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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 10, 2013 17:43:38 GMT -5
If your woman doesn't have a problem with a dude putting his hands on her, you let the hoe go. I agree with you all the way. A real man doesn't deal with BS and drops the hoe.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 21:19:03 GMT -5
Actually, I answered to each paragraph in order to be even more clear. You're the one twisting words to suit a certain argument of-the-moment - then you twist again to back to where you stood before.
Go ahead, break the quotes down like I did and give me your interpretation. It's easy to copy-paste - it's harder to think for yourself.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 21:13:54 GMT -5
Kanaris has been following what me and you have been debating.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:54:39 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA great thread.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:25:12 GMT -5
LMAOOOO!!!!! i'll leave you two love birds alone in here
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:22:38 GMT -5
"The conversions have been detrimental to the Albanians in more than one way: during Ottoman rule, they had to serve as mercenaries in the Turkish army. Sent to far away countries, they were decimated in wars or succumbed to climates to which they were not used while the other nations of the Balkans cultivated their land and grew in population." ----HAHAHA the conversions led the albs to "serve as mercenaries" ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) OBVIOUSLY!!! it was their choice. This isn't news to anyone except the Albs. "In the 19th century, their desperate efforts to shake off Ottoman rule were ignored by the West and whereas the other Balkan nations were not merely allowed but also aided to constitute themselves as states, the Albanians, the oldest nation in the Balkans, were denied the right to do so." ----You were Balkan traitors, simple as that. "It is because of their conversions that they lost the greatest part of their territories to neighboring states for Gladstone favored the Christians whom he considered as the allies of the Western Powers whilst he regarded Moslems as inferior; civilization being - according to him - equated with Christianity." ----So now you blame the Albanians for converting, as in it's because of that you lost "all your terriroties", is this a joke? .... The remaining Christian nations in the Balkans were clearely the better people to place your bets on against the Ottomans... stop pretending to be dumb. Why would Western Europe entrust their fate in a people that seemingly without hesitation converted to the religion of the Empire they were against.... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?? "Religion was also taken as a pretext for plans made by neighboring states to transplant to Turkey the Albanians who as a result of peace treatise had remained in the territories ceded by the Great Powers to neighboring states." ----YOu guys placed all your bets on the Ottomans, accepting that they were your future. You were wrong, so here we are now. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) " F. Konitza, pointed out that the Albanians are fully aware that the conversions are cause of many of their grievances and misfortunes while remaining at the same time perfectly conscious that if they had remained Christians, they would have been absorbed by their neighbors." So if the Albs remained Christian they would have been absorbed by their neighbours? Is this you thinking that, or the author? Because that really shows what significance the Albanians had - nothing-none-ziltch-NADA. For the same token, it also implies how Religion was INDEED used as a tool for the Albanians. So there goes your theory of "not-using" religion. You "used" it more than anybody. Good read rex, I agree with everything - however your hopeful interpretation is totally wrong, I hope I helped.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:12:27 GMT -5
you believe that converting to islam, a process of 4 centuries, warrants massacres? for you, that is reason enough to kill an entire race? what the f**k is wrong with you, you breivik motherf**ker! You forget all the cleansings and masacres the Albanians have done under the name of the Ottomans. What do you think Kosovo was about? ... w/e I know this is where we disagree but maybe you have a better understanding.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:07:46 GMT -5
Exactly, it was politically motivated - they saw the Ottomans as the future and accepted the terms they indoctrinated.
Then you guys cry about Serbs and Greeks massacering you after the Turks left.... seriously, what did you expect?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:05:26 GMT -5
Rex I asked you to get to the bottom line and you respond by saying im "grasping for straws" LMAOOO look at the idiots I deal with on a daily basis...it's no wonder the Albs were always led, and never leaders. Dear Mother America You 'appropriated' Kosovo for us, please 'obtain' Presevo too. We'll come back for bits of Greece, Montenegro, Macedonia (and anything else we have forgotten to list) later. We don't want a mono-ethnic Greater Albania - that is all lies. However, we would appreciate it if you would drive out foreigners for us if they fail to love us totally. This all our land since millions of years ago when we were Dinosaurs - just like your land was marked out for European Settlers since before the bible was written. I know we are supposed to be islamic, but don't take that too seriously. We are not Arabs and God is on our side too. I don't quite know what God the Serbs worship, but it can't be the same one as us. We don't have vendetta against Serbs - but the Italians taught you how important that can be, so please understand if we get a little bit that way. Also, our international trade is an essential part of your economic recovery - people importing would be easier if it was legalised, but on the other hand please don't legalise street-level-pharmaceuticals because it would put us out of business. With love from your child and your invention, Kosov'a' PS God bless America (Bob, 7 February 2013 17:56) Read more: illyria.proboards.com/thread/36803/kosovos-law-order#ixzz2KM78IXimROFLMAO
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 19:01:27 GMT -5
You're an idiot rex. In the article YOU posted it even states that it was KFOR who sent the warning and it was them who were initially concerned BEFORE everyone else.
Everything happening there NOW is because of KFOR - know your politics man. Serbs now are reacting to the initial KFOR warnings.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 18:57:15 GMT -5
who gives a s**t? why is that a concern? a better question is, why didn't everyone convert? It's a legit question, I'm just wondering: Was it politically motivated or did they think Islam was the real-enlightened religion? For those who didn't convert, the answer is simple; They wanted to stay the same (whatever that meant to them). You keep forgetting the fact that Muslims had more privelages that the Christians... so indeed, imagine those who didn't convert..... why ?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 18:51:12 GMT -5
rex... get to the bottom line already, how do you justify Albanians who are threatening to attack this monastery?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 18:48:19 GMT -5
Yes I know you have trouble with literacy. "I know this is vaguely documented but what do you think was behind the massive rate of conversions among the Albanians? Was it politically motivated, or do you think they thought it was an "enlightened"-move to make" ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 18:32:28 GMT -5
The monastery was established in a chestnut grove by Serbian King Stefan Uroš III Dečanski in 1327. Its original founding charter is dated to 1330. The following year the king died and was buried at the monastery, which henceforth became his popular shrine. Indeed, the epithet Dečanski refers to the king's foundation of the monastery. The construction was continued by his son Emperor Stefan Uroš IV Dušan until 1335, but the wall-painting was not completed until 1350.
The monastic church, dedicated to Christ Pantocrator and built from blocks of red-purple, light-yellow and onyx marble, was constructed by builders working under a FRANCISCAN friar, VITUS OF KOTOR. The church is distinguished by its imposing size and Romanesque and early Gothic structure and design. Apart from the extensive and well preserved fresco cycles the interior features the original 14th-century stone templon, the throne of the hegumen and the carved wooden sarcophagus of the founder King Stefan. ---
Who cares the Catholics were also involved - this shows the mutual respect. You're arguing for something different - you're looking for reasons to justify these animalistc behavors as you always do. You still have trouble looking at yourself in the mirror - maybe you see an Italian like James Belushi does.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 18:25:34 GMT -5
the link works for me .. The monastery of Decani, built in 1325-1335. Its architect was Vita of Cattaro, a Catholic ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Vita of Cattaro? Show me. BTW the Cattaro dynasty is Serb-descent from Montenegro, originally Orthodox.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 18:07:59 GMT -5
1321-1331 89 settlements with 2,666 households were recorded of which:[26] 3 Albanian settlements (3,3%) 86 Serbian settlements (96,6%) lol, ok so we're saying all across kosova there were 2700 households? i thought that plac was teeming with serbs, seriously how can you rely on this sort of crude data, who recorded the population then? where was this data taken from? you cannot rely on wiki information, they could just be anything, i don't know if i can trust data for the 13 hundreds, its just laughable, but even if we take these figures on board then it just shows how sparsely populated kosova was so it was fair game fro everyone, i don't think you can calim ownership with 2000 serb households. now this is just not accurate, wwe know that there were more albanian residing in kosova by mid 14 hundreds, that's common knowledge, was this census conducted on predominantly serb inhabited regions? i wanna know the area that the census was conducted....again underpopulated. now this is just either inaccurate or distorted for your purposes, has anyone conducted a proper inquiry into this? i don't wanna look at wiki links and one sided unsubstantiated claims, i'm not saying that you're wrong i am just saying that so by the late 18 hundreds serbs fled kosova and no one has any records of that ever happening and at the same time we have numerous massacres committed by serbs towards albanians around those times so how could it be that serbs were fleeing??? makes no sense to me at all. who the f**k cleansed the serbs from kosova? albanians were fighting against the ottomans towards the last decades of the 18'th centuary, we were fighting for survival while serbs became stronger and stronger as that centuary went on, you had powerful allies and were an independent state, how is it that serbs in kosova were driven out? that is recent enough, why is it not recorded, where did 300k serbs go? that is a significant number of people, did they leave willingly or were pushed out, nothing adds up here. Why are you so dumb... you said; "there is no evidence whatsoever of kosova having an overwhelming serbian population" - and I proved otherwise, now you're getting technical with the evidence. The wiki link was to simplify where you can start, that's if you care to know more about the history of Kosovo's demographics. Serbs got stronger and stronger b/c we were united, we had organization and manpower. You think the Turks wanted the Serbs to grow and become stronger? This is the type of thinking your displaying right now... How did the Muslim Albanians have it worse than the Serbs is beyond me how you can conclude that. If that were the case, then the Albanians really failed - not only did they abandon their heritage to adapt and conform into a new one, but then they gained really nothing of it and only the opposite happened. I know this is vaguely documented but what do you think was behind the massive rate of conversions among the Albanians? Was it politically motivated, or do you think they thought it was an "enlightened"-move to make?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 8, 2013 17:59:38 GMT -5
Man, what's your problem?
It was KFOR that brought these threats to everyone's attention - the Italians in specific.
Serbs have right to be concerned here, you're being irrational - you're in limbo - you want to support the attacks but are careful - so you critisize the Serbs instead of looking at the root-issue.
(ps that last link doesn't work for me - are you now arguing the Albs built this monastery?... please say it ain't sooo LMAOO!!! )
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 20:35:01 GMT -5
Albs... pulling a fast-one ep4... 35-year-old Habilaj’s sham story exposed. He had claimed to be Farid Ademi, a refugee from war-torn Kosovo, when he arrived in Britain on “the back of a lorry” in September 1998. He claimed his brother had been tortured to death and his father was killed in the fighting. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4733553/Asylum-liars-cop-intel-job.htmlUK hunt for Albanian double murder suspect - feb 4th www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21319576Most wanted' trafficking man Albanian Hysni Sokolaj may be in Leicester - feb 5th unrelated www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/wanted-trafficking-man-Albanian-Hysni-Sokolaj/story-18041832-detail/story.html#axzz2KGef45OtAlbanian gangster behind three murders is STILL in the UK despite 19 court battles to extradite him www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267156/Ndricim-Sadushi-Albanian-gangster-murders-STILL-UK-despite-19-court-battles-extradite-him.html#axzz2KGey6zuWAlbanian prisoners to be sent back
A wave of Albanian prisoners held in England and Wales will be sent back to their home country to finish their sentences. The move, which is expected to save taxpayers around £25 million over the next 10 years, should see the first batch of prisoners deported in around two months' time. www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/albanian-prisoners-to-be-sent-back-29014876.htmlAlbanian Muslim sentenced to federal prison for terrorism charges
On Wednesday, in the U.S. District Court Brooklyn, N.Y., Agron Hasbajrami, an Albanian national who resided in Brooklyn, learned he will spend the next 15 years in federal prison for his attempt to provide material support to terrorists. www.examiner.com/article/albanian-muslim-sentenced-to-federal-prison-for-terrorism-chargesMurder trial told financial adviser was 'Albanian crime gang mole' news.stv.tv/scotland/210197-financial-adviser-murder-trial-told-police-searched-hostage-house/Gangs shipping migrants onto Devon and Cornwall coast with luxury yachts
Investigators in the Brittany capital Rennes have begun probing what they believe may be a highly organised network of criminals who are using ports on the north coast of Brittany as a jumping off point. Controls there are less frequent than those at Calais, Boulogne and Dunkirk. It has emerged that 15 Albanian migrants without papers were found huddled in the cabin of a £100,000 yacht, on January 12, by Customs officers from Cherbourg. They were carrying out a routine check on a yacht, based in Brittany, which was heading north across the Channel towards the Westcountry. www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Gangs-shipping-migrants-Devon-Cornwall-coast/story-18066494-detail/story.html#axzz2KGhZHpYNmy my look at all the talk... this week alone.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 20:29:18 GMT -5
www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=84572Dear Mother America You 'appropriated' Kosovo for us, please 'obtain' Presevo too. We'll come back for bits of Greece, Montenegro, Macedonia (and anything else we have forgotten to list) later. We don't want a mono-ethnic Greater Albania - that is all lies. However, we would appreciate it if you would drive out foreigners for us if they fail to love us totally. This all our land since millions of years ago when we were Dinosaurs - just like your land was marked out for European Settlers since before the bible was written. I know we are supposed to be islamic, but don't take that too seriously. We are not Arabs and God is on our side too. I don't quite know what God the Serbs worship, but it can't be the same one as us. We don't have vendetta against Serbs - but the Italians taught you how important that can be, so please understand if we get a little bit that way. Also, our international trade is an essential part of your economic recovery - people importing would be easier if it was legalised, but on the other hand please don't legalise street-level-pharmaceuticals because it would put us out of business. With love from your child and your invention, Kosov'a' PS God bless America (Bob, 7 February 2013 17:56) LMFAO!!!!
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 7, 2013 20:12:38 GMT -5
You a try'n nothing, you a try'n to get NATO and America to try'n do sometin ... but there's no "ethnic cleansing" this time... its about time you confessed and acknowledged the last one ...thank you HA! I confess nothing, by now you should know there was no ethnic cleansing or genocide in Kosovo, that's outdated information. Do the Albanians even know she wont be secretary of state much longer? They got to start licking Kerry's ass first, then start moving along with taking up arms threatening the nation of Serbia, don't forget to stage a massacre give it the theatrics it needs, only one but make it sweet - some good tearful poses for the camera, some dressed up mannequins lying around here and there in the streets and it wont be long till we have another Kosovo scenario... but wait, you think people will fall for the same trick? Everyone is already expecting for the Albs to act this way...
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