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Post by albquietman on Apr 12, 2009 22:06:18 GMT -5
Comparing Kosova and Iraq, it is just nonsense. If you read a little about the two, you'll see the difference, so stop comparing them to make your case. And Milosevic killed himself...if he was man enough he would had faced the court and made his case...
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 12, 2009 22:09:13 GMT -5
There are still people that worship Sloba....good...we know how they end
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 12, 2009 22:10:32 GMT -5
^ what don't you think USA once supported Saddam then killed him off when they didn't need him?
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Post by albquietman on Apr 12, 2009 22:23:25 GMT -5
^It's called politics, but there is a limit always, and the limit is when you start killing innocent people and genocide. That's what your Milosevic did, and he got what he deserved. But to tell you the truth, despite the fact that most of the serbs supported him, brainwashed by his propaganda, I don't think it is fair that even today serbs have to pay for his crimes and wrongdoings...life goes on and getting stuck in the past has never been a good thing.
Sadam is a different story, and I don't want to mix it with Milosevic.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 12, 2009 22:48:07 GMT -5
"In Europe there is nothing more similar to Nazi Germany than Milosevician Serbia. Before you use the word "besa" try to translate it first and educate yourself." Red, Red, Red, when Milosevich came to power the west called him a great man, but this great man refused to allow entire US occupation of yugoslavia prior to 1999. In fact, if Milosevich had agreed, the US was infact going to completely strip kosovo albanians of any rights they had in kosovo, but because Milosevich refused USA calls to occupation they sort to punish yugoslavia/serbia by ripping away kosovo, hence the 1999 bombing and UDI. Then they murdered him over in the Hague, doesn't this remind you of the way the USA handled iraq. There were no americans killing the croatians in the pig farm in Vukovar,there were no americans killing the muslim Bosnians in Srebrenica,there were no americans killings the albanians in Suva Reka.It was all serbs.Your brothers and sisters butchering the balkans from corner to corner. Stop blaming the others for your own sins. You serbs weren't the victims of some kind of western conspiracy against you.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 13, 2009 0:26:06 GMT -5
^ have you heard of the words *staged*, *framed* or *hoaxes* at all, alot of it happened in kosovo, you must know about freezer truck, trepcha mines, rachak hoaxes etc....right? or are you telling me that the pro albanian BBC is doing another hoax but for the serbs this time around?
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 13, 2009 6:02:46 GMT -5
Lol "pro-albanian" BBC. Idiocy has no limits. The British commies have been producing anti-KLA articles for a long time. One such relic is Ian Bancroft of the guardian.co.uk Staged/framed /hoaxes is this, when you pay a pseudo journalist to invent an Albanian source, (again without name) that spells Albanian names the Serbain/Slavic way www.thelondondailynews.com/albanian-hire-london-Ł5000-p-2560.htmlthese clows are so funny lmao
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Post by alb12345 on Apr 13, 2009 10:46:03 GMT -5
this topix is in the wrong room heheheheh
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Post by donnie on Apr 13, 2009 13:26:14 GMT -5
This is interesting. Even at the face of objective forensic experts' work and conclusions, clearly showing the true nature of these massacres as authentic crimes perpetrated against unarmed civilians, Novi continues to call them "fabricated" in the same manner he accuses others of uttering lies repeatedly alla Goebbels.
I mean your case is really a sad one. We've repeatedly showed you those weren't "hoaxes" but actual events, real crimes committed by Serbian military & paramilitary, against unarmed civilians, and these words came out of the mouths of wordly recognized and renowned forensic experts, such as Helena Ranta and her Finnish team. You doubt her, yet you jump in excitement over these sourceless claims over alleged crimes perpetrated against Serbian civilians infront of Nato's eyes, because this was a period of unprecedented international presence in the form of thousands and thousands of peace-keeping forces.
X2. This moron thinks BBC is objective only when the current is heading the other way around and Serbs are described as victims.
No doubt there were Serbian victims, who were killed in sporadic attacks here and there, but nothing compared to the systematic and institutionalized violence and crimes committed against an entire populace by the Serbian state and army over the period of 1998-99. Therefore, trying to equalize the guilt in a pathetic attempt at "political correctness" is wrong and misleading.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 13, 2009 17:10:56 GMT -5
redbaron "Basil there is nothing weird. Nobody is preparing the soil for anything. Do not be part of the Serbian wet dreams that the west is changing its stance toward Kosovo.If this documentary impressed you Greeks so much go get a look at the BBC archives on Kosovo massacres. You Greeks have done everything to make it impossible for the Macedonians to enter NATO and the EU because of a name dispute.I can only imagine what you would do to Macedonians in a similar case where they try to do to you what the serbs did to us. It is very hypocritical on you Greeks when you side with the Serbs on Kosovo issue but then don't miss a chance in reminding the world that the macedonians of FYROM are slavs that came in the Balkans as invaders. " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mate.. cool down. I know what Serbs did wrong during Milocevits times.. and I know what Albanians did wrong under US umbrella. I'm out of this dispute and I can charge with clear mind. You dont. You're into it. I'm not impressed from one documentary. I just noticed something and I post it. During the bombing of Serbia from US... Albanians were the poor civilians who die one after the other by the bad Serbs. Albanians were soooo good in TV that you would love to adopt one. On the other side... Sebs were monsters. Like Saddam. That was the perception all over the world. For the first time... we see articles like "We bombed the wrong side" by an American general... we see TV movies with "bad" Albanians for the first time!... we see video games with Albanian "gangsters".. .etc etc etc. I just wonder what is going wrong.... Oppossite opinions for Albanians during the bombing of Serbia always existed. I just wonder... why they were exposed NOW?! Carla Del Ponte fucked the Serbs. Why today gives that opinion in favor of Serbs? ... That is what I wonder.... Cool down and just try to learn to analyze world politics... before they take place! PS. What Fyromians has to do with my deep thoughts?
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Post by jerryspringer on Apr 13, 2009 17:59:59 GMT -5
Donnie, do you have a response to the topic raised by leandros? You and Novi can argue in a different thread.
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 13, 2009 18:13:41 GMT -5
I advise all the oxygen wasting beings here to read Carla del ponte's book before believing a priori it has anything on these camps. Serbs have taken a 2 pages excerpt from a 10 pages report, with unnamed journalists that refuse to reveal their sources as 100000% evidence of these clownish claims. There is so much shit against Servs in that (70-75% of it) it deserves to be called...The Hunt of the demi-humans, Serbs.
Even funnier : serb media has stopped reporting about countries that recognize Kosovo, not once but twice now....desperation is reaching its peak.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 13, 2009 21:32:15 GMT -5
---- Mate.. cool down. I know what Serbs did wrong during Milocevits times.. and I know what Albanians did wrong under US umbrella. I'm out of this dispute and I can charge with clear mind. You dont. You're into it. I'm not impressed from one documentary. I just noticed something and I post it. During the bombing of Serbia from US... Albanians were the poor civilians who die one after the other by the bad Serbs. Albanians were soooo good in TV that you would love to adopt one. On the other side... Sebs were monsters. Like Saddam. That was the perception all over the world. For the first time... we see articles like "We bombed the wrong side" by an American general... we see TV movies with "bad" Albanians for the first time!... we see video games with Albanian "gangsters".. .etc etc etc. I just wonder what is going wrong.... Oppossite opinions for Albanians during the bombing of Serbia always existed. I just wonder... why they were exposed NOW?! Carla Del Ponte f**ked the Serbs. Why today gives that opinion in favor of Serbs? ... That is what I wonder.... Cool down and just try to learn to analyze world politics... before they take place! PS. What Fyromians has to do with my deep thoughts? Basil what exactly do you know about what Serbs did wrong during Milosevic time and what Albanians did wrong under US umbrella?Who told you that you have a clear mind?How can a person be ironic about people that have gone through the hell of the war and still claim that he has a clear mind?I hope you Greeks don't see your brothers in Cyprus look soooo good in TV that you would love to adopt one. Why they were exposed NOW? Why there is still today an Ahmedinajad that says that holocaust never happened? Fyromians have a lot to do with your deep thoughts.They are Slavic invaders that came in the Balkans in the 7 th century the same as the serbs. Greeks accept that the Serbs have a right over Kosovo,but don't like it when the Fyromians claim something Greek.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 13, 2009 23:44:35 GMT -5
My, my l was seriously hoping you would be attracted to this topic.
"This is interesting. Even at the face of objective forensic experts' work and conclusions, clearly showing the true nature of these massacres as authentic crimes perpetrated against unarmed civilians, Novi continues to call them "fabricated" in the same manner he accuses others of uttering lies repeatedly alla Goebbels."
As we have debated a month ago, Rachak was a fabrication/hoax, william walker broke a pencil and threw it onto Helena Ranta for not being enough anti-serbian. Who are these objective forensics, Donnie? are they ones on the Albanian payroll whom you recognise as fair. Albanian dirty money is poisoning nations to recognise an illegal UDI, its even been used in dirty PR campaigns (Rudder and Finn), ha, its even found its way into the american congress.
"I mean your case is really a sad one. We've repeatedly showed you those weren't "hoaxes" but actual events, real crimes committed by Serbian military & paramilitary, against unarmed civilians, and these words came out of the mouths of wordly recognized and renowned forensic experts, such as Helena Ranta and her Finnish team. You doubt her, yet you jump in excitement over these sourceless claims over alleged crimes perpetrated against Serbian civilians infront of Nato's eyes, because this was a period of unprecedented international presence in the form of thousands and thousands of peace-keeping forces. "
Donnie, what have you shown me, zero as always. Your arguements are baseless, you lie and fabricate, they are never convincing. If you have something, show me and we will continue with this, but if you haven't l really don't have the time and patience to debate with you.
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Post by Duke John on Apr 14, 2009 6:30:10 GMT -5
Novi, serbs killed raped and masacred people, i know its hard to accept that and it must suck to be serb like you, living in denial, but its defence mechanism, you have been acused of comiting sick crimes against humanity, jails are full of serbian war criminals, slobo died like a dog in jail, sesel is not going to see a day light in his life, karadzic was hunted down and mladic is being hunted like a rat, its was the 80´s-90´s there were video cameras to prove the crimes your nation commited, you will never recover fully from that, there are going to be evidences forever, deep inside you must feel the fustration and im sure you feel partly bad of being born as serb, we albanians feel 110% clean and pure and love our nation and our selfs, thanks god we never commited such crazy things like your nation did, and i wish we and our next generation will never do, it must suck to live in such darknes that you live.
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Post by jerryspringer on Apr 14, 2009 7:20:48 GMT -5
You did commit such attrocities. Re-read the article posted in this thread.
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 14, 2009 7:25:52 GMT -5
^^^Trolling much??? The article didn't mention the names of neither the sources nor the victims. Fictional people that killed fictional people are not crimes.
I wonder why they don't publish the names of the killed serv parasites. And how they found out it was these people.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 14, 2009 7:47:05 GMT -5
Novi.
If my memory serves me right wasn't the KLA leader wanted by the INTERPOL and FBI for war crimes once ?
An inquiring mind.
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Post by jerryspringer on Apr 14, 2009 8:06:20 GMT -5
Wasn't KLA declared a terrorist org? It almost was, if I remember clearly. And that UN chick....Fanta de Gomes or something....she wrote a book about their crimes.
Give me a break. No smoke without fire. You guys did some ugly things there. Very ugly things. I don't want to think of it. The Serbs did some ugly things as well, but your banana republic was founded by an evil elite and you'll never be able to get away from that. On top of that, you oppposed Serb cruelty by applying the same methods on civilians. So much for making a point.
Donnie is a coward for not giving direct responses to these inquires. He keeps avoiding the real questions.
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Post by Duke John on Apr 14, 2009 8:08:24 GMT -5
You did commit such attrocities. Re-read the article posted in this thread. To who? to 1500 albanians and 400 serbs? lmao... Arent you from Moldavia? btw there are alot of Moldavian women in Kosovo working hard and sending money to their families.
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