bg
New Member
Posts: 7
|
Post by bg on Dec 17, 2007 8:25:18 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by kasso on Dec 17, 2007 10:00:11 GMT -5
In what way is it illegal, they had their purpose didn't they?
|
|
Dsurazal
Commanding Moderator
Posts: 174
|
Post by Dsurazal on Dec 17, 2007 11:33:23 GMT -5
Um where to begin?
False claims of genocide, false murder statistics, false reason's to bomb Belgrade, the US's real agenda there, finding loopholes for the UN's continued occupation of Kosovo, finding ways around international laws, overlooking international laws. You name it and it's been done here.
It's too bad the US media does no reporting on this scenario. How about watching the "Brooklyn Connection" and see all the payoffs being done by Albanian's and the ways they lie to the government to smuggle arms.
Purpose? Yes to use the Kosovo Albanians as a way to limit Serbia's power. It's similar to what Hitler did in WWII. He made false claims that Germans were being mistreated in other countries, than they blitzkrieged it and occupied it.
|
|
Mimi
Amicus
Kosovo IS Albania!
Posts: 463
|
Post by Mimi on Dec 17, 2007 12:06:51 GMT -5
it was perfectly legal, they numbers of death people would have been higher if Nato did not intervened, innocent people were dying and were chased out of their homes. i guess ya feel thretened, you knew this day will come didnt you? so you tried to prevent it but made it worse
|
|
|
Post by Pejoni on Dec 17, 2007 12:36:05 GMT -5
It was a humanitarian war, nothing illegale with that
|
|
Dsurazal
Commanding Moderator
Posts: 174
|
Post by Dsurazal on Dec 17, 2007 17:10:31 GMT -5
First off, I don't know who your speaking too because I have no family in Serbia so how do I feel threatened? I knew this day would come? The day I posted on the forums? You are making no sense and at the same time trying to propagate a reason for the illegal actions taken. None of it sizes up, there were around 700 Albs killed, a lot of which I am sure were KLA or similar. 700 people out of almost 2 million?The fact of the matter was this was an internal affair within Serbia's boarders. The US took actions WITHOUT UN approval - this is ILLEGAL. I suggest you find out what happened and come back here before speaking another word.
Hell China kills people every day, they are known for there inhumane treatment of citizens, etc. The US knows about it but what do they do? Nothing because they can't and do not want to screw up relations with China. Who they paid $800,000,000 last year for exports - that is mostly made in sweat shop working conditions.
So, your telling me that America was so moved by 700 people being killed that they HAD to do something? give it a rest, the US was looking for an "in" to the Balkans and a way to limit Serbia's power and found it with Kosovo. This is obvious and if you can't see it than it's not worthing engaging in a meaningful dialogue with you because the obvious truth is way over your head.
The propaganda train driven by the word "genocide" has been dis- proven which leaves the US with no legs to stand on in conjunction with why they are even involved in the Balkans for anything but personal gain.
|
|
|
Post by albanesehoney on Dec 17, 2007 21:36:21 GMT -5
there were around 700 Albs killed, a lot of which I am sure were KLA or similar. 700 people out of almost 2 million?The fact of the matter was this was an internal affair within Serbia's boarders. The US took actions WITHOUT UN approval - this is ILLEGAL.. So, your telling me that America was so moved by 700 people being killed that they HAD to do something? give it a rest, the US was looking for an "in" to the Balkans and a way to limit Serbia's power and found it with Kosovo. . That's right! Serbia needed to be taught a lesson in civics and civic relations with the masses, especially minority groups and a certain Lockian concept called the Social Contract. Once Serbia stepped on this contract with the Albanian Dominanated province of Kosova, then all bets were off. Serbia needed to taste its own medicine and methods they used on yugo's minority groups, in all 3 previous wars. You're lucky Nato didn't do the truly just thing to Serbia and that is to occupy it the way they did to Germany, for 60 years or more, till they de-radicalized your people. But, they took a rather wiser route and that was to limit Serbia in influence and power. WE know that sooner or later, Serbs can't live among and with each other, scamming and lying to each other, the way you tried to do to the other minorities in yugo. Now, Serbia is nation of equals. Let's see how you handle equal rights and rule of law, among equal radicalized Serbs. We'll soon be seeing Serb eat their young and destroy anything that showed promise for a bright future. Hell, what am I saying, your Serbs already murdered the best thing to ever happen to your god forsaken hell hole...Djindic was gunned down in his prime, ready to turn Serbia around that corner that would have supplanted Romania as the dominant power in the balkans. Yeah, Serbs are getting exactly as they sought for their minorities in Kosova and rest of yugo..your mirror image in action.
|
|
Fender
Commanding Moderator
Hardarse
Posts: 2,653
|
Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2007 21:47:58 GMT -5
Official death toll, 3000 including all naionalities of Kosovo. Hardly a human catastrophy as potrayed by the KLA.
People started to leave their homes when the NATO bombs started falling, not before.
NATO didn't exist during WW2.
|
|
|
Post by meltdown711 on Dec 17, 2007 22:20:54 GMT -5
Its not "occupation" if the people within the region dont mind being "occupied".
Official recognized death toll is at 10,000.
|
|
Fender
Commanding Moderator
Hardarse
Posts: 2,653
|
Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2007 22:24:46 GMT -5
Its not "occupation" if the people within the region dont mind being "occupied". Official recognized death toll is at 10,000. It is occupation in the true sense of the word, regardless of what the local population thinks.
|
|
|
Post by meltdown711 on Dec 17, 2007 22:27:11 GMT -5
In a democratic world, there is such thing as "occupation" and "liberation", the people see it as liberation, and the world seems to see that too. It doesnt say much if entities as imperialistic and genocidal as Russia and Serbia dont.
|
|
Dsurazal
Commanding Moderator
Posts: 174
|
Post by Dsurazal on Dec 17, 2007 22:40:41 GMT -5
NATO's and the ICTY's own official numbers are 2108 and that are mixed in with Serb's and other groups. Read this: www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htmScroll down to where it starts with the subheading. "The facts don't match the accusations" I don't feel like summarizing what this guy put time into explaining. But he backs up his claims with evidence. How about if the majority of the country the region occupies minds?
|
|
|
Post by albanesehoney on Dec 17, 2007 23:25:15 GMT -5
"How about if the majority of the country the region occupies minds? "
yeah? and? what will they do? Expel the EU, Nato and embark on another reign of terror on the civilians of Kosova, again? Serbia ran out of 'offers' to the Albanians in Kosova, after the world witnessed the treatment Serbs inflicted on them in 89-99. They lost Kosova, the game is over, was over..get a life. Find a wife and be done with this issue already. Serbia will never do what it kept trying to do to Albanians since 1825. Their gig is up, time for Serbia to preserve what they have left, unless they want to squander the little juice left there to fight another Kosova war. Understand, Serbia should be prepared to lose it all, if they try.
|
|
Dsurazal
Commanding Moderator
Posts: 174
|
Post by Dsurazal on Dec 18, 2007 0:03:54 GMT -5
My statement was directed at Toskali711 who stated the quote I mentioned before the reply. You can argue the false number of Kosovo Albanian declared murdered statistics url but I really wasn't looking for a reply from you on the first fore mentioned subject. Sorry
|
|
|
Post by meltdown711 on Dec 18, 2007 0:06:35 GMT -5
The "majority"(meaning those outside Kosova) are not the ones "occupied". This should matter little to them.
2000 confirmed, out of 10,000 missing. Those 10,000 are unlikely to ever be found, especially when every once in a while we see a truck full of bodies being deposited somewhere... sad shame the way you guys play with numbers to hide your nations sick past. The fact is that people are still missing family, a lot of people; what will you say to them? "Your child doesnt exist?
And the article you mentioned sprout up every once in a while when someone wants to try and put Clinton's regime in a negative light. Attacking Kosova is a usual method, and you can spin anything the way you like it. The average media still uses 10,000.
|
|
Dsurazal
Commanding Moderator
Posts: 174
|
Post by Dsurazal on Dec 18, 2007 0:51:08 GMT -5
So you don't think the US's intervention in the Kosovo situation wasn't more of a strategic move but a purely humanitarian move based off of roughly 10,000 people missing? My thought to you would be, if a people are to be evacuated from a region and they know (at the time) they are not wanted there but have no way to stop it. Do you not suppose they would do everything and anything in there power to get help from a source that would help them to keep there land and everything they own? Even if it incorporated accusations of genocide, false number of missing individuals who may have just decided to head towards Albania? I am not saying people are not missing but there is evidence to support the claim that not everything is truthful or accurate in regards to what has happened in Kosovo.
Just something to think about from the flip side of the coin. I would encourage (if you have not done so) to possibly look at the relationship between Serbia and the US prior to this and ask yourself, is it possible that the US could create false numbers to placate there move to occupy Kosovo? Just look at American politician's, they toss out all sorts of number that support there views even if two opponent's are on opposite views, each one has a statistic to support there view even if they are contradictory.
Just something to think about.
|
|
Anthologic
Amicus
"Lord of all Reality"
Ha!
Posts: 1,237
|
Post by Anthologic on Dec 18, 2007 1:01:40 GMT -5
Is anyone here actually from Kosovo?
I asked AAdmin if any IPs lead back to there... I doubt I'll get any promising results.
|
|
|
Post by albanesehoney on Dec 18, 2007 1:07:24 GMT -5
Seriously, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for any point to win this Kosova debate. You never will. Because Serbia set the tone for all the events that occured between 89 and now. Taking Kosova's autonomous status within yugo, was the move that let the genie out of the bottle and there was no way humpty was going to be put together again.
So, just be happy Serbia wasn't smashed into ten thousand independent republics.
|
|
Anthologic
Amicus
"Lord of all Reality"
Ha!
Posts: 1,237
|
Post by Anthologic on Dec 18, 2007 1:14:48 GMT -5
Hi albanesehoney, are you living a comfortable life on the west coast?
I know, the weather is perfect.
|
|
|
Post by albanesehoney on Dec 18, 2007 1:34:54 GMT -5
Actually it's about 40 ..brrrrrrr But it fits the season. Life is good out here..hope it lasts a few more decades like this.
|
|