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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Dec 25, 2008 6:07:27 GMT -5
In Romania the first counties considering the number of suicides per capita are Harghita, Covasna, Mures and Satu Mare, these are at a great distance from the others and really the discrepance is abnormal. After we see that this counties are either in majority inhabited by Hungarians or have important Hungarian minorities, it becomes even more strange. If we don't believe in some course or other supernatural thing, the explanation is rather simple if we see that the Romanians who live in the areas inhabited by Hungarians comit as many suicides as well, the explanation is the antisocial nature of the Hungarians. Many people just comit suicide because of loneliness and it seems that a lot of Hungarians suffer from loneliness because simply the average Hungarian is egoistic and doesn't care about anybody including his own relatives. Charity as well is something not very popular in Hungary.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 25, 2008 10:04:34 GMT -5
"Breaking news : its 2008 now. "
1. Has the church property been returned?
2. Has the the Freedom Statue in Arad been re-erected?
3. Has the Bolyai University been re-established?
4. Has Szekelyfold autonomy been re- established?
5. Has the Matyas Kiraly statue in Kolozsvar been restored and the gypsy name plate "mathias rex" and all the romanian flags and red, yellow and blue benches removed?
more gypsy hypocrisy and insecurities
" i`m sure your looking after gypsies under your bed when its dark. "
I don't have to look under my bed for gypsies, I'll just look in the romania forum
"You must be kidding me. Do you think that anybody gives a damn about who first pissed behind a specific tree 1000 years ago ?"
recent history idiot....the creation and enlargement of your artificial country and the circumstances surrounding it.
Its not Hungary's fault your little 10,000 romanian minority doesn't want schools or want to speak or be romanian anymore.
I'd wish you a Merry Christmas but I know you orthodox heathens celebrate later.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Dec 25, 2008 11:41:43 GMT -5
1. Has the church property been returned? 2. Has the the Freedom Statue in Arad been re-erected? 3. Has the Bolyai University been re-established? 4. Has Szekelyfold autonomy been re- established? 5. Has the Matyas Kiraly statue in Kolozsvar been restored and the gypsy name plate "mathias rex" and all the romanian flags and red, yellow and blue benches removed? 1. Were the mosque propreties of Buda Pashalic been returned the Turks yet? 2. Has the statue of the Great Turk been re-erected in the middle of Buda? 3. Have the Alah Islamic schools throughout Buda Pashalic been reestablished? 4. Has the Mamluk autonomy been reestablished? 5. Don't worry, Romanians take great care of the statue of the Romanian king of Mongolia. Aad beside that, have all the red white green things been removed from Buda and replaced with the proper green flag with the crescent?
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 25, 2008 11:54:23 GMT -5
" Romanian king of Mongolia"
Do you mean this one...
or..... Gypsy Kings - Roma-nia
"mosque propreties, Alah Islamic schools "
Do you mean this ....
lol.....hulye ciganyok
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Post by diurpaneus on Dec 25, 2008 13:00:37 GMT -5
Faggot.
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Post by Dragos Voda on Dec 25, 2008 17:58:14 GMT -5
States generally do what is in their self interest. If Romanians in Hungary have any rights at all it's because the Hungarian government is hoping that Romania will extend those sames rights to Hungarians in Romania. Hungarians really couldn't give shit about Romanians and if it wasn't in their interest to give Romanians language and minority government rights they wouldn't do so. Romanians are no more xenophobic than Hungarians- every nation does what is in their self-interest so quite the "Hungarians are more tolerant" crap.
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Post by wbb on Dec 25, 2008 23:09:07 GMT -5
It is indeed Hungarians commit suicide in Romania too, only the stupid hungarians do it, who cant face the real world. But Romanians doing it more? why?`It's more common for Romanians than Hungarians, mostly in Moldova, as Romanians in Romania are bit more intelligent.
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Post by wbb on Dec 25, 2008 23:49:37 GMT -5
1. Gul Baba's tomb has been returned to Turkey, it's now a small Turkish enclave in Hungary, instead of being Hungarian Kalifa enclave in Budapest.
2. Muslims doesnt have or own any statue, we are not friken buddhist, we have Allah the unseen, that's more than enough for us.
3. Ottoman muslim cemetery around Buda castle is still there, it's just need to be re-furbished, which will be done soon.
4. lol Mamluk autonomy? with Hasan Jakovali Mosque, minarets, new opened mosque, islamic schools, more muslim converts under the control of Magyar Iszlam Kozsoseg or Magyarorszagi Muszlimok Egyhaza, isnt that's far more than an autonomy? We dont need Turkey or Arabs to control Hungarian muslim population, we have enough Magyar muslims to control their muslim community thanx God. Islam is still spreading in Hungary, again that's more than an autonomy, that's independence.
5. Oh we dont need Ottoman flag in Buda, we have our own muslim flag in Hungarian design made by Hungarian muslim lol. i post our Hungarian muslim flag later perhaps, cause there's only 1 hungarian muslim who want to waste his time designing, creating Hungarian muslim flag, that's me!!! ;D
6. ooop i forgot something else, all we need now is only one thing, Magyar Mudzahidin ( similar to Magyar Garda) to protect the Magyar muszlims from Olah Cigany's aggression from Romania like u and yes of course to destruct Romanian occupation of Transylvania and liberate Transylvania. Allah Akbar!!! La illaha ilallah wa anna Mohammadar rasulallah!!!!
7. Dont worry about the muslim culture in Hungary, it's is so protected that i even inform the Jobbik forum with Jobbik representative, to protect all Hungary's muslim population from cigany's aggression and advantage, i swear to Allah, no bs, Jobbik is already keeping their eyes on us from Cigany Mafioso.
Romania better worry about her muslim population or else Hungary's muslim will take the responsibilty on Romania's muslim, that's would be good, i wish that will happen one day.
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 26, 2008 1:30:18 GMT -5
aha i see, so u either didnt learn maths well or u have a denying disorder. What fukin average? How could 2 Romanian nation have 15.1 when friken Moldova itself is already 17.8? Becouse in statistics you dont sum the averages Einstein, otherwise you get absurd results. Even the number for Hungary who you mention it , 26 , its an average. They took the statistic numbers from all Hungarian counties and made an average : 23+34+12+45+......../X = 26 Maybe in the poorer east they have 32 suicide and 20 in west, but the AVERAGE for the country and the statistically valid number is 26. If you sum up the averages you have 52 , which is of course absurd. This is also true for different countries. You still make the average , not the sum. What if Romanians lived in 5 countries and you want to make the overall suicides rates for Romanian (like you tried) You make the sum ? 23+34+12+45+24= 138 that means genocide already. No, you make the same average to find what the most common number for the countries. Thats not math, is common sense. As always , talking about things that you don't have any slightest idea.
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Post by wbb on Dec 26, 2008 3:35:16 GMT -5
lol, actually i took this Romanian suicide rates as a joke, Romania and Moldova's suicide rates is not even the latest, Moldova's is 2004 or 2005 while Romania's is 2006, so it could be more or less. However Moldova's suicide rates is pretty bad even if it's average, the size of the country and her population is a bad results, Moldova is the most likely Romanian nation that will have her romanian population extinct, Romania is still doing well however Romanian population is dying out while Hungarian population is that there's more old people than young people, but young hungarian makes more kids than older hungarians. My cousin who is 25 have already 3 kids, the lastest one was born just 2 months ago lol, my uncle in law (49 years old) already 5 kids, in couple of months will have his 6th kids, all Hungarians of Szekely origin. Me? i gonna have 21 or maybe more till death. Hahaha Hungarians are flooding everywhere, not sure about Yeni, maybe he'll have 6 or 7 kids, who knows. overall Hungarians make more than suicide more. Roma is counted as every 5 or 6 newborn but lives shorter than actuall Hungarian population, Hungarian muslims is counted as 7 or more, it's depend on the person lives normal or longer. Now with 10,000 Romanians in Hungary who can only speak Crisana dialect but preffered to speak Hungarian as their language, doesnt give a damn about being Romanian is counted as additional 10,000 more Hungarians.
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 26, 2008 4:46:35 GMT -5
However Moldova's suicide rates is pretty bad even if it's average, the size of the country and her population is a bad results, Moldova is the most likely Romanian nation that will have her romanian population extinct Yeah Moldova is doing very bad overall, but you picked a bad example for population extinction ;D Its population growth rate is way better than Romanian and Hungarian ones. I would not make predictions on personal experience bases. You give me your examples, i can give you mine where from all Hungarians i know there no family who has more than 2 kids. So we are back to oficial statistics. Population growth rate in 2008 : -0.254 (Hu) ; -0.136 (Ro) No one is flooding no one, both countries suck grow rate, with Hungary having the lowest one
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 26, 2008 13:03:33 GMT -5
suicide again...lol, Off topic agian. If you notice, this thread deals with organizations/individuals/countries that violate human and minority rights. How pathetic, is suicide the only negative aspect of Hungary and Hungarians you can find.
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 26, 2008 13:15:54 GMT -5
suicide again...lol, Off topic agian. If you notice, this thread deals with organizations/individuals/countries that violate human and minority rights. How pathetic, is suicide the only negative aspect of Hungary and Hungarians you can find. Another typical post by szorostalpu1. Useless and always behind the topic. 1) the suicide thingie was brought back by wbb, not by me 2)by the time of this post ,we already leaved behind the suicide part, and we were talking about demography and birth rate, a serious problem both for Romania and Hungary Next time when you post, try to write something about the weather forecast or something like this, maybe this way we can find something useful in your posts.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 26, 2008 15:32:31 GMT -5
"Useless and always behind the topic."
you mean you're useless whether the subject is minority rights, birthrate or history.... "history is nice", you're always out of arguments. romania did all its flooding back in the 80s and you're still paying for it today. stay in your own forum so you and your cohorts can release all your pathetic copy/pasted frustrations there.
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Post by wbb on Dec 27, 2008 2:46:32 GMT -5
most of it done by Ukranians, Russians and or Gagauz Turks, not the Moldovan itself. The only way for Gagauzia and Transdnistra to be independent is by culturally taking most area's around the autonomous region by Gaugauz and Slavic people while Moldovans are migrating to another country like Romania or the western world. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Russians, Ukrainians and Gagauz, each of them will reach up to 500,000 in the near future, while Moldovan-Romanians is dropping down. Another thing, what Chisineu the capital of Moldova means in Romanian? In Hungarian, it's means alot, Kisjeno. Kis=small...Jeno=Eugene in Hungarian. Another Hungarian colony that has been stolen by the Romanised Gypsies. Yes older Hungarians have less, not the younger ones. Younger Hungarians have more than 3, like my cousin who is 25, already 3 kids have. By the time he reach 30, he'll have more than just 3, maybe another 2, i can promise u that for 100% sure. Hungary's rate is low because it's full of old fukers who didnt have enough kids or no kids at all, younger Hungarians make enough kids that will fix the population rates sooner or later. another reason is because many Hungarians go back to Transylvania, while other percentage of them go to Romania to work, Hungarian population in Romania is inceasing, more Hungarian immigrant to Romania is just what we need. More interestingly, Hungarian Christians leave Hungary to go to neighbouring countries, Serbia, Croatia, Austria, blah,blah. Hungarian muslims stays there and breed alot, and all other immigrant like Chinese, Africans, Romanians are becoming Hungarians, while minorities of Gypsies become Hungarians also. So basically, we have New Hungarians staying in Hungary and old Hungarians go to neighbouring countries and colonised the area once again...hahahah.
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 27, 2008 5:14:34 GMT -5
most of it done by Ukranians, Russians and or Gagauz Turks, not the Moldovan itself. The only way for Gagauzia and Transdnistra to be independent is by culturally taking most area's around the autonomous region by Gaugauz and Slavic people while Moldovans are migrating to another country like Romania or the western world. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Russians, Ukrainians and Gagauz, each of them will reach up to 500,000 in the near future, while Moldovan-Romanians is dropping down. He he your amount of wishful thinking its funny. Too bad it has no connection with the reality. 1989 Census - Romanians ( 64%), Ukrainian ( 14%),Russian ( 13.0%). 2008 - Romanian ( 78.2%), Ukrainian ( 8.4%), Russian ( 5.8%) Ouch, here goes down to drain your dreams about Romanians dissapearing from Moldova. Ha ha ha Republic of Moldova its Hungarian homeland too now ? Whats next ? Alaska, Canada, North Pole ? Are you sure they dont resemble with some words in Hungarian and they were stolen by the gypsy Eskimos Chiseni (Ukrainean) means pocket (it was a commercial centre) Chisla (Romanian) means water spring (its build around a water spring) Kesene (Tatar) means chapel Pick your choice , from populations that actually inhabited those lands I`m going to use your Hungarian sources, namely HCSO (Hungarian Central Statistic Office). It predicts that by 2050 ,because of overall aging of population and negative birth rate growth Hungary will lose a whopping 1.5 millions of populations. Sorry , but i tend to believe more a scientific institute, than "i have a friend of a friend who....." see above Hungarians who come back are already registered in those 1,5-2 mil Hungarians. There is no real increasing/decreasing from this point of view. You need an extra of 4 milions Hungarians to make 50-50 the ethnics there. Even 5-6 millions if you want to have a moderate advantage. Wait, thats more than half of Hu`s entire population. Good luck with this plan
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 27, 2008 9:47:08 GMT -5
1989 Census - Romanians (64%), Ukrainian (14%),Russian (13.0%). 2008 - Romanian (78.2%), Ukrainian (8.4%), Russian (5.8%) Ouch, here goes down to drain your dreams about Romanians dissapearing from Moldova.
In 1992, a survey by American professor William Crowther, showed that 87% of the Romance-speaking population of Moldova considered itself "Moldovan", rather than the "Romanian".[8] According to a 2002 study, among self-declared Moldovans, more than 80% consider themselves as different from Romanians, and only 5% see no difference at all.[9]
ouch...so much for your "official" romanian census"
"Ha ha ha Republic of Moldova its Hungarian homeland too now ?"
I suggest you read your own Dimitrie Cantemir's Descriptio Moldaviae and find the origins of several towns, cities and rivers in Moldva...Sucsvar(suceava), Bako(bacau), Onyest, Szabófalva(Sãbãoani),Gyoszény(Gioseni) Szeret ,Tatros etc. Now what are the meanings of your "romanianized" versions? Pick your choice , from population that originally inhabited those lands...lol
":Hungarian immigrant to Romania is just what we need.
You need an extra of 4 milions Hungarians to make 50-50 the ethnics there. "
Do you mean like the way millions of wallachians and modavians were transplanted in the border regions and major cities to dilute the Hungarian majorities?
yeah, "history is nice"
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Post by lvl100 on Dec 27, 2008 15:45:25 GMT -5
Dude , i told you already, you really should update your sources. 1992 surveys ? But yes ,during the Soviet era and after `89 the pro-Russian communist government tried to create a fake identity, of a different ethnic background than Romanians, namely Moldovans. Only 1 problem tho : their language is full Romanian, their habits are Romanian , even their great historic leaders(like Stephan the Great) are common both to Romania and Moldova. Your point is moot. Moldova was never hungarian teritory, so your point to find 3 localities with influenced hungarian names its just for bandaging your frustrated ego. If i remember corectly Suceava was for like 20 years in the Habsurg monarchy. But thats about all. Bacau its from the slav byk (bull) The other example are some little Ceangai villages. You should have more , and i mean a really lot more than this, for the main idea launched by wbb "Moldova - Hungarian Homeland " Oh yes , the popular myth of billions and billions of Romanians brought in Transylvania. Actually the number of moldovans and wallachians migrating Transylvania was much lower, somewhere around 600.000. as acknowledged even by a study of Hungarian E. Árpád Where is the difference ? Simple. The Hungarian census in 1880 show us that Hungarians were 26% of total population. ( Source www.hungarian-history.hu --> your own sources). The Romanians were a large majority but the politics of keeping them as 2nd hand citizens forced them to live mostly in villages near the big cities. The fact that 26% of total population was 80% in a city, doesnt mean they were 80% in the whole historic region. When Transylvania joined Romania,the former 2nd hand citizens, the Romanian Transylvanians just normally moved to the cities and established the normal distribution in the cities.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Dec 27, 2008 17:06:58 GMT -5
"The Romanians were a large majority" lol really...Transylvania which was part of (eastern) Hungary, romanians constituted no more than 15% of the entire population. Transylvania by itself you were barely above 50%....this is your "large majority" The Hungarian census in 1880 show us that Hungarians were 26% of total population. According to the census of 1910, the largest ethnic group in the Kingdom of Hungary were the Hungarians, who were approximately 48% of the entire population (or 54% of the population of the territory referred to as "Hungary proper", i.e., excluding Croatia-Slavonia). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon - 148k a 28% increase in the number of Hungarians in 30 yrs.....amazing lol "Oh yes , the popular myth of billions and billions of Romanians brought in Transylvania." typical olah reasoning.....millions now become billions. So according to you...the 4-5 milllion increase in romanians was do to moving from the countryside to the cities lol "Moldova was never hungarian teritory," nor was it vlach territory....more likely slav territory, Hungarian and slav settlements pre-date all your olah names. Just as wallachia was cumania. The name is of Hungarian origin, being derived from Szûcsvár which means "Town on the skin-workers", this etymology being given in Dimitrie Cantemir's Descriptio Moldaviae. www.experiencefestival.com/suceava_-_geographyBacãu Uncertain, possibly Hungarian Possibly named after a local warlord called Bako, "-ãu" is a common Romanian ending for placenames of Hungarian origin. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_list_of_counties_of_Romania Do a little research before commenting
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Dec 27, 2008 17:18:57 GMT -5
I suggest you read your own Dimitrie Cantemir's Descriptio Moldaviae and find the origins of several towns, cities and rivers in Moldva...Sucsvar(suceava), Bako(bacau), Onyest, Szabófalva(Sãbãoani),Gyoszény(Gioseni) Szeret ,Tatros etc. Now what are the meanings of your "romanianized" versions? Pick your choice , from population that originally inhabited those lands...lol Cantemir never wrote such things. He mentioned that amongs the other etnicities living in Moldova there were also Hungarians and that in Moldova Hungarians were always serfs, the lowest social class, the same for the Russians (Ukranians). BTW those placenames were chosen very badly Onesti is a typical Romanian toponym like Bucuresti, Ploiesti, Pitesti, Fetesti and so on. This type of placenames are formed from the name of the person usualy the landlord. In Onesti case it's Oană or posibly even Ion. Gioseni means "the low place" clearly a Romanian placename and quite a typical one. Sabaoani is from sabau a regionalism for tailor. Sabau acording to the dictionary is from Hungarian szabo. Siret it atested in the past as Saret meaning salty in Romanian and acording to analisis it's water does indeed have an unussual amount of salt so case solved. Suceava and Bacau look like Slavic toponyms. About Trotus no ideea but it doesn't sound Hungarian. He never ever wrote such a thing in Description Moldavie or in any other place, are you so disperate that you put words in his mouth?
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