inbreds like this twinkle toed, darling of the serb cause Professional character,
Ok first of all lets clarify something, you refering to me ? and you Rex being a mod gonna let that stand ?
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 20:09:52 GMT -5
short lived reigns all of them .....the rest is fabled history made up from the church
they live off of epic poems
I would like to know more about MUTimir« Last Edit: Today at 3:06am by rex362 » Report to Mod - Link to Post - Back to Top Logged Just researching Mutimir of Serbia discredits your sources completly. It should be the freakin Serbs here discrediting your sources not me for fks sake, seems they have given up But I do love History so I cannot stand disinformation.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 19:35:41 GMT -5
Practically nothing was known about the serbs before 1136 when Tihomir, who was merely a shepherd, became Grand Zupan.
Hey Rex where are you getting this info from ? cause its wrong, plenty was knwn about the Serbs before 1136, maybe had you stated pre Charlemagne, before 768 little was known about the Serbs You might have been correct but boy you are way off the mark with your source. Tihomirs Father held the title of Zupan of Zahumlje, and Tihomir was definatley not a shepherd being the first born, also he was recognized as the Grand Prince of Serbia by Manuel I Comnenus.
Funny how hatred can turn into ignorance even stupidity.
Vlastimirovic dynasty,Vojislavjevic Dynasty to the Vukanovic dynasty
Viseslav Radoslav Prosigoj Vlastimir Mutimir Pribislav Peter Pavle Zaharija Caslav Tihomir Stephen Etc
And I will say also that your numerous sources you have quoted is propaganda at best and deliberatley misleads the reader, so it can hardly stand up to be any type of a credible source.
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 2:00:52 GMT -5
An explosion in the town of Mostar destroyed a monument to those who served in the wartime Bosnian Army, media reports said.Local police said that nobody was hurt in the incident that demolished the monument outside Mostar’s town hall on Sunday but refused to provide any more information while the investigation was ongoing. Bosniak and Croat politicians in Mostar have often quarrelled over the memorial, as well as another in the town that honours members of the Croat wartime force in Bosnia, the HVO. A year ago, a Croat association built its memorial with the approval of the town's authorities, but Bosnian Army veterans’ associations strongly criticised it, and at one point unknown attackers opened fire on the monument. In April last year, members of Bosniak veterans’ associations erected their own memorial only metres away from the one honouring the HVO. After the war in the 1990s, Mostar remained informally divided between its eastern, Bosniak part and its western, Croat one. Inter-ethnic incidents are often reported, particularly during sporting events. Mostar is located in the Muslim-Croat Federation entity of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The country's other entity is Republika Srpska. www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/memorial-dedicated-to-bosnian-army-members-blown-up
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 1:51:05 GMT -5
Agreed the Lynx is an amazing looking animal.
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Post by lokii on Jan 14, 2013 16:21:01 GMT -5
lol love the expresions on Jeremics face.
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Post by lokii on Jan 14, 2013 15:54:09 GMT -5
Yep thats exactly the situation, and by overwriting my edit (restoring the original insult), caused others to come in and insult his family.
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Post by lokii on Jan 13, 2013 3:24:50 GMT -5
Well I aint a Serb but what is wrong with the quote from Malcolm ? rings true in every sense. never mind, lets not advertise here a complete cyco, a paid agent by his country's authorities to spread hatred in the balkans. The guy is an unbelievable moron, has not stepped foot in neither bosnia nor serbia for more than the absolutely necessary (collect false data by false witnesses or otherwise prove that he knows his thing). An unbelievable moron. Ok fair enough but I referenced one quote and it does hold up as correct, do you not agree ? forgeting bias or no, that one quote rings true.
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Post by lokii on Jan 12, 2013 20:42:24 GMT -5
I think Pakistan is number 98I think one of the African states "Sao Tome and Principe" just rescinded their recognition could be back to 97.
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