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Post by vinjak on Aug 12, 2008 1:44:57 GMT -5
lmao typical pathetic logic of the same kid as always
Oh really LOL It wasnt me that came in with,
LMAO keep telling yourself that you poor little brainwashed cedo.
Instead of actualy backing up your childish old rhetoric you go on about Brainwashing.
Well cmon prove my post wrong, cause your looking mighty stupid now..............LOL loser
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Post by vinjak on Aug 12, 2008 2:01:35 GMT -5
Here you go fool,
Under pressure, Croat-Bosnian surge stops short of Banja Luka
From Correspondent Peter Arnett, State Department Producer Judd Ginsberg, and wire reports
September 19, 1995
SARAJEVO and BIJELJINA, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and WASHINGTON (CNN) -- With diplomatic thumbscrews turned tight, the Bosnian and Croatian governments agreed Tuesday to temporarily halt their powerful offensive through northwest Bosnia.
As Bosnian Serbs continued to comply with NATO's demand to move heavy artillery out of Sarajevo in the south, groundfighting against Serb strongholds drew international ire.
"The light here is red," warned U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott. "Stop the fighting. Go back to the negotiating table." British Defense Secretary Malcolm Rifkind issued a similar warning, saying an assault on the Serb city of Banja Luka could draw Serbia into ground warfare. And Croatian President Franjo Tudjman heeded the call, commanding his troops to cease action in northwest Bosnia. Later, State Department officials reported that neither Croatia nor Bosnia was inclined to attack Banja Luka. Spokesman Nicholas Burns said U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke got that word from Tudjman and Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic during a meeting in Zagreb, Croatia. Holbrooke has moved on to Belgrade for meetings with Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic.
Burns also said there were indications that the Bosnian and Croatian military forces have followed through and slowed down their offensive throughout central Bosnia. Still, he noted, U.N. sources in the area have yet to confirm this. And there were reports later that the Bosnian-Croat offensive was on the verge of capturing Prijedor, 50 km (30 miles) from Banja Luka.
However, diplomatic relations between the warring factions showed signs of being slowly on the mend. According to a statement released by the Croatian president's office in Zagreb, the presidents of Croatia, Bosnia and the Bosnian Federation have agreed on a number of points, including their support for the American peace initiative.
Earlier Tuesday, in contrast, a member of the Bosnian Serb ruling council lashed out at the Muslim-Croat offensive, calling it "cruel." During a briefing with journalists, Council member Nikolai Koljavic charged that as many as 500 civilians were killed or wounded in one community.
Koljavic strongly denied speculation that his forces had given up territory willingly,. He said Serb militiamen simply panicked when thousands of shells were fired on them. The soldiers went to their families, getting them to safety. As a result, Koljavic said, there was a setback of the Bosnian Serb front line.
Koljavic characterized the attacks as a "stab in the back" following the September 8 Geneva meeting, which he attended. He warned that if the hostilities did not stop he would call upon Serbian President Milosevic for help. Koljavic also said the 80,000 Bosnian Serbs displaced from the fighting would be relocated within Bosnian Serb territory.
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Post by kapetan on Aug 12, 2008 2:02:28 GMT -5
You're one of those kids I got tired of since your opinion doesn't affect me and I don't respect you enough to discuss it anymore
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Post by vinjak on Aug 12, 2008 2:13:57 GMT -5
And another
Croat-Bosnian ground offensive could threaten peace process
September 17, 1995 Web posted at: 10:00 p.m. EDT (0200 GMT)
From Correspondent Christiane Amanpour
SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (CNN) -- Bosnian television shows government forces rolling on with their advance, and in the capital Sarajevo, two top Bosnian government officials sound positively giddy.
"The best diplomacy is created on the ground," said Bosnian Foreign Minister Muhamed Sacirbey. "We've had to learn that lesson the hard way now we're the beneficiaries of that lesson." (77k .aiff sound file or 153k .wav sound file)
North and west, the Bosnian Serbs are on the defensive for the first time, swept aside by Croat artillery, Bosnian army infantry -- and an air force courtesy of NATO. With those forces on the march, the Bosnian government now feel it is calling the shots.
"In the driving seat," said Bosnian Prime Minister Haris Silajdzic.
Suddenly a peace plan that divides Bosnia roughly in half may not look like the best deal to the government. Indeed, the Bosnian-Croat advance could be a deal-breaker, warn European and U.S. negotiators.
"We're looking for the peace settlement; the fighting goes on," concedes U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke. "...whatever its effect is the effect." (77k .aiff sound file or 145k .wav sound file)
Its immediate effect is to bring government forces practically to parity with the Serbs on the ground. And now that they're on a roll, will they sign at the negotiating table less than they can win by fighting?
Allied Bosnian and Croat forces have advanced to within striking distance of the key Serb stronghold of Banja Luka. But to take that city, warn some senior military analysts, could be a strategic error. It could force Serbia proper to abandon its role as peace broker and instead come to the help of the Bosnian Serbs.
Banja Luka is flooded with Serb civilians fleeing the government and Croat advance. And in three and a half years of war, Serbs there have ethnically cleansed almost all Muslims and Croats from the area.
As government and Croat forces march on, Bosnian Serb leaders admit they are losing much ground. It's unclear whether they can mount a proper defense now that NATO bombs have devastated their command and control system. And NATO air strikes could begin again as early as Wednesday, when a second 72-hour pause in the bombing ends.
The war's outcome, said Holbrooke while in Sarajevo on Sunday, could be decided "in the next few days and hours." The current trend in the Bosnian ground war is sure to be a major factor in determining the direction of the bloody conflict.
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Post by vinjak on Aug 12, 2008 2:16:15 GMT -5
You're one of those kids I got tired of since your opinion doesn't affect me and I don't respect you enough to discuss it anymore
Kid huh ? Lmao clearly you dont read posts in there entirety do you LOL
Well cmon prove me wrong it aint my opinion Dik I am posting articles for you Dumbass
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 12, 2008 2:32:01 GMT -5
You're one of those kids I got tired of since your opinion doesn't affect me and I don't respect you enough to discuss it anymore lol what vinjak says is true. and all you can come back with is a motivational poster. And why you calling him a kid? Isnt he in his 30's
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 12, 2008 3:39:38 GMT -5
Kosovo - Don not get me started on this. Georgians could not take 3 days of bombing whilst we managed 78. Kosovo was purely clean of all Albanians and the Serb military suffered little losses even after the horrific 78 day NATO bombing. The only reason why we withdrew was once again due to politics. I cannot remember a foreign force driving Serb forces out of Kosovo by force. Good you admit it was clean from Albanians (~2M ppl), guess they all decided to take a long vacation and Serbs had nothing to do with it? If Nato would had bombed as Russia is doing today, Serbia would not last 48 hours. Its a record how low the casualties was on civilians bombing for 78 days. Secondly, Serbia was not pushed out by force? What was those bombings, fireworks? Serbian army took shelter among civilians in Kosova so NATO could not bomb risk civilian casualties. Politics? Slobodan was the most hardcore nationalist in Serbia it was not due of politics but he pushed Serbian state to their limits until his commanders told him we are screwed, dont tell me lies you heard from serbian propaganda sites.
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Post by terroreign on Aug 12, 2008 3:44:18 GMT -5
Long live America!!!! I get tingles down my underpants when they militarily intervene in a foreign country!
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 12, 2008 3:53:06 GMT -5
Long live America!!!! I get tingles down my underpants when they militarily intervene in a foreign country! God bless America, the savior of the democratiic world.
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Post by terroreign on Aug 12, 2008 4:02:21 GMT -5
AMERICAAAA F**K YEAH! So lick my butt and suck on my balls!!!!
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 12, 2008 4:12:25 GMT -5
Good you admit it was clean from Albanians (~2M ppl), guess they all decided to take a long vacation and Serbs had nothing to do with it? If Nato would had bombed as Russia is doing today, Serbia would not last 48 hours. Its a record how low the casualties was on civilians bombing for 78 days. Secondly, Serbia was not pushed out by force? What was those bombings, fireworks? Serbian army took shelter among civilians in Kosova so NATO could not bomb risk civilian casualties. Politics? Slobodan was the most hardcore nationalist in Serbia it was not due of politics but he pushed Serbian state to their limits until his commanders told him we are screwed, dont tell me lies you heard from serbian propaganda sites. 300,000 Albanian refugees in Macedonia and 300,000 Albanian refugees in Albania =/= 2,000,000 Albanian refugees. (I got the number of 300,000 from the BBC/CNN propaganda machine, I am sure that the number of Albanian refugees was much less.)
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 12, 2008 4:23:29 GMT -5
Good you admit it was clean from Albanians (~2M ppl), guess they all decided to take a long vacation and Serbs had nothing to do with it? If Nato would had bombed as Russia is doing today, Serbia would not last 48 hours. Its a record how low the casualties was on civilians bombing for 78 days. Secondly, Serbia was not pushed out by force? What was those bombings, fireworks? Serbian army took shelter among civilians in Kosova so NATO could not bomb risk civilian casualties. Politics? Slobodan was the most hardcore nationalist in Serbia it was not due of politics but he pushed Serbian state to their limits until his commanders told him we are screwed, dont tell me lies you heard from serbian propaganda sites. 300,000 Albanian refugees in Macedonia and 300,000 Albanian refugees in Albania =/= 2,000,000 Albanian refugees. (I got the number of 300,000 from the BBC/CNN propaganda machine, I am sure that the number of Albanian refugees was much less.) fast google The conflict reached a tragic climax in 1999, as the Serbs chased away more than 800.000 Albanian Kosovars. Refugees fled to neighbouring countries Albania, Montenegro, and Macedonia. The international community finally reacted: NATO-troops carried out air-strikes to force the Serbian army to a standstill. In the short time they were given Serbian paramilitary troops nevertheless managed to destroy and plunder Kosovo. Before it all ended, an estimated 10.000 people were killed.www.warchild.org/projects/WC_Holland/Kosovo/kosovo.html
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 12, 2008 4:37:35 GMT -5
fast google The conflict reached a tragic climax in 1999, as the Serbs chased away more than 800.000 Albanian Kosovars. Refugees fled to neighbouring countries Albania, Montenegro, and Macedonia. The international community finally reacted: NATO-troops carried out air-strikes to force the Serbian army to a standstill. In the short time they were given Serbian paramilitary troops nevertheless managed to destroy and plunder Kosovo. Before it all ended, an estimated 10.000 people were killed.www.warchild.org/projects/WC_Holland/Kosovo/kosovo.htmlLets say the 800,000 number of accurate. That would mean less then half the Albanians in Kosovo were refugees.
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 12, 2008 5:33:37 GMT -5
fast google The conflict reached a tragic climax in 1999, as the Serbs chased away more than 800.000 Albanian Kosovars. Refugees fled to neighbouring countries Albania, Montenegro, and Macedonia. The international community finally reacted: NATO-troops carried out air-strikes to force the Serbian army to a standstill. In the short time they were given Serbian paramilitary troops nevertheless managed to destroy and plunder Kosovo. Before it all ended, an estimated 10.000 people were killed.www.warchild.org/projects/WC_Holland/Kosovo/kosovo.htmlLets say the 800,000 number of accurate. That would mean less then half the Albanians in Kosovo were refugees. Enough to bomb Serbia, and break away Kosova to its real owners, the ppl living there.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 12, 2008 6:51:23 GMT -5
Enough to bomb Serbia, and break away Kosova to its real owners, the ppl living there. So then Serbia has a casus belli for the thousands of missing/murdered Serb civilians in Kosovo and the hundreds of thousands of Serb refugees that the terror caused by Albanians has created. Its "Kosovo" you illiterate twit. It even says "Kosovo" on the fucking road signs into Kosovo.
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Post by karabin on Aug 12, 2008 10:53:40 GMT -5
Why would I deny that Kosovo was clean? Kosovo is Serbian land and when you try to steal it, you do not deserve to live there any longer. As far as 2 million albanians living in Kosovo goes, well we all know that 70% of those have crossed the borders illegally and were never issued a Yugoslav/Serbian passport hence they flooded Kosovo looking for a better life that Albania cannot offer. Kosovars my arse.
Don't you see the contradiction in what you said above? From what I read there, you are saying that we were bombed with "fireworks" hence we lasted 78 days and then you go about saying that we got pushed out by force because we did not get bombed by "fireworks". LOL man I think the western propaganda is getting to your little brain. I also see perfect correlation between NATO and Russia bombing. Prove me otherwise but chances are you cant.
Oh yes absolutely, NATO respects civilian targets that is why they were dropping cluster bombs in civilian areas throughout Serbia. That is why they hit the Chinese Ambassy with 3 cruise missiles. That is why the US army has caused 600,000 dead Iraqies and do not tell me they were all "terrorists".
You can go on spread this bulls**t to your family friends about NATO and US and how protective they are of civilians whilst keeping at the back of your mind that they are chewing you albanians as we speak for some of their own interests. Guess what will happen when the taste is gone?
I never said the Kosovo issue was political. The Kosovo issue was real and needed to be dealt with. How was the Serbian state pushed to its limit? Most of the military remained unharmed through out the 78 day long bombing.
Clinton had said it himself in his book that a land invasion was not possible due to the lengthy time it would take to accumulate forces and prepare a massive offensive in which the serbs could use that time to inflict heavy casualties to the NATO forces.
You would have also seen all the serbian military hardware that moved out of Kosovo in perfect functioning order. Therefore if anyone is spreading lies from propaganda sites it is you.
Then you have to support Russia and South Ossetia as well. Scenario is no different to Kosovo. I thank you very much for proving my point. I understand it is hard to backup arguments in a world that is full of double standards.
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Post by karabin on Aug 12, 2008 10:58:15 GMT -5
AMERICAAAA F**K YEAH! So lick my butt and suck on my balls!!!! Wishful thinking on your behalf wanting to have some balls. Quick now go back in the kitchen Ali.
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Post by kapetan on Aug 12, 2008 10:58:22 GMT -5
You're one of those kids I got tired of since your opinion doesn't affect me and I don't respect you enough to discuss it anymore lol what vinjak says is true. and all you can come back with is a motivational poster. And why you calling him a kid? Isnt he in his 30's The f**k? He's saying things I said. Pointlessly. The US stopped us short of Banja Luka. Did he prove RS would exist wthout banja luka and farther? No. Insted he's trying to prove Serbia proper would go in fully. Maybe so. Either way didn't dissprove what I said. Serbia couldn't beat Kosovo in the end LOL. No matter what you do in the end you lose. In other words, Serbia would've come and kicked everyones ass? ...PROVE IT!!!! ;D lmao thats his tactic right? And yes he's a kid to me cuz kids are nonsensical idiots, and tha's what he is 99% of the time. But if he IS 35, that's even sadder.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 12, 2008 11:06:57 GMT -5
The f**k? He's saying things I said. Pointlessly. The US stopped us short of Banja Luka. Arkan (a band of a few thousand militiamen) stopped the joint Croat/Muslim (tens of thousands of fully mechanized units) army despite the logistical problems that the victims (hundreds of thousands of refugees) of Operacija Oluja made. The idea that Croats/Muslims stopped because international reaction would turn against even though the "international community" said/did nothing during Operacija Oluja is laughable.
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Post by karabin on Aug 12, 2008 11:11:55 GMT -5
LOL, thank you US for saving us from Muslims. Interesting these little stories you get told over and over again. A lie spoken 1000 times becomes truth..etc I have listened to endless stories how a few people with only a few shotguns and kitchen knifes defeated the "bad" serbs. Grow up kid seriously.
Please can you explain to me that if Serbs were at the verge of defeat by the Muslim forces, why needed NATO to bomb serbian positions to bring the Serbs to Dayton and therefore the negotiating table?
I have also listened to stories from my Grandmother how the Partizans defeated the Nazis which is complete bullcrap because we all know that the germans got defeated on the Eastern Front and the Western Theater had opened so they had no choice but to pull forces back to face the russians and allies but hey to me as a kid it was the Partizans defeating the germans. This time around it is the Muslims "defeating" the Serbs.
You are so badly consumed within your hate towards serbs that you are spreading granddaddy bedtime stories here.
Serbia beat Kosovo. Kosovo was under full serbian control within 2-3 weeks of NATO bombing commencement. Keep in mind that Serbia lasted 78 days whilst getting bombed by 26 countries. NATO won the war for Kosovo not the Albanians.
Look at Georgia they did not even last 3 days being bombed by only 1 country.
Well likewise you are a kid to us because you keep on spreading bed time stories. Likewise we do not value your opinion.
Have a nice day... kid
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