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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Dec 19, 2008 23:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 20, 2008 0:08:19 GMT -5
"Its a Bulgarian dialect which cannot be "aquired" for 7 year period of the Exarchate influence."
Wrong, the regions which got influenced by the exarchos for that period of time you mentioned only happened in kosovo and todays southeastern regions of serbia. The Exarchos was in operation all the way until the first balkan war of 1912/13, so in effect, a generation and a half of influence which warped the peoples lanuage in vardar.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 20, 2008 0:35:41 GMT -5
"Its a Bulgarian dialect which cannot be "aquired" for 7 year period of the Exarchate influence." Wrong, the regions which got influenced by the exarchos for that period of time you mentioned only happened in kosovo and todays southeastern regions of serbia. The Exarchos was in operation all the way until the first balkan war of 1912/13, so in effect, a generation and a half of influence which warped the peoples lanuage in vardar. novi compare this map : www.macedoniainfo.com/BULGARIAN-EXARCHATE.jpgto this map: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Torlak.pngwe all know how much Slavs are obsessed in forcing their language to the lands they have (as an Ipirot i know that pretty well), no wander what happened between 1870-1912 regarding the rules of the written language... As a side note Novi, remember that once all the Croat Srijem (then Srem) spoke ekavica!!! while Loznica Jekavica!!! What i mean is that many Croats were forced to Jekavica and many Serbs to Ekavica and that the distinction was clearly political and not ethnic.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 20, 2008 1:11:48 GMT -5
Your right Pyrro, however in the old serbian dialect regions, the Exarchos was only around for 7 years they didn't have enough time to warp this old original serbian lanuage, but they managed in the vardar regions. Hence the reason why we say that we shouldn't put emphasis on lanuage because of the Exarchos influence, but one needs to look at history and culture of these people to determine their origins.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2008 0:49:38 GMT -5
Your right Pyrro, however in the old serbian dialect regions, the Exarchos was only around for 7 years they didn't have enough time to warp this old original serbian lanuage, but they managed in the vardar regions. Hence the reason why we say that we shouldn't put emphasis on lanuage because of the Exarchos influence, but one needs to look at history and culture of these people to determine their origins. then i guess, it was the bulgarians who having failed to transform those people into bulgarians, made them ..... makedonians...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2008 1:07:05 GMT -5
"Centuries were passing....nations on the Balkans were formed from long time.....Then suddenly our friends the Serbs decide they need Empire. They did it! They had Empire for 30 years!!!"
Well, i dont know but many toponyms in my area are Serb, not latin, not turkish, not albanian, SERB. The main structure may indeed have hold for 30 years but the composing parts became independent "despotata". So the Serb influence was huge, cultural leftovers from those 100 years of Serb presence (1300-1400) smth the ottomans didnt manage to wipe out in 400 years... quite amazing.
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Post by Atan on Dec 21, 2008 2:15:10 GMT -5
;D ;D
Pyrros and Novi - no offence guys but you sound more and more like idiots.
Let's take our intelligent friend Pyrros - he says my theory is flawed (??) but due to his superior intellectual capabilities he can't explain why.
Idiots ;D! We gave you facts. FACTS morons - just move your brains a little bit and try to think. So much stupidity on this world!
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Post by rusebg on Dec 21, 2008 8:01:39 GMT -5
I think Pyrros and Novi have one small problem only - they belong to different nationalities than the ones they really want to belong to. Novi should be Greek and Pyrros should be Serb. As for the sources - I don't know why Pyrros considers Novi to be a historian of some huge proportions but nothing could be more far distanced from truth. All sources Novi gives are complete and utter crap, lacking any sense or credibility. For instance - so far he has claimed Sofia and Plovdiv as being Serb cities. Even the most ridiculous Serb nationalists haven't claimed something as absurd as this. This doesn't stop Novi, though. He continues by pointing out that a Bulgarian from Northern Bulgaria was unable to communicate with a Bulgarian from Macedonia...wow... lol lol. Please have in mind that he has posted this masterpiece of brainfart may be three times at least, considering it as an extremely powerful evidence, based on the observations of some german geologist. I am not religious but I do pray to God Novi doesn't find some evidences by Austrian ornitologists or Swiss orthopedists.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 23, 2008 17:24:43 GMT -5
Team
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 1, 2009 5:40:45 GMT -5
^ I like it Rex ;D
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Post by macmako on Jan 6, 2009 23:57:44 GMT -5
Macedonia or the Republic of Macedonia. Nothing else.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2009 8:03:52 GMT -5
^ Enjoy being shunned by the world community. Macedonia is not even a slavic name, a good name is vardar ;D
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Post by macmako on Jan 8, 2009 11:34:33 GMT -5
It's easy. The FRENCH has FRANCE, the GREEKS have GREECE, the GERMANS have GERMANY, etc. So why shouldn't the MACEDONIANS have MACEDONIA??!!!
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Post by rusebg on Jan 8, 2009 16:29:11 GMT -5
Because you are Bulgarians in your majority. Period.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2009 18:28:44 GMT -5
"It's easy. The FRENCH has FRANCE, the GREEKS have GREECE, the GERMANS have GERMANY, etc. So why shouldn't the MACEDONIANS have MACEDONIA??!!!"
Greece's historical Macedonia region has been used longer than what you call yourself, so why do vardarians think they have more rights to claim on this name than Greeks. Your lanuage is closest to Bulgarian thanks to the events of the 19th century Bulgarian Exarchos which imposed Bulgarization for 42 years!.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 9, 2009 2:20:29 GMT -5
And what were they speaking before these monsterous period of 42 years? lol Novi, get real please.
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Post by ioan on Jan 9, 2009 3:15:58 GMT -5
Pure Serbian of course. As purest as it is spoken in Novi Pazar
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 9, 2009 3:17:41 GMT -5
Skoricland..ski
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Post by ioan on Jan 9, 2009 3:27:47 GMT -5
And how the hell the Exarchate worked 42 years? I checked: it actually worked for 7 or at best for 20 years depending when u think it started working. It was established as an independent Bulgarian ecclesiastical organisation on February 28, 1870 by the firman of Sultan Abdülaziz of the Ottoman Empire. After the Christian population of the bishoprics of Skopje and Ohrid voted in 1874 overwhelmingly in favour of joining the Exarchate (Skopje by 91%, Ohrid by 97%), the Bulgarian Exarchate became in control of the whole of Vardar and Pirin Macedonia. - SO THE SERBS VOTED WITH OVER 90 PERCENT FOR JOINING A BG CHURCH? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... SOME 2 YEARS AFTER THE SUPPOSED "BRAINWASHING"... WAS THE EXARCHATE USING MAGIC? ?? The immediate effect of the partition of Ottoman empire during the Balkan Wars was the anti-Bulgarian campaign in areas under Serbian and Greek rule. The Serbians expelled Exarchist churchmen and teachers and closed Bulgarian schools and churches (affecting the standing of as many as 641 schools and 761 churches). Thousands of Bulgarian refugees left for Bulgaria, joining a still larger stream from devastated Aegean Macedonia, where the Greeks burned Kukush, the center of Bulgarian politics and culture. Bulgarian language (including the Macedonian dialects) was prohibited, and its surreptitious use, whenever detected, was ridiculed or punished.[2] The Ottomans managed to keep the Adrianople region, where the whole Thracian Bulgarian population was put to total ethnic cleansing by the Young Turks' army. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_ExarchatePlease read smth so that u dont embarass yourself Novi.
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Post by macmako on Jan 9, 2009 11:54:30 GMT -5
"It's easy. The FRENCH has FRANCE, the GREEKS have GREECE, the GERMANS have GERMANY, etc. So why shouldn't the MACEDONIANS have MACEDONIA??!!!" Greece's historical Macedonia region has been used longer than what you call yourself, so why do vardarians think they have more rights to claim on this name than Greeks. Your lanuage is closest to Bulgarian thanks to the events of the 19th century Bulgarian Exarchos which imposed Bulgarization for 42 years!. I am flattered that you assume I own Macedonia and also have ownership of its language. But that is not the case. Sorry to burst your bubble, but please use "THE" instead of "YOUR". I claim no personal ownership to the country Macedonia and its language. I am only a PROUD MACEDONIAN. Love you, man.
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