ivo
Amicus
Posts: 2,712
|
Post by ivo on Oct 28, 2010 1:01:03 GMT -5
Some of these maps are from BEFORE the Bulgarian Exarchate was established, and some are from more recent times. Though, you'll notice that the general consensus is that the majority ethnic group in Macedonia were the Bulgarians. The Balkans in 1873. (Source: Stieler-Berghaus E., Atlante scolastico per la geografia politica e fisica, Carta de’ popoli europei, tav. n. 14, G. Perthes-Gotha, ed. 1873 Map of G. M. Mackenzie and A.P. Irby, British (1867). The two ladies, Mackenzie and Irby, traveled through the Balkans to explore the ethnography of the peninsula. Map of K. Sax, Austrian (1878). Karl Sax was a consul of the Austria-Hungary Empire at Adrianople. He was well acquainted with Balkan affairs and had cultivated an intellectual interest in cartography. He made use of previous maps and official reports of populations by Austrian and Bulgarian offices. British P.C.G.N. (1942). The Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use produced this map in 1942. The method used was a simple shading of linguistic zones. Map of H. Kiepert, German (1876). Kiepert was a professor at the University of Berlin. He had knowledge of Balkan history. He also inquired in official sources in Istanbul and was influenced by the Greek historian P. Aravantinos (1856-7). Map of G. Lejean, French (1861). Lejean was sent in a journey to the Ottoman Empire to gather information for the French government. His observances of the ethnic composition of the areas he visited produced this map. Racial map of central and South Europe. Taken from F. W. Putzgers Historischer Schul-Atlas, 1905 Etnographical map of Slavs, end of 19th beginning of 20th century. German map of the peoples and languages of Europe, end of 19th century Ethnographical map of Turkey in Europe, 19th century
|
|
ivo
Amicus
Posts: 2,712
|
Post by ivo on Oct 28, 2010 1:01:40 GMT -5
|
|
ivo
Amicus
Posts: 2,712
|
Post by ivo on Oct 28, 2010 1:14:56 GMT -5
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 28, 2010 2:36:10 GMT -5
Prostitute, no one take your photoshop seriously. You have destroyed your own credibility (if you ever knew what this means).
|
|
|
Post by ulf on Oct 28, 2010 6:04:49 GMT -5
yeah right idiot...We are going to believe Germans and maps made exclusively for their imperialistic tendencies, after all the same were ruling your country at that time
|
|
ivo
Amicus
Posts: 2,712
|
Post by ivo on Oct 28, 2010 8:49:15 GMT -5
Take down the names of the authors and the names of the books and go to a library, or an online library, and see if these maps were "photoshoped". Try to do your research outside of Serbia though, otherwise it's pointless.
Idiot? Oooohh, it would appear one of my "Orthodox Slav Serb Brothers".. hahaha I barely wrote that, has gotten offended by what the independent sources think of Macedonia.
Anyway, my dear "Orthodox Slav Serb Brother" hahahaa, if you'd actually put some intellect behind your emotionally charged posts you'd notice that only a few of the maps are German. The rest are British, French, Italian, Austrian etc. and they've all come to the same conclusion.
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 28, 2010 10:27:28 GMT -5
yeah right idiot...We are going to believe Germans and maps made exclusively for their imperialistic tendencies, after all the same were ruling your country at that time Asen-Aziz is unbeliavable, he gives his country the biggest negative image. Fortunately Bulgarians are in essence a very friendly nation. Unfortunately some of them, especially in the diaspora (like Aziz) are schizophrenic lunatics with extremely antisocial behaviour. PS Problem with the bulgos, is that they are too accepting, too submissive to whatever they are told by Germany/Turkey/Russia. And their leadership sucks (as proved by all world-wars) So, i wouldn't take Ioan or Asen seriously. Bulgarians are nothing like them.
|
|
ivo
Amicus
Posts: 2,712
|
Post by ivo on Oct 28, 2010 10:33:06 GMT -5
ALL Bulgarians share the same views on Macedonia. The same views that are shared by pretty much the whole world, as indicated by more than 90% of independent sources.
|
|
ioan
Amicus
Posts: 4,162
|
Post by ioan on Oct 28, 2010 10:39:56 GMT -5
Asen great maps as always. I am really shocked to see people like gyrro attacking you for simply posting maps of the Bolkans, CREATED BY OTHERS. I get it if u created them, but unfortunately (for some people) they were done by outsiders from all over the world. The striking thing is that all of them couldnt destinguish Bulgarians from Macedonians, but could distinguish very well Macedonians from Serbs or Bulgarians from Serbs. Strange and obviously very common mistake....
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 28, 2010 12:42:46 GMT -5
For the sake of good memories i have from Bulgaria, i;ll try to completely ignore you two clowns. For the love for Bulgaria....
|
|
ivo
Amicus
Posts: 2,712
|
Post by ivo on Oct 28, 2010 12:48:42 GMT -5
Ignore who ever you'd like. The point is that, more than 90% of independent sources share the views depicted by the maps above. And as you can see, these are maps from a variety of different sources.
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 28, 2010 20:20:19 GMT -5
Asen, have you heard of the name *TURKISH SERBIA".
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2010 2:02:34 GMT -5
Turkish Serbia = Stara Srbija
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 29, 2010 19:45:51 GMT -5
^ Pyrro, remember the topic l started here ages ago, called Turkish Serbia, it seems again the propagandist has had a lapse in memory
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2010 23:38:28 GMT -5
repetition is the mother of knowledge
|
|
Nikola
Senior Moderator
Posts: 1,835
|
Post by Nikola on Oct 30, 2010 21:20:20 GMT -5
|
|
Nikola
Senior Moderator
Posts: 1,835
|
Post by Nikola on Oct 30, 2010 21:25:28 GMT -5
These maps dont mean sh1t. Asen, there are dozens of maps out there on the Balkans and you have chosen to post ONLY the ones that support your argument. Which makes you pathetic.
Take your propaganda and shove it up your дупка.
|
|
ivo
Amicus
Posts: 2,712
|
Post by ivo on Oct 31, 2010 1:02:07 GMT -5
Nikola, my dear Serb, PLEASE post another 10 maps from your impressive 'heap'.
Ok, so go ahead and post another 10.
There, however, is one key difference between the maps we posted. Mine are ETHNOGRAPHIC, they illustrate the ETHNIC makeup of the region. Yours are POLITICAL, they show that Macedonia was a part of the East Roman Empire as well as the Serbian Empire. And to get into the nitty gritty details, Macedonia was only a part of the Serbian Empire for a mere 30 years.
|
|
ioan
Amicus
Posts: 4,162
|
Post by ioan on Oct 31, 2010 1:36:14 GMT -5
I hope he gets the distinction between political and ethnographic maps.
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 31, 2010 2:20:33 GMT -5
I hope he gets the distinction between political and ethnographic maps. BOU HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THANX MAN!!!! i got a good laught out of it... Get it buddy, there are only two kinds of maps: POLITICAL and GEOGRAPHICAL. I guess the Ukranian expansionists are only intested in selected politcial maps, right?
|
|