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Post by leandros nikon on Apr 11, 2009 13:15:52 GMT -5
Horrors of KLA prison camps revealed news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stmThe man spoke plainly as he explained the horrors he lived through in a Kosovo Liberation Army prison camp 10 years ago. He told me about how he watched people beaten with steel pipes, cut with knives, left for days without food, and shot and killed.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 11, 2009 20:27:03 GMT -5
^ its slowly coming out and about time!. ;D
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Post by redbaron on Apr 11, 2009 21:02:42 GMT -5
If it is true, it is to little compared with the terror that the Serbs brought upon the Albanians. It should have been an eye for an eye.Serbs civilians aren't worthy more than the Albanian civilians.Right now we are 10 thousand people short, killed by the Serbs. Until you see a documentary that shows more Serbs victims than Albanians the Serbs are still the aggressors.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 11, 2009 22:49:21 GMT -5
Hey leandre, this topic not kalla for our forum we should forgive and forget the past .
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Post by leshte on Apr 11, 2009 23:20:28 GMT -5
That's right Redbaron.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 11, 2009 23:41:08 GMT -5
Not surprising, I mean they were a terrorist organisation till the yanks made a deal with them not to co-operate with Al Qaeda in return the KLA would be off the terrorist list.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 12, 2009 0:10:37 GMT -5
I haven't seen any real evidence so far in the article to support claims. Any video, more witness? Real witness?? I definitely don't believe it. Why not believe it is a pro-Serbian version to blame Kosovars? Suspicious because NATO and UNMIK were watching the Albanian-Kosovo border back then worse than a dog watches its house...in every step there were journalists (international) and kosovars were too busy building their burned houses and recovering from Genocide....I need more real proofs to believe it. In the contrary case, I can claim it is a shameful provocation and justification to justify Serbian crimes as to say now we are equal.....Please correct me if I am wrong!
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Post by leshte on Apr 12, 2009 0:25:11 GMT -5
There's no way we could be equal to Serbs as we are 10 thousand Serb civilians short. For as long as the average Serbs are insensitive towards the murder of thousands of Albanian civilians, there is no need to be sensitive towards something that hasn't even been investigated. And even if its investigated and it turns to be true, there is no need to be sensitive towards it as long as the average Serb out there is insensitive towards our victims. They've been insensitive for 10 years now, why should we all of a sudden care about the Serbs. As long as the aggressors, the Serbs, don't admit they got Albanian blood on their hands we have nothing to say to them.
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Post by leandros nikon on Apr 12, 2009 9:55:12 GMT -5
Here's some flowers for your thought Mysia... still,this is the balkan s**thole,the war has reached our back yard-fyrom,hatred amongst our nations may lead to another conflict where Greece may be forced to participate...During the cold war period everything was fine but now that communism has fallen there is no balance in the balkans and i wonder when things will get better...
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 12, 2009 13:00:13 GMT -5
blah blah blah.. Serbs were not the only victims here but also fellow Albanians and Roma aswell. This isnt about who killed more (if the KLA had the ability to kill more they would have) this is about how the KLA arent the divine freedom fighters that many of you are claiming them to be.
p.s. Pinecones are sexy.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 12, 2009 13:43:15 GMT -5
Some tottaly different is that puzzles me...
We know what American propaganda is. Usually they "analyze" very deep the bad guys... Serbs during the war and Arabs today. What happens today is that Americans... let these stories see the open air. In their movies I see also sometimes the bad guys is Albanian.. etc etc.
Why all this now about Albanians? They new from the begging all these stuff. Why... now? Is it something new to come and they prepare the soil as they did with the Serbs..? It is quite weird...
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Post by redbaron on Apr 12, 2009 16:00:07 GMT -5
blah blah blah.. Serbs were not the only victims here but also fellow Albanians and Roma aswell. This isnt about who killed more (if the KLA had the ability to kill more they would have) this is about how the KLA arent the divine freedom fighters that many of you are claiming them to be. p.s. Pinecones are sexy. Exactly my point Skoric the KLA arent the divine freedom fighters.They should have killed 10 thousands civilian Serbs so they could get the divine status that the Serbian army,police and paramilitary has for you Serbs. The KLA didn't do their job the way they were supposed to do when it comes to you serbs. Albanians and romas that cooperated with serbs in the war bare the same responsibility as the Serbs.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 12, 2009 16:17:43 GMT -5
Some tottaly different is that puzzles me... We know what American propaganda is. Usually they "analyze" very deep the bad guys... Serbs during the war and Arabs today. What happens today is that Americans... let these stories see the open air. In their movies I see also sometimes the bad guys is Albanian.. etc etc. Why all this now about Albanians? They new from the begging all these stuff. Why... now? Is it something new to come and they prepare the soil as they did with the Serbs..? It is quite weird... Basil there is nothing weird. Nobody is preparing the soil for anything. Do not be part of the Serbian wet dreams that the west is changing its stance toward Kosovo.If this documentary impressed you Greeks so much go get a look at the BBC archives on Kosovo massacres. You Greeks have done everything to make it impossible for the Macedonians to enter NATO and the EU because of a name dispute.I can only imagine what you would do to Macedonians in a similar case where they try to do to you what the serbs did to us. It is very hypocritical on you Greeks when you side with the Serbs on Kosovo issue but then don't miss a chance in reminding the world that the macedonians of FYROM are slavs that came in the Balkans as invaders.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 12, 2009 20:16:33 GMT -5
10,000 kosovo albanian deaths is a lie, you know it as l do, we've been through this a billion times. I don't understand why you guys need to repeat this in a goebbles style way of propaganda.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 12, 2009 20:20:40 GMT -5
I see some of the comments by the Albanians here saying, "yeah, the serbian attrocities outweight the ones committed by the KLA". Now this is typical twisting of an arguement, there is no excuses here, they have committed a serious crime.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 12, 2009 20:25:38 GMT -5
"I haven't seen any real evidence so far in the article to support claims. Any video, more witness? Real witness?? I definitely don't believe it. Why not believe it is a pro-Serbian version to blame Kosovars?"
I'm sorry to say, but many witnesses have been killed!. Your clan culture and the honor system of 'besa' prevents people comming forward. Again, more twisting, calling it pro-serbian, but these wheren't revealed by serbian media but by the BBC who are pro-albanian!.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 12, 2009 20:51:13 GMT -5
10,000 kosovo albanian deaths is a lie, you know it as l do, we've been through this a billion times. I don't understand why you guys need to repeat this in a goebbles style way of propaganda. From Slovenia to Kosovo there was only one aggressor.Serbia.What you know about the numbers of Albanian victims is what makes you feel good being in denial.If you want to know the numbers that i know i invite you to go to Kosovo and visit the graves of those whose bodies where found.You can keep count.In Europe there is nothing more similar to Nazi Germany than Milosevician Serbia. Before you use the word "besa" try to translate it first and educate yourself.
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Post by albquietman on Apr 12, 2009 21:10:33 GMT -5
Anyone can write an article today, even on BBC, but after reading it, common sense comes up with a simple question: any facts to support what is written?
I don't see any facts on that article. Strange enough, the story tellers don't even have names, but just impressive stories. Do you guys think that it can hold water? I don't think so, because there are no facts...even the author of the article says that:
Soon after the war ended in Kosovo, I started looking into the thousands of civilians who disappeared during and after the conflict. Many Albanian victims were dumped in wells or transported to mass graves as far away as Belgrade.
But others - mainly Serbs - simply vanished without a trace. There were no demands for ransom, no news of any kind.
I had met sources who spoke vaguely about secret camps in Albania where Kosovo Serbs, Albanians and Roma were interrogated, tortured and in most cases killed.
So the author met sources without names...but I have to give him credit for something. When he talks about the serbs killed, he says they simply vanished...really smart by his side, because anyone can speculate with the numbers without the need to prove them...
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 12, 2009 21:35:03 GMT -5
The funniest thing with the Seb clown is when they mention Carla del Ponte's book. Not only it's the same there, ie unnamed journalists that refuse to reveal their "sources", but most of the book (I have it in Italian) is against Serbia and everything Serbs claim. Especially the Kosovo chapter starts by telling how Serbs commited ethnic cleancing on Albanians, burned huge piles of documents on border to make it look like they were immigrants and that the Serbs were interested only in Kosovo's minerals. This only in the second paragraph pages 286-287. And this is nothing compared to what she describes in detail about Serb massacres and genocide on Croats and Bosniaks in the starting chapter. Some 70% of the crimes are on the Sebs, they are mentioned even in the Rwanda chapters.
So if the part about the alleged KLA crimes were to be taken seriously, then Serbs should accept even the rest of the book ie everything they have been accused and sentenced. But we know the leeches nature very well...just suck....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 12, 2009 21:56:11 GMT -5
"In Europe there is nothing more similar to Nazi Germany than Milosevician Serbia. Before you use the word "besa" try to translate it first and educate yourself."
Red, Red, Red, when Milosevich came to power the west called him a great man, but this great man refused to allow entire US occupation of yugoslavia prior to 1999. In fact, if Milosevich had agreed, the US was infact going to completely strip kosovo albanians of any rights they had in kosovo, but because Milosevich refused USA calls to occupation they sort to punish yugoslavia/serbia by ripping away kosovo, hence the 1999 bombing and UDI. Then they murdered him over in the Hague, doesn't this remind you of the way the USA handled iraq.
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