Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 12:37:31 GMT -5
Ok. As I said Yugoslavia was bound to come apart, it was a false nation and a false economy with many deficits. In the late 80's the old communists such as Milosevic and then later Franjo saw their way to be a part of something new. Unfortunately independence came with war and much bloodshed. Because of these two men and many others for a couple years leading to the war, much propaganda was slung first by preko drina and then on our side when we knew something was impending and they thought by declearing independence a war would start. So naturally they needed support and people you thought were your neighbours were not (which they wern't all along anyway!) because of this propaganda! If we just became an independent state decades earlier (which many people wanted all along but we had no int'l support for) in peace and truth none of this would have happened. This is why I too blame Croats for letting this occur, letting Yugoslavia last so long and letting our own people betray us and use us when the s**t hit the fan.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 12:10:17 GMT -5
Sure every citizen had arms, bullet proof vests etc to defend themselves right? You got to be kidding right?
Skoric I don't need no quotes. He clearly knew what would eventuate, an impending war. As he said, Serb supremecy a thing of the past, no matter how much Milosevic wanted to keep it going. So he made comments in response to that. Any opposition would do that.
MiG, the main issue in my eyes was money, economics and greed, but then again these same principles were applied while it was still in existance. Also I didn't think a made up country and economy such as Yugoslavia could have lasted anyway, no matter how much anyone wanted to save it. At the beginning some people were all for Yugoslavia, to only see a few years later what they were promises i.e jobs etc did not eventuate. Just see the mass excodus of Croats for key areas from late 40's to say mid 50's to the States because of this. It's simple maths.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 11:58:05 GMT -5
^ Dam yeah forgot about that...hmm ok it can be San Marino then or the Vatican? All you need is a bit of holy water, a rijeka and who needs Neum then? :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 11:54:56 GMT -5
I wa being a smart ass in response to some Serb comments here. Yes it's difficult, read my sig, znam to :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 11:53:31 GMT -5
Was reffering to your comment on Germany!!!
Anyway one guy made a good point in that vid, I'm not going to rant on about the issue. Part of me can understand what they are going through but the other part of me just says joj just leave it as it it. So what everyone got betrayed, the muslims ran out etc...the only other solution is that Mostar can become a little piece of independent heaven like Monaco...but *cough* I doubt that would happen :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 11:45:16 GMT -5
^^^They did an exceptional job at that, just a huge shame they couldn't just stop at getting patriotism high, the economy high which they did within a short time, they had to also commit to much more pain.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 11:42:53 GMT -5
Bosnia is winning everyday and Serbia is loosing...and good luck to them...they need more of it.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 11:40:23 GMT -5
Yes we were arming them, where do you think they received some of their arms from? Thin air? grow up.
Mig, I tend to agree also much propaganda; I think all sides had their reasons why this war had to happen but my point it and these Serbs clearly still cannot fathom it and I don't know why is that this occured on Croatian soil and we were defending Croatia, not Yugoslavia and not Serbia. They still cannot after almost 20 years understand, accept and apologise for what they had created there.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 10:19:06 GMT -5
It's because we were arming for fucking defence you idiots in reponse to Milosevic. I have nothing more to say about it because I'm about to fly off the handle and I don't want to get banned here or anything.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 23:42:41 GMT -5
"What propaganda was Serbian media spreading and why did it affect Croats in Croatia so badly? "
You are clearly your own worst enemy and Serbs in general didn't deserve what a few pollies up top and a few people like yourself wanted. A greater Serbia and loosing Yugoslavia. That's why you are still upset and deny all you want. The truth is there.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 23:40:38 GMT -5
Yeah well east and west berline is still divided...they still dont mix much... about India, I havn't been yet but my friend has and she loves it for spiritual reasons and how frienship is highly regarded there. Of course standards are not good but it's getting better. The worst place I have been for standards would have to be parts of Fiji and Thailand.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 20:08:42 GMT -5
It wasn't that either radovic. It was time to declare independance, any many saw opportunity to become leaders of the new Croatia and Serbia so they wanted it even more so, but for the wrong reasons. Croatian media had nothing to do with it, they wern't spreading propaganda to Croats in Serbia to wager war on innocent people.
I'd love to see these programs lol...enough to send in Yugoslav tanks and as I said above wager war on innocent people?
You clearly are sick in the head if you believe Serbia reacted to it and not start/provoke it. Really, really sick to think we would start a war in our own country under the guise of Yugoslavia...You clearly are once again sick.
So why didn't you level Zagreb? You could have as there was enough ammo to flatten the whole usrani balkans in 10 days. So why if we started it didn't we cop it big then? You can't answer that can you?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 19:50:21 GMT -5
Sure whatever, and it was the cetniks singing unforgivable songs around Vukovar that made us finally stand up for ourselves.
Keep to the topic. The hearing continues.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 19:41:20 GMT -5
hahahaha...cant refer u to online books, don't read em. pm me and ill give you a list of general books if u want.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 19:38:54 GMT -5
You're an idiot zadnji I wasn't comparing anyone to the nazi's and in any case this is a Serb not a Croat being tried so keep to the topic. Oh yes let's blame the media for everything...that same media that was flooding Serbian airwaves with so called Croat propaganda that made Serbs scared in Croatia...get a grip people.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 19:36:05 GMT -5
Have you been to Berlin? They can't even take the weeds off the streets...apart from Berlin it's failry clean country.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 12:12:54 GMT -5
Swimming is fantastic, I do it for fun and for the remedy of my back.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 12:10:32 GMT -5
Well he should have thought of that before commiting these crimes. What dates exactly did they allege to occur anyway. Just says early 90's. In anycase your beautiful Yugoslavia does not exist anymore. His crimes were comminted in Croatia on Croatian people. He needs to be tried there or in the Hague.
Do you have any idea where the tried the nazis, in the old or new Germany or some other place. I'm curious to hear your answer :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 11:45:56 GMT -5
I thought running after a kid and a beautiful wife would mean leaner paja :-) Please don't take what I say to heart!!! Did you used to play football?
But seriously on a different note, when people are in r/l's they tend to let themselves go. I don't get that, who wants to be comfortable being fat?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 11:34:56 GMT -5
^ You have amazing hair! I don't come across many men with amazing hair like mine hehe :-) Shame you lost the body?
As one Serb kolegica of mine once said to me (this is a girl who can't do without her "crnu kafu, sminku i cigare lol)...she would say exactly this if she saw you "joooooj kako je bio lep, zgodan; skoro sam se puknila na njega"... and I'm like okaaaaaaaaay. Crazy chick...I'll never forget that line!
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