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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 12, 2008 11:17:07 GMT -5
I doubt anyone here is below 16 years of age so I doubt anyone here is a child/kid/boy/girl/whatever and even if there were, there is no reason to belittle them because of their age. Seriously though, I know some 10 year olds who are infinitely more intelligent then some of the Ustashi, Balije and Siptari on these forums.
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 12, 2008 13:33:48 GMT -5
Enough to bomb Serbia, and break away Kosova to its real owners, the ppl living there. So then Serbia has a casus belli for the thousands of missing/murdered Serb civilians in Kosovo and the hundreds of thousands of Serb refugees that the terror caused by Albanians has created. Its "Kosovo" you illiterate twit. It even says "Kosovo" on the f**king road signs into Kosovo. Serbia started all the wars, commited ruthless atrocities. You have no right! Its Kosova for me and another 12 million Albanians, you dont like it pity
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 12, 2008 13:44:23 GMT -5
Why would I deny that Kosovo was clean? Kosovo is Serbian land and when you try to steal it, you do not deserve to live there any longer. As far as 2 million albanians living in Kosovo goes, well we all know that 70% of those have crossed the borders illegally and were never issued a Yugoslav/Serbian passport hence they flooded Kosovo looking for a better life that Albania cannot offer. Kosovars my arse. Don't you see the contradiction in what you said above? From what I read there, you are saying that we were bombed with "fireworks" hence we lasted 78 days and then you go about saying that we got pushed out by force because we did not get bombed by "fireworks". LOL man I think the western propaganda is getting to your little brain. I also see perfect correlation between NATO and Russia bombing. Prove me otherwise but chances are you cant. Oh yes absolutely, NATO respects civilian targets that is why they were dropping cluster bombs in civilian areas throughout Serbia. That is why they hit the Chinese Ambassy with 3 cruise missiles. That is why the US army has caused 600,000 dead Iraqies and do not tell me they were all "terrorists". You can go on spread this bulls**t to your family friends about NATO and US and how protective they are of civilians whilst keeping at the back of your mind that they are chewing you albanians as we speak for some of their own interests. Guess what will happen when the taste is gone? I never said the Kosovo issue was political. The Kosovo issue was real and needed to be dealt with. How was the Serbian state pushed to its limit? Most of the military remained unharmed through out the 78 day long bombing. Clinton had said it himself in his book that a land invasion was not possible due to the lengthy time it would take to accumulate forces and prepare a massive offensive in which the serbs could use that time to inflict heavy casualties to the NATO forces. You would have also seen all the serbian military hardware that moved out of Kosovo in perfect functioning order. Therefore if anyone is spreading lies from propaganda sites it is you. Then you have to support Russia and South Ossetia as well. Scenario is no different to Kosovo. I thank you very much for proving my point. I understand it is hard to backup arguments in a world that is full of double standards. Re-read what I wrote, did they use fireworks? ( ? ) Go back to school, you sure as hell dont seem to pay attention when you try to read or type for that matter. Kosova was never clean of Albanian, that was what you Serbs were hoping and supporting Milosheviq 100% and when things started to go out of control you all blamed him and played innocent ppl screaming to IC why you are now being punished. Here is the truth, democratic IC has not state run media as Serbia had back in those days. Everyone knew and what took place and action had to be taken against the Belgrad regime, simple as that. You blame us Albanian for protesting first back in the 60's, but we only did that befor we got our autonomy, Tito knew how to handle us, you Serbs didnt, you wanted the whole cake for yourself and the rest is history, dont need to explain how things look today. When you have MUP protecting Kosovar border against veteran hooligans, it shows they know were the border ends.
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Post by kapetan on Aug 12, 2008 16:30:50 GMT -5
LOL, thank you US for saving us from Muslims. Interesting these little stories you get told over and over again. A lie spoken 1000 times becomes truth..etc I have listened to endless stories how a few people with only a few shotguns and kitchen knifes defeated the "bad" serbs. Grow up kid seriously. Please can you explain to me that if Serbs were at the verge of defeat by the Muslim forces, why needed NATO to bomb serbian positions to bring the Serbs to Dayton and therefore the negotiating table? I have also listened to stories from my Grandmother how the Partizans defeated the Nazis which is complete bullcrap because we all know that the germans got defeated on the Eastern Front and the Western Theater had opened so they had no choice but to pull forces back to face the russians and allies but hey to me as a kid it was the Partizans defeating the germans. This time around it is the Muslims "defeating" the Serbs. You are so badly consumed within your hate towards serbs that you are spreading granddaddy bedtime stories here. Serbia beat Kosovo. Kosovo was under full serbian control within 2-3 weeks of NATO bombing commencement. Keep in mind that Serbia lasted 78 days whilst getting bombed by 26 countries. NATO won the war for Kosovo not the Albanians. Look at Georgia they did not even last 3 days being bombed by only 1 country. Well likewise you are a kid to us because you keep on spreading bed time stories. Likewise we do not value your opinion. Have a nice day... kid KEEP IT CIVIL JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT PWNED DONT MEAN YOU CAN BE OFFENSIVE TO MEMBERS HERE.
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Post by vinjak on Aug 12, 2008 18:48:42 GMT -5
I know its hard to swallow for you but you must realise you didnt defeat Serbia your gains where due to the smashing Nato gave the RS Serbs, all communication lines where destroyed no orders where getting through and there was massive confusion. As I have clearly showed you from CNN reports the real worry for international forces was that Serbia would commit ground troups and that the RS Serbs would regroup, this would draw out the war and the gains you won would be short lived. This is not just my opinion the articles i posted state it also had you bothered to read them in there entirety. You call someone a child yet you go off like a toddler when you know you are not right.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 13, 2008 0:25:33 GMT -5
Serbia started all the wars, commited ruthless atrocities. You have no right! Serbia started nothing. It was the Slovenes, Croats, Muslims and Albanians that hated Yugoslavia and supported their politicians as they declared "independence." It was Serbia who tried to remain neutral during the wars as it took wounded soldiers from all sides. Serbia never committed any atrocities and you fucking parasitic mother fuckers are yet to prove to me otherwise. Stop fucking spamming and trolling and POST SOME FUCKING PROOF. Its Kosova for me and another 12 million Albanians, you dont like it pity Its not "Kosova" to Albanians because your fucking road signs say "Republic of Kosovo" you fucking idiot.
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Post by kapetan on Aug 13, 2008 14:16:57 GMT -5
You lost every conflict
we all got what we wanted
i dont see a greater serbia
deal with it
*laugh*
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 13, 2008 16:23:08 GMT -5
Serbia started all the wars, commited ruthless atrocities. You have no right! Serbia started nothing. It was the Slovenes, Croats, Muslims and Albanians that hated Yugoslavia and supported their politicians as they declared "independence." It was Serbia who tried to remain neutral during the wars as it took wounded soldiers from all sides. Serbia never committed any atrocities and you f**king parasitic mother f**kers are yet to prove to me otherwise. Stop f**king spamming and trolling and POST SOME f**kING PROOF. Its Kosova for me and another 12 million Albanians, you dont like it pity Its not "Kosova" to Albanians because your f**king road signs say "Republic of Kosovo" you f**king idiot. You are right, Serbia is the victim here who got invaded by all former ex-yugo republics. You, yes you guys commited atrocities in Bosnia and Kosova, thats a fact. You may deny but the democratic IC knows what took place and had to punish Serbia for that (I'm getting tired of repeat this all the time), just as Germany had their punishmed, but they are civilized and swallowed it and look at them today, look at Serbia? Ahh its the evil American and European empire who want to crush Serbia since its a huge threat to their interest, plz spare me the BS. The welcome sign reads, "Republika e Kosovës [ALB] Republika Kosova [SRB] Republic of Kosovo [ENG]..." I drove past this sign 1½ week ago, who's the idiot now?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 13, 2008 18:35:55 GMT -5
"You, yes you guys commited atrocities in Bosnia and Kosova, thats a fact."
Prove to me that Rachak etc....isn't a fable. Prove to me that the secret services from Germany, US and UK didn't train the KLA terrorists, prove to me that osama bin laden didn't visit kosovo and his al-qeida arn't there and prove to me that 2 thousand people did not loose their lives.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 14, 2008 2:30:08 GMT -5
You are right, Serbia is the victim here who got invaded by all former ex-yugo republics. Serbia never invaded any country and has only been invaded by NATO. You, yes you guys commited atrocities in Bosnia and Kosova, thats a fact. You may deny but the democratic IC knows what took place and had to punish Serbia for that (I'm getting tired of repeat this all the time), just as Germany had their punishmed, but they are civilized and swallowed it and look at them today, look at Serbia? Ahh its the evil American and European empire who want to crush Serbia since its a huge threat to their interest, plz spare me the BS. I didn't commit any atrocities. I have pictures Muslim/Albanian atrocities, if you wish to see them. All you have on the other hand is mindless rhetoric. The welcome sign reads, "Republika e Kosovës [ALB] Republika Kosova [SRB] Republic of Kosovo [ENG]..." I drove past this sign 1½ week ago, who's the idiot now? You are. We're speaking English, twit.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 14, 2008 3:28:23 GMT -5
Of course, without US we would have all of Bosnia! No need for RS then.
Jesus, *one* Russian victory and the majority of mudjahedins/shiptars are already on tranquilizers!
P.S. Hey kapetan, did you notice how Tayeep Erdogan ( your PM) was smiling to Medvedev on their meeting yesterday, and "agreeing" with him? he he he.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 14, 2008 4:01:05 GMT -5
"Serbia never invaded any country and has only been invaded by NATO."
And of course that refers ONLY on kosovo with the Albie majority. NATO never stepped foot on Serbia proper. They could not do it then, not now and especially not in the future.
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Post by vinjak on Aug 14, 2008 20:10:42 GMT -5
Jesus, *one* Russian victory and the majority of mudjahedins/shiptars are already on tranquilizers!
LOL
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Post by zgembo on Aug 14, 2008 21:09:06 GMT -5
You are right, Serbia is the victim here who got invaded by all former ex-yugo republics. You, yes you guys commited atrocities in Bosnia and Kosova, thats a fact. You may deny but the democratic IC knows what took place and had to punish Serbia for that (I'm getting tired of repeat this all the time), just as Germany had their punishmed, but they are civilized and swallowed it and look at them today, look at Serbia? Ahh its the evil American and European empire who want to crush Serbia since its a huge threat to their interest, plz spare me the BS. Serbia is the victim because the democratic IC broke up Yugoslavia, on the basis of communist-drawn borders that were designed to benefit every other ethnicity but the Serbs (whose sole benefit was keeping Yugoslavia together so that we would all live in a single state, something we sacrificed 1 million men for in WW1).
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Post by Demonel on Aug 15, 2008 13:08:15 GMT -5
I gotta make a few points.
1. No one won the Bosnian war. 2. According to Balkan Battlegrounds: A Military History of the Yugoslav Conflict, 1990- 1995. Vol. 1. By the Office of Russian and European Analysis, CIA: The authors put paid to the notion that advice to Tudjman from rented retired U.S. generals and NATO air strikes, drove the Bosnian Serbs to Dayton. Indeed, they argue that the most intense NATO air operation neither forced the Serb evacuation of the restricted area around Sarajevo, nor prevented the Serbs shifting large bodies of troops during the '95 Croatian-Muslim fall offensives. 3. Serbia won in Kosovo but was latter driven out from Kosovo by NATO. 4. Arkan was commanding the VRS forces during Operation Sana, there were estimated 20k – 30k “militiamen” and we all know they didn-t stop the 25k strong 5th corps forces. 5. The second Markale massacre occurred on August 28, 1995 when a mortar shell killed 37 people and wounded another 90. This latter attack was the stated reason for NATO air strikes against the Bosnian Serb forces that would eventually lead to the Dayton Peace Accords and the end of the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
July 25 - July 30, 1995 Operation Summer '95
On July 25th, Croat forces attacked from Herzegovina, driving north through the Dinara hills. The attack met with only minor resistance and Croat forces could advance quickly. The city of Bosansko Grahovo was a major stronghold for Serb forces in the area and offered fierce resistance. Croatian forces defeated these, however, inflicting heavy casualties. The city was captured on July 28th. City of Glamoè was taken the following day. The Operation was officially ended on July 30th, at which time about 1600 square kilometers of Bosnian territory were captured.
August 4 – August 7, 1995 Operation Operation Storm
August 7, 1995 Croatian and Bosnian army units linked up at Zirovaæ, to the east of the Bihaæ pocket. The Bosnian town of Velika Kladuša, which had been the "capital" of the self-proclaimed breakaway Republic of Western Bosnia (Bosniak forces of Fikret Abdiæ), was captured by Bosnian forces.
September 8 - September 15, 1995 Operation: Mistral
Two elite Croatian brigades, which captured Knin during Storm, the 4th and 7th Guard Brigades, returned to Bosnian territory and attacked north from the area around Bosansko Grahovo, captured during the summer. The first phase of the Operation (Mistral 1) begun on September 8th and first Serb lines were broken quickly. Opposing the Croatians were 7 light infantry brigades, one motorized brigade and two armored battalions of the Serb forces. The city of Šipovo fell quickly and the 7th Guard Brigade captured the strategically important mountain pass of Mliništa. Jajce was captured on September 13th and the first phase ended on that day at 1800 hours at which time about 2000 square kilometers had changed hands. Following this, the second phase of the operation (Mistral 2) begun, during which Drvar was captured on September 14th, and the operation ended on September 30th. When it ended, only the city of Mrkonjiæ Grad remained between Croat forces and the Serb capital of Banja Luka. Mrkonjiæ Grad was captured soon after, during Operation Južni potez (Oct 8-12 1995.). At the same time, the Bosnian Fifth Corps from Bihaæ, on the left wing of the Croatian advance, launched its own simultaneous offensive and captured Krupa, Bosanski Petrovac and Kljuè; advancing on Prijedor, west of Banja Luka. Although Bosnian actions were not part of Operation Mistral, the advancement of the two armies were coordinated as part of*general fall offensive in western Bosnia.
October 10 - October 13, 1995 Operation Sana
Day 1: October 10 The operation started at 3:00 A.M. on October 10, 1995. ABiH's Fifth Corps successfully crossed the river Sana by 4:00 A.M. and by 5:00 P.M. the ARBiH forces had the city of Sanski Most in sight. Day 2: October 11 The ARBiH encircled VRS forces in Sanski Most and their positions were bombed throughout the day. Serb forces responded by launching counterattacks, including air assaults via helicopters. Day 3: October 12 The civilians left the city in masses. The ARBiH began to move into parts of the city. The city was fully captured within 9 to 10 hours. The Fifth Corps of the ARBiH placed their new Headquarters in the "Sana Hotel" in the city. Day 4: October 13 The peace talks in Dayton, Ohio continued and the ARBiH was asked to stop all their offensive operations until an agreement was reached.The war ended on the same day with the Dayton Agreement being reached. As a result of the operation, the area of Sanski Most is today part of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as opposed to the Republika Srpska.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 15, 2008 18:27:31 GMT -5
"Serbia is the victim because the democratic IC broke up Yugoslavia, on the basis of communist-drawn borders that were designed to benefit every other ethnicity but the Serbs (whose sole benefit was keeping Yugoslavia together so that we would all live in a single state, something we sacrificed 1 million men for in WW1)."
I have read even serbia gave up territorial rewards, unselfishly, so others could be free. If it were Albanians in serbia's position then, they would had selfishly taken everything.
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Post by karabin on Aug 15, 2008 21:51:35 GMT -5
If it were Albanians in serbia's position then, they would had selfishly taken everything. The Great Albania dream. So far it has been going alright for the albanians in terms of that dream. See what happens in the future.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 17, 2008 0:12:15 GMT -5
4. Arkan was commanding the VRS forces during Operation Sana, there were estimated 20k – 30k “militiamen” and we all know they didn-t stop the 25k strong 5th corps forces. There is no other logical reason other then them being militarily defeated... and since when was it 30,000?
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Post by Demonel on Aug 17, 2008 6:37:18 GMT -5
Ask Arkan.
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