Post by bordura on Aug 13, 2008 17:33:48 GMT -5
Teuta thnx for the Karma. I do not care for the numbers, but respect the nice gesture.
I just want to be clear; in no place I claimed ALL Greeks are Antiamerican and ALL Greeks are pro Slav-orthodox. Yes I generalized and on my book generalization is fine as long as it is not used as a blanket to a specific individual coming from a certain community. Isn't patriotism, nationalism, religion and a lot of other very general notions self generalization's on itself? We say Greeks are Orthodox and that is a generalization. Of course not ALL Greeks are Christian-Orthodox, but no one disputes that generalization. It is not harmful as long as each of us in situation of personal interaction with another individual does not presume or prejudge that the generalization automatically applies over the other.
Anyway back to the way Greeks are perceived. In the mater US versus the rest of the world states and nations (LOL), it can fairly generalized as world states and nations are; Pro-US Anti-US, Neutral, Mixed behavior/reactions over time oscillating from Pro to Anti and all colors between. In my view and I humbly accept that I don't own the truth; Greece nominally as a state is listed as Western. They are NATO member and EU member making them generalized in every day speech, media, literature etc. without contesting as Wester Bloc member, Western civilization and other similar notions. Strangely enough in practice their reactions less in State level and much more on popular/collective and individual level manifests a vocal and visual antiamerican posture. Again I'm not interested in the REASONS, I'm merely stating a fact the way I perceive it, so no need from SOYUZ to advice me in depending my historical knowledge in the roots. I'm open and find it interesting to see that as a new topic if someone feels on explaining how history has helped to shape the above.
Isn't ironic SOYUZ is using as a name in this forum the Russian word SOYUZ:
Etymology: Soyuz Sovyetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik (Russ C = S, P = R) ;D and telling me I'm talking bullocks?! ;D
Yes i also happened to know Georgians are Christian-Orthodox as I happened at the same time to know that Georgians are not Slav.
I in my original post generalized; Greeks are cryptic Slav-orthodox lovers and antiamericans based on the fact no one ever remembers an antirussian demonstration, antichinese, antibritish or antifrench. All of the above had in modern and recent history sinned same as Americans. Prag, Budapest, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Georgia, Tien An Men, Tibet, Maldives, Live Nuclear explosions of Atomic Bomb from France in late 90's in the Pacific Atoll Islands, French troops and bases of France in African countries etc.
I'm not criticizing Greece and Greeks cause i believe they know better then me what is good for them so more power to them in regulating as it fits their life. I'm just noticing. I do not think that a nation that is expressing antiamerican feeling is worst that a nation expressing prorussian feelings.
If Albania gets bombed tomorrow i strongly believe Greeks are going to naturally support Albanian people (maybe not the government) They did in fact a noble gesture and delivered a concrete help when Turkey was hit from the earthquake without any hesitation. Also I know as a fact that the very first wave of Albos immigrating to Greece was welcomed warmly and without prejudices.
So as a last reflection: in the actual Russia-Georgia conflict which in the core is West-East conflict at list from Greece's side one would expect as a Western subject (EU & NATO member) maximum Pro-West position or as minimum a NEUTRAL position. Also in all former Yugo conflict Greece spiritually and actively supported Serb side in contrast with here nominal Alliance as EU and NATO member and EU and NATO clearly where not on Serbia's side and in Russia's side.
Na zdravje comrade SOYUZ
as they use to say in comies time; The East is RED
and it is indded
I just want to be clear; in no place I claimed ALL Greeks are Antiamerican and ALL Greeks are pro Slav-orthodox. Yes I generalized and on my book generalization is fine as long as it is not used as a blanket to a specific individual coming from a certain community. Isn't patriotism, nationalism, religion and a lot of other very general notions self generalization's on itself? We say Greeks are Orthodox and that is a generalization. Of course not ALL Greeks are Christian-Orthodox, but no one disputes that generalization. It is not harmful as long as each of us in situation of personal interaction with another individual does not presume or prejudge that the generalization automatically applies over the other.
Anyway back to the way Greeks are perceived. In the mater US versus the rest of the world states and nations (LOL), it can fairly generalized as world states and nations are; Pro-US Anti-US, Neutral, Mixed behavior/reactions over time oscillating from Pro to Anti and all colors between. In my view and I humbly accept that I don't own the truth; Greece nominally as a state is listed as Western. They are NATO member and EU member making them generalized in every day speech, media, literature etc. without contesting as Wester Bloc member, Western civilization and other similar notions. Strangely enough in practice their reactions less in State level and much more on popular/collective and individual level manifests a vocal and visual antiamerican posture. Again I'm not interested in the REASONS, I'm merely stating a fact the way I perceive it, so no need from SOYUZ to advice me in depending my historical knowledge in the roots. I'm open and find it interesting to see that as a new topic if someone feels on explaining how history has helped to shape the above.
Isn't ironic SOYUZ is using as a name in this forum the Russian word SOYUZ:
Etymology: Soyuz Sovyetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik (Russ C = S, P = R) ;D and telling me I'm talking bullocks?! ;D
Yes i also happened to know Georgians are Christian-Orthodox as I happened at the same time to know that Georgians are not Slav.
I in my original post generalized; Greeks are cryptic Slav-orthodox lovers and antiamericans based on the fact no one ever remembers an antirussian demonstration, antichinese, antibritish or antifrench. All of the above had in modern and recent history sinned same as Americans. Prag, Budapest, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Georgia, Tien An Men, Tibet, Maldives, Live Nuclear explosions of Atomic Bomb from France in late 90's in the Pacific Atoll Islands, French troops and bases of France in African countries etc.
I'm not criticizing Greece and Greeks cause i believe they know better then me what is good for them so more power to them in regulating as it fits their life. I'm just noticing. I do not think that a nation that is expressing antiamerican feeling is worst that a nation expressing prorussian feelings.
If Albania gets bombed tomorrow i strongly believe Greeks are going to naturally support Albanian people (maybe not the government) They did in fact a noble gesture and delivered a concrete help when Turkey was hit from the earthquake without any hesitation. Also I know as a fact that the very first wave of Albos immigrating to Greece was welcomed warmly and without prejudices.
So as a last reflection: in the actual Russia-Georgia conflict which in the core is West-East conflict at list from Greece's side one would expect as a Western subject (EU & NATO member) maximum Pro-West position or as minimum a NEUTRAL position. Also in all former Yugo conflict Greece spiritually and actively supported Serb side in contrast with here nominal Alliance as EU and NATO member and EU and NATO clearly where not on Serbia's side and in Russia's side.
Na zdravje comrade SOYUZ
as they use to say in comies time; The East is RED
and it is indded