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Post by bob1389 on Aug 11, 2008 19:09:02 GMT -5
...been invovled in under false pretenses?
Vietnam - 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident Iraq - Weapons of mass destruction Serbia - Racak 'massacre'
Am I missing any?
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Post by Anittas on Aug 11, 2008 19:40:34 GMT -5
...been invovled in under false pretenses? Vietnam - 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident Iraq - Weapons of mass destruction Serbia - Racak 'massacre' Am I missing any? Yes, you are missing the rest. The war against the Native Americans; Mexico; Cuba, Spain and the Philippines; and the wars in South America. Even their involvement in WW2 had other reasons that those declared by them.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 11, 2008 20:08:13 GMT -5
and sadly the goats in are still believing them
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Aug 11, 2008 20:13:16 GMT -5
Lets count how many pointless wars Serbia has faught and lost hmm? Kosovo Battle Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empite until 1913 - Never Serbia Slovenia - Badly lost and surrendered Croatia - Badly lost and surrendered Bosnia - Caused a lot of genocide and pain but still lost Kosovo - Genocide and lost.
Next Montonegro I am thinking... or even Srbska Republika.
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Post by Anthologic on Aug 11, 2008 20:22:59 GMT -5
Lets count how many pointless wars Serbia has faught and lost hmm? Kosovo Battle Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empite until 1913 - Never Serbia Slovenia - Badly lost and surrendered Croatia - Badly lost and surrendered Bosnia - Caused a lot of genocide and pain but still lost Kosovo - Genocide and lost. Next Montonegro I am thinking... or even Srbska Republika. I'm confused. No wait....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 11, 2008 20:24:08 GMT -5
"Lets count how many pointless wars Serbia has faught and lost hmm? Kosovo Battle Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empite until 1913 - Never Serbia Slovenia - Badly lost and surrendered Croatia - Badly lost and surrendered Bosnia - Caused a lot of genocide and pain but still lost Kosovo - Genocide and lost.
Next Montonegro I am thinking... or even Srbska Republika."
and why did albanians participate in all these wars when it wasn't a threat to their national interest?
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Post by bob1389 on Aug 11, 2008 20:28:09 GMT -5
The US have already hinted at attacking positions in Pakistan (against their permission) in order to locate Bin Laden, could escalate things in that region.
Iran is defintely prime for a plucking, just interesting to wait and see what excuses would (will) be used.
Fun times ahead.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 11, 2008 20:30:27 GMT -5
^ war is a massive money making scheme.
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Post by bob1389 on Aug 11, 2008 20:33:33 GMT -5
Lets count how many pointless wars Serbia has faught and lost hmm? Kosovo Battle Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empite until 1913 - Never Serbia Slovenia - Badly lost and surrendered Croatia - Badly lost and surrendered Bosnia - Caused a lot of genocide and pain but still lost Kosovo - Genocide and lost. Next Montonegro I am thinking... or even Srbska Republika. Serbia was never at war with Croatia or Bosnia. Slovenia was a 10 day skirmish as JNA troops already based there were attacked. Can't even include Kosovo in that list as the Serbian military was fighting an Albanian Muslim insurgency who were killing police officers and regular citizens. Serbia had every right to defend its territorial integrity, regardless of what you heard on CNN. Genocide in Kosovo? haaaaa... that's yet still to come
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Post by karabin on Aug 11, 2008 22:09:25 GMT -5
Lets count how many pointless wars Serbia has faught and lost hmm? Kosovo Battle Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empite until 1913 - Never Serbia Slovenia - Badly lost and surrendered Croatia - Badly lost and surrendered Bosnia - Caused a lot of genocide and pain but still lost Kosovo - Genocide and lost. Next Montonegro I am thinking... or even Srbska Republika. Since you seem to be lacking severely in history education, let me educate you a little bit. Slovenia - It was the JNA intervening not Serbia. Reason for that is that under the constitution of Yugoslavia it was illegal to separate or declare independence unless all other republics part of Yugoslavia have agreed and approved it. Since that was not the case the JNA obviously had to intervene. Now given that the JNA was made up of all the ethnic groups it obviously was not going to last like that. Croatia - Serbs had massive advancements and victories over pretty much all of croatia. Serb forces came to 40km to Zagreb. Then all of a sudden Serbs stopped advancing and the whole conflict was frozen for 3-4 years. Something has got to be ringing your bells here!?! No resistance, yet you holt the advancement for 3-4 years? Then in 1995 you pull out most of your troops? You have to be blind man not to see a political game here. Operation storm was a operation to cleanse Serbian civilians from Krajina and that is all it did. Therefore no loss here, dirty political game. Bosnia - How did we lose? By the time Dayton was signed Serbs were in control of over 70% of Bosnia. Even in Bosnia politics were prevent Serbian forces from fully operating as intended. I will know, my father was on the front there and some of the commands they received were simply ridiculous. Many times when the Serbs could have just walked into a territory and take it, orders were not to do it. Why? Politics. You won't believe this but they were even sent to support the Croats on the Croat - Muslim front. Most of you here won't know these things because you were never there but only listen to CNN and other propaganda media outlets. In terms of genocide, 30,000 Serb civilians have died throughout the Bosnian conflict. We all by now know that they did not carry out suicide. The question here is, who is responsible for their death? No one is held accountable for crimes against Serbs. Srebrenica was a Serbian response to the 3000 serbs who got massacred in and around Srebrenica by Naser Oric and his troops whilst they used the UN safety zone as a shelter. When Mladic and his forces came, where was Oric then? Ran away like a coward. Kosovo - Don not get me started on this. Georgians could not take 3 days of bombing whilst we managed 78. Kosovo was purely clean of all Albanians and the Serb military suffered little losses even after the horrific 78 day NATO bombing. The only reason why we withdrew was once again due to politics. I cannot remember a foreign force driving Serb forces out of Kosovo by force. As far as Montenegro and RS go, your fantasy is playing games on you. Serbs are happy with RS, the only one who could trigger another war in Bosnia would once again be the Muslims.
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Post by vinjak on Aug 11, 2008 22:30:49 GMT -5
You won't believe this but they were even sent to support the Croats on the Croat - Muslim front. Most of you here won't know these things because you were never there but only listen to CNN and other propaganda media outlets.
There has only been one time in my 37 years on this planet that I laughed, cried and was enraged all at the same time and that was when Croat reinforcments where being sent to support the Serb troops on the Muslim front.... Serbs provided the buses and the Croat reinforcments where made to lay down there arms before boarding the buses and then there weapons where trucked seperatley they had to cross Serb held territory.... Packets of marlbro where swapped for porn mags,pasteta, jars of kisela paprika,cans of cheese (anyone tried cheese in a can ? its not bad LOL) etc oh the F^%ken insanity of that war.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 11, 2008 23:11:59 GMT -5
Serbia was never at war with Croatia or Bosnia. I suppose the tanks that left belgrade for Croatia were going to the coast on holidays.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 11, 2008 23:46:45 GMT -5
Since you seem to be lacking severely in history education, let me educate you a little bit. Slovenia - It was the JNA intervening not Serbia. Reason for that is that under the constitution of Yugoslavia it was illegal to separate or declare independence unless all other republics part of Yugoslavia have agreed and approved it. Since that was not the case the JNA obviously had to intervene. Now given that the JNA was made up of all the ethnic groups it obviously was not going to last like that. Croatia - Serbs had massive advancements and victories over pretty much all of croatia. Serb forces came to 40km to Zagreb. Then all of a sudden Serbs stopped advancing and the whole conflict was frozen for 3-4 years. Something has got to be ringing your bells here!?! No resistance, yet you holt the advancement for 3-4 years? Then in 1995 you pull out most of your troops? You have to be blind man not to see a political game here. Operation storm was a operation to cleanse Serbian civilians from Krajina and that is all it did. Therefore no loss here, dirty political game. Bosnia - How did we lose? By the time Dayton was signed Serbs were in control of over 70% of Bosnia. Even in Bosnia politics were prevent Serbian forces from fully operating as intended. I will know, my father was on the front there and some of the commands they received were simply ridiculous. Many times when the Serbs could have just walked into a territory and take it, orders were not to do it. Why? Politics. You won't believe this but they were even sent to support the Croats on the Croat - Muslim front. Most of you here won't know these things because you were never there but only listen to CNN and other propaganda media outlets. In terms of genocide, 30,000 Serb civilians have died throughout the Bosnian conflict. We all by now know that they did not carry out suicide. The question here is, who is responsible for their death? No one is held accountable for crimes against Serbs. Srebrenica was a Serbian response to the 3000 serbs who got massacred in and around Srebrenica by Naser Oric and his troops whilst they used the UN safety zone as a shelter. When Mladic and his forces came, where was Oric then? Ran away like a coward. Kosovo - Don not get me started on this. Georgians could not take 3 days of bombing whilst we managed 78. Kosovo was purely clean of all Albanians and the Serb military suffered little losses even after the horrific 78 day NATO bombing. The only reason why we withdrew was once again due to politics. I cannot remember a foreign force driving Serb forces out of Kosovo by force. As far as Montenegro and RS go, your fantasy is playing games on you. Serbs are happy with RS, the only one who could trigger another war in Bosnia would once again be the Muslims. Very much agree except for the Kosovo one since it wasn't the aim of the Yugoslav army to "purify" Kosovo and there were hundreds of thousands of Albanians in Kosovo during the bombing. I suppose the tanks that left belgrade for Croatia were going to the coast on holidays. When they crossed the border into Krajina, they were given to VRK.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 11, 2008 23:52:03 GMT -5
The only "Pro-yugoslav" Albs were the one or two men at the top of the chain in Kosova, placed there by Milosevic once he stripped the land of its autonomy. There was no significant pro-Yugoslav feelings among the Kosovar Albanians. In fact, this was always a problem for Yugoslavia: very little Albanian activity in the state.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 12, 2008 0:25:49 GMT -5
^ WTF are you on about?
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Post by kapetan on Aug 12, 2008 0:33:42 GMT -5
Lets count how many pointless wars Serbia has faught and lost hmm? Kosovo Battle Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empite until 1913 - Never Serbia Slovenia - Badly lost and surrendered Croatia - Badly lost and surrendered Bosnia - Caused a lot of genocide and pain but still lost Kosovo - Genocide and lost. Next Montonegro I am thinking... or even Srbska Republika. . Bosnia - How did we lose? By the time Dayton was signed Serbs were in control of over 70% of Bosnia. Even in Bosnia politics were prevent Serbian forces from fully operating as intended. I will know, my father was on the front there and some of the commands they received were simply ridiculous. Many times when the Serbs could have just walked into a territory and take it, orders were not to do it. Why? Politics. You won't believe this but they were even sent to support the Croats on the Croat - Muslim front. Most of you here won't know these things because you were never there but only listen to CNN and other propaganda media outlets. In terms of genocide, 30,000 Serb civilians have died throughout the Bosnian conflict. We all by now know that they did not carry out suicide. The question here is, who is responsible for their death? No one is held accountable for crimes against Serbs. Srebrenica was a Serbian response to the 3000 serbs who got massacred in and around Srebrenica by Naser Oric and his troops whilst they used the UN safety zone as a shelter. When Mladic and his forces came, where was Oric then? Ran away like a coward. . Front lines right before Dayton. Pretty much how BIH is today. So no, not 70% lmao. Which is hillarious since after your innitial victories we held so little, but by 1994 and 1995 especialy you were losing teritory so rapidly, to a lesser equiped force, that the Americans themselves stopped us from taking Banja Luka. Our last Operation was stopped when Dayton was signed. They threatened us with bombing. This was confirmed on the news by Alija, Halbrook and other international figures and written in their books. In August 1995, following the Srebrenica massacre, NATO launched an intensive two-week bombing campaign which destroyed the Bosnian Serb command and control system. This allowed the Croatian and Bosniak forces to overrun many Serb-held areas of the country, producing a roughly 50/50 split of the territory between the two sides. The offensive came to a halt not far from the de facto Serb capital of Banja Luka. When the Bosniaks stopped their advance they had captured the power plants supplying Banja Luka's electricity and used that control to pressure the Serb leadership into accepting a cease fire.
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In line with the Croat-Bosniak agreement, Croatian forces operated in western Bosnia (Operation Summer '95) and in early August launched Operation Storm, taking over the Serb Krajina in Croatia. With this, the Bosniak-Croat alliance gained the initiative in the war, taking much of western Bosnia from the Serbs in several operations, including: Mistral and Sana. These forces now came to threaten the Bosnian Serb capital Banja Luka with direct ground attack.
So the irony is without Americans RS wouldn't exist. Even funnier yet is that they've all gone on to regret that decision later. Also, your original gain was yo keep Bosnia, we wanted independance. We got it. Croatia got it. Even Kosovo got it. Seems like we kind of won huh? But you should know this right? "You were there" *laugh* enjoy the animation from 92-95
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Post by vinjak on Aug 12, 2008 0:47:20 GMT -5
So the irony is without Americans RS wouldn't exist. Even funnier yet is that they've all gone on to regret that decision later.OMG I dont know if your acting here or you really do not know. Without America Your gains would have been impossible as the yanks where your airforce and they certainly would not let you capitalize on there work to even the playing field. And Had you ignored the US and taken Banja Luka The US threatened to not only bomb your ass but to leave you to the Bosnian Serbs also Serbia would have been dragged into the war and you would have been bombed to high heaven so dont play stupid. You would have taken it but definatley would not have been able to keep it. Also, your original gain was yo keep Bosnia, we wanted independance. We got it. Croatia got it. Even Kosovo got it. Seems like we kind of won huh?Wrong the original aim was to split Bosnia and give Serbs there own republic which has been done. Croatia's independence was not fought over it was the Krajina region
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Post by kapetan on Aug 12, 2008 0:51:04 GMT -5
So the irony is without Americans RS wouldn't exist. Even funnier yet is that they've all gone on to regret that decision later.OMG I dont know if your acting here or you really do not know. Without America Your gains would have been impossible as the yanks where your airforce and they certainly would not let you capitalize on there work to even the playing field. And Had you ignored the US and taken Banja Luka The US threatened to not only bomb your ass but to leave you to the Bosnian Serbs also Serbia would have been dragged into the war and you would have been bombed to high heaven so dont play stupid. Also, your original gain was yo keep Bosnia, we wanted independance. We got it. Croatia got it. Even Kosovo got it. Seems like we kind of won huh?Wrong the original aim was to split Bosnia and give Serbs there own republic which has been done. LMAO keep telling yourself that you poor little brainwashed cedo.
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Post by vinjak on Aug 12, 2008 0:51:37 GMT -5
Prove me wrong Siptar
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Post by kapetan on Aug 12, 2008 0:56:54 GMT -5
lmao typical pathetic logic of the same kid as always say something no matter how stupid it is, then say PROVE IT!!!!!! PROVE ME WRONG!!!! then ignore anything anyone posts anyway. You can do that with ANYTHING. it's like you get off on wasting peoples time. Well I can't really prove to you right now that Hitler shot himself, but it's kind of generaly accepted know what I mean? By everyone except maybe some wacko nazis. and this case most things about the bosnian that are generaly accepted are only rejected by serbs. like the nazis. mrs nazad u brda lmao
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