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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 18:42:03 GMT -5
I should charge for this sort of schooling. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo#History1321-1331 89 settlements with 2,666 households were recorded of which:[26] 3 Albanian settlements (3,3%) 86 Serbian settlements (96,6%) let's jump ahead cause we like jumping ahead... Turkish Tax census 1455 : 13,000 Serb dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns 75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages 46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages 17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages 5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vučitrn 1 Jewish dwelling in Vučitrn 1 Croat dwelling and go further ... BIG LEAP are you following? Austrian numbers study done in 1871 when it came around 1876 is when the starting of Serb cleansing... onward into/during the Greek-Ottoman war, hundreds of thousands of Serb from that alone were cleansed out of Kosovo. What happened to the Serbs is not a mystery, use your head. This isn't even what we were debating, so I'll take it you folded so yes we're moving on.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 17:25:31 GMT -5
Stop insulting the semites, they gave you everything. Did you finally look up the origin of the Star of David on that Skenderbeg flag? You should get on that. Are you going to take off from your profile pic the symbol of the Komnene and then later Palaiologoi family?
Star of David was used as a Christian symbol as well. Everything related with Christianity/Islam has Jewish roots, including the bible itself.
Do you understand how much of a schmut you look like when you try to lower the figure of Skenderbeg down why it was a six angled star on top on the two headed eagle?
Untermenschen of a Sarmatian What the hell is with your comprehension skills... I am not lowering Skandenbeg thats needs to clear. Look at this loaded statement of yours, are you retarded? You're saying the Star of David is a "Christian symbol" as well - yet affirming that all religions stem from Judaism. Who gives a flying f**k? The Star of David is a JEWISH SYMBOL of IDENTITY, so even when Christians use it they are referring to the chosen ones - the jews. This is on that flag, and you cannot say the Star of David on the Skanderbeg flag is representing Christianity - they would've put a cross if they wanted to symbolize Christianity - just full stop - you're rationalizing with nonsense.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 15:11:24 GMT -5
You are dumber than I thought. Why pretend to have a brain for yourself when you're just another crumb of the cattle? To the first video, my response to you.
What do you know about Bashar besides what the mainstream tells you? and how about Qadafi? He was more of nationalist than a Islamist but what do your know about that? What you going to do when the Western media declares war on the albanians broadcasting extremism across the world? You going to shift your opinion again? you going to play hop-skotch on diluted facts hoping to shape an image which you can identify with and feel good about? gtfo you've lost your privilege to gain anything out of this. to the second video:
some youtube nerd puts a video together and you get all crazy... if this is what you do with your time you have issues. ..... ..... You are a retard if you think Bashar and Qaddafi are semetic followers going along their agenda how do you explain what happened to them you demented c**t. How do you explain your logic besides copying and pasting diagrams? How can you be so anti-muslim when over 90% of your own people are muslim are you sick? and you're an albanian "nationalist" at the same time LMAO!! you're a walking negation, you cancel yourself out and it wont be long till you start changing your opinions again and probably turn back to Islam. I am NOT only anti-Muslim. I am also Anti-Christianity and Anti-Judaism. I am so because I do NOT support nothing that has a Semitic Origin. Christianity/Islam/Judea are Abrahamic streams. STOP trying to differentiate yourself form the Muslims. You re the same schit. Gaddafi and Bashar are not only Semitc followers but are also Semitic themselves. And so are you and all the other Sarmatians like yourself. Stop insulting the semites, they gave you everything. Did you finally look up the origin of the Star of David on that Skenderbeg flag? You should get on that. ![](http://worldpics.com.au/Albania/flags/slides/albania1444.gif) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) If I were you - carrying all that hate - I would be concerned ...
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 15:07:34 GMT -5
if there were any deep rooted anemosity between christian and muslim albs that would have been evident today or even in the lead up to the independence, league of prizren or even the choice of alphabet, the fact that muslim albs take pride in scanderbeg is indicative of their mindset and affinity,everyone united for a common national goal and everyone put the survival of their identity as a priority rather than religious belief, people make a lot of fuss over religion, as far as kosova, that land belong to whoever is living there or has lived there for centuries, it was never serbian land because serbs are very late arrivals, it was just a settlement they used and then moved further up north, just like with northern greece and south of albania, its no different, how can you claim a country where no slav has set foot for over 600 years? The anemosity was "forgoten", it was stemmed out by the Ottomans - this goes back to what I was saying how the Albanian were being strategic in thinking the Ottomans were the reality of things and were "adapting". Skanderbeg had other goals besides uniting the Albanians, it's not black and white like that adt... there's a lot of other factors that need to be considered in order to perform such a feat. Muslim Albanians taking pride in Skanderbeg is not a problem for me, it just shows that they don't really understand what he was about - you're talking like today's mentality is relevent to what we're discussing. In one sentence you say... "as far as kosovo, that land belong to whoever is living there or has lived there for centuries" and in the next right over you say... " it was never serbian land because serbs are very late arrivals"... however you fail to understand the demographics of the time, Serbs were the overwhelming majority of Kosovo prior to the Ottoman arrival - Albanians have no history in Kosovo aside from being implanted there by the Ottomans. - So I guess you're failing back on the Illyrian-claim again to justify the Albanization of Kosovo... tisk tisk... again relying on the ancients to justify present-day motives... so sad - so primitive.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 14:56:55 GMT -5
You a try'n nothing, you a try'n to get NATO and America to try'n do sometin ... but there's no "ethnic cleansing" this time...
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 11:42:31 GMT -5
Just like everyone has expected... Albanians urge U.S. to “take Preševo valley from Serbia”
In a letter to former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Front suggested the U.S. to “take the Preševo valley away from Serbia” by declaring it its “overseas territory” like the Panama Canal, Skopje-based daily Nova Makedonija writes. www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=07&nav_id=84572LMFAO!!!
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 19:02:58 GMT -5
I am not debating his significance, I am arguing that most Albanians take the wrong approach using Skanderbeg which ultimately contradicts current Albanian position entirely.
He was killing Muslims across the board, like any Balkan freedom fighter at the time he did not look at conversions lightly. I think this is the big lie, how Skanderbeg is used also as hero for the Muslim populas while they ignore what he was doing.
This is where you just have to use your head. Christian Albanians did not look so proudly upon the Muslim Albanians throughout the whole period - this is just logic, the Muslims had it easier under Ottoman rule whether it be minor or major implications, they were priority over the Christians - the Christian Albanians knew this and many of them still stook it out till the end and even to this day.
Yes I know I am jumping periods drastically I am just trying to get my point out there as you can maybe tell I have a lot to say. You tell me where you want to stick with.
You are totally misunderstanding what I am saying. I am not a xenophobe just because I acknowledge the brutality of the era, the point is time's have changed and for the better, we are not like that anymore. Religion meant something in the Balkans during the ottoman times PERIOD-END OF STORY, how can you argue otherwise, it was being used by all sides for benefits in numerous ways. For the Serbs, the Church acted as a sanctuary from the Ottomans, they were the heritage centers the biggest roles our Church played through those times had little to do with "God" but rather the nation and preservation through times of serious oppression. About the conversions, yes it was their choice I am not doubting that however the entire nation decided to make that move together it happened really fast - why? I personally think [alliance], the Albanians accepted the Ottomans as a "reality" and were adapting. Their heart maybe wasn't there, but on the surface they wanted to seem more Ottoman-like - opportunity.
Christianity fucked over Europe entirely - even with Serbs Christianity was at times used wrong. This is religion for you. The purpose is all the same. If we all stayed Pagan we'd be fine.
WOW you couldn't be more wrong. Firstly, Kosovo was Serbia before the Ottomans set foot in the Balkans, how do you not know this? I dare you to look at the number of Serbs that were living there AT THAT TIME, go ahead ...quick search online even will take you somewhere. Then look at the numbers following the "during period" how we started to shrink and you gain/grow in numbers. This wasn't by accident. This was the Ottomans fucking with us.
The Kosovo Battle of 1389 has nothing to do with the legitimacy Serbs have over Kosovo, you Albanians are so wrong, now I know why you focus so much on that battle trying to discredit it lol.
No, I mis-typed that. During the Ottoman era - mostly Albanians in the North.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 16:04:17 GMT -5
Two Serb children wounded in blast in K. Mitrovica
According to reports, "an unidentified individual threw an explosive device at a Serb house in the Bosniak (Bošnjačka) Mahala neighborhood". www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=05&nav_id=84519Kosovo: Serb arrested after attack on Serb children
The Kosovo police, KPS, also released the man's name, saying that Srđan Stojanović's home was searched when a hand grenade was discovered - "M75, similar to the one that exploded in the home of the Vučetić family". However, the Vučetić family on Tuesday rejected the possibility that Stojanović threw the hand grenade at their home. www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=05&nav_id=84526look how quick the K-"police" are to release his name, jumping into defensive mode trying to prove it wasn't an Albanian... they never released a name before I guess we know it's cause they were always Albanians. very strange.... in the meantime... Suspected attacker on Serb children released from custody
“What is certain is that he is charged with illegal weapons possession,” said Kosovo police Regional Spokesman Besim Hoti and added that “the public prosecutor will decide on the content of the indictment”. Stojanović was the first to help the injured children after the blast and he drove them to the hospital. www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=06&nav_id=84542 and he drove them to the hospital...? how come the Kosovo "police" didn't mention that piece information when they initially got him and released a statement... No doubt he's guilty of having grenades and other weapons in his possession but this is Kosovo for crying out loud everyone's got fire power in their homes. The Kosovo "police" are just distracting the public from reality, Serbs everyday endure violent attacks and acts of discrimination from the Albanians. another example of Albanians trying to pull a fast one; Albanian cemetery in southern Serbia desecrated
BUJANOVAC -- Several tombstones were damaged last night at an Albanian cemetery in ethnically-mixed village of Oslare near the southern town of Bujanovac. www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=02&dd=03&nav_id=84500you seriously trying to have us believe Serbs were behind this act? This was talked about for one day and immediately pulled off the table cause you know we know.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 13:27:26 GMT -5
You think I'm lying? We'd never talk politics we know better - business is very good.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 13:23:19 GMT -5
lol how many Serbs do you know?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 13:17:06 GMT -5
It's funny how it's always the Non-SERB giving this guy the attention he hungers for.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 13:08:25 GMT -5
Hoxha brainwashed the Albanians to think what people like rex think today. I know more about Skandenbeg than you do and most others' I have conversed with in here - I am actually quite confident that I know more about Albanian history than you do - you don't seem to know much at all, hence all the high-fives and +1's you post after reading something which makes your tummy feel warm ...lol... gtfo! bring adt back! why do u insist on being such an idiot? that is just factually inaccurate, the flag raised in 1912, 3 decades before communism was istalled, was that of the Kastrioti family, so just that right there proves you don't know s**t and simply pluck things out of thin air. yes Scanderbeg was a peripheral figure for a couple of centuries due to many factors, you simply would not encounter knowledge of him from peasants and nomal folk but among the elite i would imagine he was known, mind you, the noble families of albania were all but obliterated after the collapse of the resistance towards the 15'th centuary, muzaka, topiaj, dukagjini, balshaj were all extinguished....they either fled or were persecuted and the rest were subjugated. i heard a prominent albanian historian who has a doctorate in medieval history Pellumb Xhufi, that he has seen the name Skendebe in registers in the 17'th centuary of nobility around the Mat region, people naming their kids after him, and around the northern region his name was always kept alive.......but for most part it has to be said he was a fairly dormant figure, but there as reasons for that, he started to emerge into the wider conciousness into the 18'th centuary, much earlier than communism. whether he was celebrated throughout or forgotten periodically, matters very little, what is important is his symbolism, the fact that he tried to unite albanian tribes and create an albanian entity, but you do not seem to understand that very significance. Skandenbeg was used by the communists, but his ressurection was before. He was be honored by Western European by the 15th Century, Albanians took up Skandenbeg as their national icon during the late 1800's. There's a huge gap man, this is when your "national-awakenening" occured coincidentally during the rise of Austria. I am not saying he wasn't recognized after he died, for his deeds and accomplishements of course he was but this was strictly among the Christians, so it was only on a smaller scale - but on a national level he wasn't recognized. Try to understand the situation when the word was out that Skanderbeg was dead, the Christians moreso than the Muslims were devastated this needs to be understood before we go anywhere. I know you're tying to say no one was fundamental, but even so if the Albanians who converted only did so for an easier life, imagine how the Christian Albanians who DIDN'T and refused to convert, felt. You think they were "OK" with that? Don't look at it so basic, religion was a tool as much as an identity during this period. You guys say yourself you were scattered tribes with no unity and "NEEDED" something, back then it was Islam, now it's Skanderbeg. I personally beleive the Christians Albanians were alot more connected with the Serbs than you guys and many of my own give credit for - to the point where there were Albanians saying their Slavic, while identifying solely as Albanian - I also think the majority of the Christian Albanians back then had Slavic ancestry. There's all kinds of combinations one can think of. I think both sides try to hide this because since then (pre-Ottoman), we have a turbulent history, it's easier to come up with reasons to hate each other rather than finding something we can agree on. Now, more than ever.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 6, 2013 0:27:54 GMT -5
Microbial MetallurgyMeet the bacterium that pulls gold ions out of solution and forms tiny nuggets of the precious metal. By Bob Grant | February 5, 2013 ![](http://www.the-scientist.com/images/Nutshell/February2013/Gold310.jpg) Researchers have found that a bacterial species stimulates the formation of gold particles in its environment as a way to survive in solutions containing toxic gold ions. The bacterium, Delftia acidovarans, secretes a compound dubbed delftibactin that precipitates gold ions, causing them to clump into nuggets. Canadian researchers, who published their work inNature Chemical Biology this week (February 3), grew the bacteria in the presence of gold ions and found that gold nanoparticles began accumulating in the solution. They also identified the genes responsible for producing delftibactin and shuttling it outside of the bacterial cells. Frank Reith, an environmental microbiologist at the University of Adelaide in Australia who was not involved in the study, told Nature that the discovery could in the future help clean up toxic gold mine waste water, while recovering more gold from the slurry. “The idea could be to use a bacterium or metabolite to seed these waste-drop piles, leave them standing for years, and see if bigger particles form,” he said.
Microbial Metallurgy
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 22:08:20 GMT -5
ok ok ....I told you I dont have higher education like some of you here or else I would be dangerous I sipmly used the word athiest as a non believer ....case closed NOW ......about Obilic ......tell me about your finding of why not ....Did you find out Milo Obili was a Catholic finally its about fricken time a serb admitted it .... I honestly don't know where I stand with Obilic. I tend to think the name was given after the fact but then what's the name of the assassin? This "epic" is not a big deal, it's only meant for theatrics just like any epic true or false, they serve the same purpose. The overall battle is another deal though, skepticism surrounding Obilic has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 19:04:27 GMT -5
I put in that "athiest/pagan" thing up to tease it up a bit ....now relax * but when I was first used it I was referring to the period of the middle ages like 3rd-15th century . when mono religion came into play and afterwards .....so basically I was trying to say when Christianity came into play Albanians were either non believers(atheist) or still stuck or couldn't let go of paganism I understand what you meant, but unfortunately that's impossible. There was no science back then, how else do you think the Albanians or whatever you were called back then explained existence-life-death? I am sure they weren't monkeys living in trees... they had brains, and wondered right? it was normal for people to search out of their realm for explanations. To use the word "atheist" for [back-then] is wrong. It's not like they followed darwinism. It didn't have to be through traditional-religion - as I said the Illyrians had their-own Gods and were fanatical for our standards and I am not making this up!!! look it up yourself ...you should have already... these are your ancestors I thought!!!!
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:49:27 GMT -5
He only knew how to write in cyrillic and was only heard/witnessed speaking Serbian and Greek. You're last paragraph got the better of yourself - you totally - as always missed the point. Yes he was about Albanian unity, yes he was fighting for Albanian liberty but it wasn't long till all his people forgot about him... and was ressurected during the commie times undert that clown of yours hoxha to stir nationalism - something non-existant since the Ottomans for you people. For Centuries Albanians didn't recognize Skandenbeg as anything - this wasn't till hundreds of years after the Rest of Europe recognized him as a Christian Hero. You ever wonder why? I am not attacking Skandenbeg, quite the opposite you dumbf**k - I am attacking how morons like you interprete him. Communism ressurected Skenderbeg? lolll In High Albania, by Edith Durham, he is mentioned many times on how well revered he was by the people. Well before Hoxha was even born. Where do tarts like you come from? Acting like you are an expert after reading an internet article or two. Hoxha brainwashed the Albanians to think what people like rex think today. I know more about Skandenbeg than you do and most others' I have conversed with in here - I am actually quite confident that I know more about Albanian history than you do - you don't seem to know much at all, hence all the high-fives and +1's you post after reading something which makes your tummy feel warm ...lol... gtfo! bring adt back!
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:43:48 GMT -5
ummm, no... this is where you fail: You bring up the 1389 myth not realizing the optimal moments that ARE in fact relevant are undisputed and recorded. Your version of this myth only includes Obilic either a) being an Alb or b) non-existant... pick ONE... you keep hoping each side when it's convenient, almost as convenient when Skandenbeg came back into the picture ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ... and what.. the "famous-las supper speech" is also a fake according to you? ok... but that has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING. Serbs still fought that batter against the Turks - both sides getting destroyed. No matter how you play off the Kosovo battle of 1389 as a myth, KOSOVO IS STILL SERBIAN. Who reads poetry for history? Obviously you do, cause everything in your above quote is backwards from reality... again with you atheist-pagan crap... what the hell does that mean? how do YOU draw the line of when a people are atheist or pagan... your people... the Albanian especially needed religion to identify themselves, this is MORE THAN OBVIOUS when looking at the history of your peoples' conversions - switching loyalties over like changing underwear. side note: The Illyrians were fanatics about religion I am actually surprised you didn't know that- I guess that's more ammo for me. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:18:47 GMT -5
it's an inside thing... you wont get it.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:14:24 GMT -5
says the Catholic Alb... ohhhh the irony!!!!
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 5, 2013 18:05:20 GMT -5
yea but for you it happened in a very high energy super Tesla religious charge of epic poems written by clerics ... which you put your defeated as Jesus Christ's Galore .....must of been them darn clerics and their Church Slavonic Possibly could of been only the Bogomils and Albanians there ....the only two that were made kopils by the turks for the killing of the Sultan ....why not you serbs ...if you were there also that is .....hmmmmm with my ice skating capabilities(as Canaris calls it )and with my math it either puts you not there or on the Turkish side of things oops Brankovic comes to mind here ....hmmmm btw you serbs were calling him Kopil-ovich just yesterday now i see an urgency to be calling him Obilic I see ahhahhahaha I still don't get your point. Say for instance both Lazar and Obilic are fiction... who cares!!!! ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? the battle happened, do or die... both sides got ravaged and it ended in devastation for both sides. Someone had to lead the Serbs ,, RIGHT??? if not Lazar then, WHO? I personally think Obilic is exagerated (happy ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) )but that doesn't change anything!!! According to the Turks their Sultan died at the hand of a Serbian assassin. It was the Serbs who NAMED this assassin, so it's very possible the name is a fake, BUT the person was very real. Every European Nation glorifies their own battles to the point of fantasy - if you know history you know this. Stop picking on the Serbs we are no different than any other Europeans. Same goes for your hate against the Church, EVERY European nation at one point in time depended on the Church for culture-continuity.
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