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Post by Arxileas on Apr 14, 2009 8:16:55 GMT -5
Wasn't KLA declared a terrorist org? It almost was, Not amost actually it was. They were a terrorist organisation together with Al Qaeda till the Bush Administration made a deal with them not to co-operate with Al Qaeda in return the KLA would be off the terrorist list.
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Post by jerryspringer on Apr 14, 2009 8:35:11 GMT -5
Wasn't KLA declared a terrorist org? It almost was, Not amost actually it was. They were a terrorist organisation together with Al Qaeda till the Bush Administration made a deal with them not to co-operate with Al Qaeda in return the KLA would be off the terrorist list. I see. So the KLA did America a favor: bomb the Serbs, give us money, and we won't cooperate with Al Quida. Man, oh man. What a people.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 14, 2009 8:44:57 GMT -5
Anittas. Truth is both side’s committed atrocities "with figures exaggerated from one side" war is dirty but to label one side innocent and the other murders is best laughable. It’s best all sides come clean in order to avoid such things from happening again, that is what I hope for my childrens sake and for my fellow brothers childrens sake.
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Post by jerryspringer on Apr 14, 2009 9:03:54 GMT -5
You don't have to convince me of that. I've been saying that the whole time. Yet the Albanians insist that they're all good and the Serbs are all bad. I remember when they were all crying as the tractors drove them around as the camera was rolling. The world was outraged with the Serbs and founded that banana republic. And look at them now. They also have blood on their hands.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 14, 2009 9:26:17 GMT -5
The world was outraged with the Serbs and founded that banana republic. And look at them now. They also have blood on their hands. Indeed...If the Albanians were brave enough I am sure they'll come clean one day ? Guilty conscious is deadly
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 14, 2009 10:24:12 GMT -5
This was a battle of who can convince with tons of BS .. the world..The Albanians came out the winners....The Serbs embraced the Russians... which left them holding their diks.... when in fact they should have turned to the Americans or British... from the beginning.
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Post by Duke John on Apr 14, 2009 13:26:08 GMT -5
Not amost actually it was. They were a terrorist organisation together with Al Qaeda till the Bush Administration made a deal with them not to co-operate with Al Qaeda in return the KLA would be off the terrorist list. I see. So the KLA did America a favor: bomb the Serbs, give us money, and we won't cooperate with Al Quida. Man, oh man. What a people. Yep nice story, at least we dont have Kosovar albanian women working in Moldavia as acrobats spinning their selfs around the pipe.
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Post by Duke John on Apr 14, 2009 13:31:30 GMT -5
This was a battle of who can convince with tons of BS .. the world..The Albanians came out the winners....The Serbs embraced the Russians... which left them holding their diks.... when in fact they should have turned to the Americans or British... from the beginning. Do you really think that serbs did not commit crimes or killings or persecutions of Albanians? give me a mass grave of serbians that albanians commited!? i give you so many facts of massgraves found all over the places where serbs butchered people that you would not want to believe and deny it. Braca ortodoksi i know i know.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 14, 2009 18:08:29 GMT -5
From Slovenia to Kosovo there was only one aggressor.Serbia. And who were aggressors/terrorists in Makedonija (BJRM/FYROM)? Who's asses were saved by Americans? Serbians??
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 14, 2009 18:23:50 GMT -5
give me a mass grave of serbians that albanians commited!? Here is the one. Or you do not consider lake as a grave (it has to be in soil?). "WHY DID PROSECUTION FAIL TO PROVE WHAT 'EVERYBODY KNOWS' - PART TWO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'PROBABILITY' AND EVIDENCE 'BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT' The Hague, 08.04.2008. The judgment in the Haradinaj, Balaj and Brahimaj case notes that there was no evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt who killed Albanians, Serbs and Roma whose bodies were found in the Radonjic lake canal. The Trial Chamber does consider that there is 'likelihood' that KLA members were responsible for their deaths The failure of the prosecution to prove who killed 30 Albanians, Serbs and Roma whose bodies were found in September 1998 in the Radonjic Lake canal is one of the reasons why the Trial Chamber acquitted former KLA commanders Ramush Haradinaj and Idriz Balaj. Only Lahi Brahimaj was convicted on only two of the 37 counts in the indictment. The prosecution claimed that they were all killed while 'they were in the KLA hands'. The defense denied this allegation, noting that it was possible that the bodies had been planted by the Serbian police or army. The Trial Chamber rejected the defense claims about 'planted bodies', but it did not accept the prosecution argument that they were all victims of the KLA. In the view of the Trial Chamber, the evidence called during the trial was 'not precise, unreliable or simply non-existent'. In the opinion of the judges, the only thing that was proven was that most of these persons had gone missing under suspicious circumstances and that several months later their bodies reappeared in the Radonjic lake canal. What happened to them in the meantime remained unclear. The victims were last seen alive on various locations in three municipalities in southwest Kosovo in a five-month time span. The fact that many of them were last seen in the areas controlled by the KLA - the Radonjic lake canal itself was one such location - 'indicates there is a probability' that the KLA kidnapped them and killed them and then hid their bodies in the lake canal, or that they were brought there and executed on the spot, the judges say. One of the concrete walls of the canal was riddled with bullets, which 'indicates there is a probability' that some of the victims were killed there. However, the Trial Chamber stated, this could not lead to a more general conclusion as to what happened to other victims whose bodies were found 700 to 2,500 meters from that concrete wall. As the judges clarified giving several examples, it is not possible to draw conclusions beyond reasonable doubt on the basis of 'probabilities'. The body of Kosovo Albanian Sanije Balaj was found in the Radonjic Lake canal after she had been arrested by the KLA members. The evidence, however, points to 'a reasonable alternative' that she was killed after she was released from the KLA detention because she was carrying a large amount of money with her. In the case of the murder of Nurija and Istref Krasniqi, the Trial Chamber found that it could not ignore the fact that it was possible that they were killed 'because of a family dispute or personal revenge'. The prosecution failed to call evidence that the majority of persons whose bodies were found in the canal and who were identified had ever been seen in the KLA detention facilities or that they had been arrested by the KLA. This was the case with Kosovo Serbs Velizar Stosic, Ilija Antic and Milovan Vlahovic who were all killed. Most of the evidence about their fate came through the testimony of their relatives, who said that they were last seen in the areas controlled by the KLA. The judges nevertheless found this insufficient for any conclusions as to who arrested them and who perpetrated this crime. Bullet casings manufactured in China were found next to some of the bodies in the canal. Serbian police ballistic expert Milutin Visnjic concluded that they had been fired from the same weapons the KLA used in March 1998 in the fighting in the village of Pljancora. It was also used in the village of Glodjane in a clash between the Serbian police and the KLA members on the Haradinaj family property. Although it considers Visnjic to be a 'credible witness', the Trial Chamber didn't accept his expert opinion. The notes he took while conducting the ballistic analysis allegedly burned down in the air strikes and he didn't have any documents to corroborate his findings. But even if Visnjic's analysis had been accepted, the judges note, it still didn't address important questions such as who fired this weapon at the Radonjic Lake and who had the weapons in the meantime. The Trial Chamber set a very high threshold of proof for the prosecution, asking for the identity of the victims to be proven, proof of who kidnapped them and how they ended up in the hands of those who killed them. The Trial Chamber also insisted on getting evidence of what happened to the victims in the meantime, who the killers were and which formation they belonged to. Finally, it wanted proof of how the bodies ended up in the Radonjic Lake. The prosecution led such evidence for only seven of the Radonjic Lake victims. The Trial Chamber found beyond reasonable doubt that they were killed by the KLA soldiers. However, it was impossible to lay blame for these crimes on the accused as the prosecution, in the Chamber's view, failed to prove the existence of the joint criminal enterprise Haradinaj, Balaj and Brahimaj were charged with." www.helsinki.org.yu/tjtribunal_t04.htmlHaradinaj was freed as all (Albanian) witnesses were killed.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 14, 2009 18:45:09 GMT -5
"If my memory serves me right wasn't the KLA leader wanted by the INTERPOL and FBI for war crimes once ?"
Not only this Arxil, but their monarch Clinton and his state department classified the KLA as a terrorist organisation in 1998. You know what is even so ironic, King Clinton even voted and supported Resolution 1244 which guarantees serbian territorial integrity. ;D
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Post by redbaron on Apr 14, 2009 20:15:19 GMT -5
"If my memory serves me right wasn't the KLA leader wanted by the INTERPOL and FBI for war crimes once ?" Not only this Arxil, but their monarch Clinton and his state department classified the KLA as a terrorist organisation in 1998. You know what is even so ironic, King Clinton even voted and supported Resolution 1244 which guarantees serbian territorial integrity. ;D Novi i asked you this question before and you never answered.This is resolution 1244.Please point out where does it say that it guarantees Serbian territorial integrity. www.nato.int/Kosovo/docu/u990610a.htmArxileas talking about terrorist organizations.November 17,Revolutionary Struggle, does it ring a bell?At least our KLA was fighting our mortal enemy and their collaborators.Who are the greek terrorists fighting? As for you Novi I hope the KLA brought some terror to you Serbs,don't tell me you were expecting flowers and thanks for what the serbian terrorist state did to us.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 14, 2009 20:20:55 GMT -5
From Slovenia to Kosovo there was only one aggressor.Serbia. And who were aggressors/terrorists in Makedonija (BJRM/FYROM)? Who's asses were saved by Americans? Serbians?? The """FYROMian""" army and police/serbian terroristic style.The asses of """FYROMian""" politicians.It would have been no """FYROM""" today.
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 14, 2009 20:29:41 GMT -5
In Del Ponte's book Serbia commited genocide in Bosnia and ethnic cleansing in Ksovo. So the Serb state and people are collectively guilty for terrorism/genocide/ethnic cleansing. Also the serv teenager diaspora here for praisisng them. Identity cleansing to declare them iimigrants www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900sid/OCHA-64CPZ4?OpenDocument
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 14, 2009 20:49:26 GMT -5
Also no one considers KLA terrorist group , not even Russia www.start.umd.edu/start/data/tops/terrorist_organization_profile.asp?id=3517U.S. Government Designations Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO): No Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL): No Learn more about these U.S. Department of State classifications: Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL) Other Governments' Designations UK Proscribed Group: No Australia Specified Group: No Canada Specified Group: No EU Specified Group: No Russia Specified Group: No
Servia is in the same terrorist group as Al-Qaeda and the Talibans : all bombed by the West
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Post by redbaron on Apr 14, 2009 21:21:36 GMT -5
You don't have to convince me of that. I've been saying that the whole time. Yet the Albanians insist that they're all good and the Serbs are all bad. I remember when they were all crying as the tractors drove them around as the camera was rolling. The world was outraged with the Serbs and founded that banana republic. And look at them now. They also have blood on their hands. For a person convinced like yourself.There were around 6 million germans military,and civilians deaths during war world 2.Most of them killed by the alliance forces.How much german blood is on the hands of those who fought Hitler?How much German blood or should i say Jewish blood do the Romanians have on their hands? Your memory doesn't serve you right,these people weren't driving around in the tractors they weren't out for a picnic they weren't posing for the cameras.They were at the worst moment of their lives. A moment that i don't wish any of your Romanian brothers in Moldova experiences in case the Russian tanks come rolling in. Some time ago i posted you a list of EU countries with their GDP,Population and GDP per Capita.Now look at the numbers and see how is Romania doing.Kosovo is a small contry of two million people that just came out of the war.But when you see that a country like romania with a populatin of 11 times bigger than kosovo and and vast natural resources is just the banana republic of the EU, than i agree that our hopes for the future are grim. Richest EU Countries 2006: GDP Per Capita 1. Luxembourg … $80,471 in international$ (up 6.1% from 2005) 2. Ireland … $44,087 (up 6.3%) 3. Denmark … $36,549 (up 5.4%) 4. Austria … $36,031 (up 5.4%) 5. Netherlands … $35,078 (up 5.7%) 6. United Kingdom ... $35,051 (up 5.2%) 7. Finland … $34,819 (up 6.6%) 8. Belgium … $34,478 (up 5.1%) 9. Sweden … $34,409 (up 6.4%) 10. Germany … $31,095 (up 5.2%) 11. Italy … $30,732 (up 4.2%) 12. France … $30,693 (up 4.8%) 13. Cyprus … $29,105 (up 4.8%) 14. Spain … $27,522 (up 4.7%) 15. Greece … $25,975 (up 6.5%) 16. Slovenia … $23,843 (up 7.1%) 17. Czech Republic … $23,100 (up 9%) 18. Portugal … $22,677 (up 4.1%) 19. Malta … $20,426 (up 3.8%) 20. Hungary … $19,559 (up 7.8%) 21. Estonia … $18,216 (up 13%) 22. Slovak Republic … $17,559 (up 9.6%) 23. Lithuania … $15,858 (up 8.8%) 24. Latvia … $15,549 (up 14.8%) 25. Poland … $14,880 (up 8.3%) 26. Romania … $9,869 (up 9%) 27. Bulgaria … $9,799 (up 9.5%) internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/richest_eu_countries_2006_gdp
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 14, 2009 21:58:20 GMT -5
REdbaron, don't attack all of Romania, attack that E-gypsy alone. Romania will recognize Kosovo. Real Romanians have told me.
And btw in 2007 Romania went up in 2007, cause of eu entry
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 14, 2009 21:58:47 GMT -5
Once I was watching on TV how people, children, (hundreds) died in Africa every day because of different reasons. I had a bad feeling in the beginning at seeing so many dying people on TV until...at some point, I got used to it. It became normal to me to see skeletons in flash dying surrounded by flies, children skeletons near their dead mothers awaiting their death crying of thirst and hunger...The very next day, the same TV channel broadcast the death of a young little boy from Cancer. He was so cute and the TV channel couldn't stop at showing his sufferings, how he lost his hair, his losing weight, the terrible treatment he had to go through....I felt very very bad...all of a sudden I realized that horrible sufferings and deaths become normal and do not impress anybody if there are numbers involved (hundreds), but what touches the hearts of people is a sporadic case emerged out of the blue, pictured in details and with so much emotion, that people forget all those dying people in Africa to focus on a simple case!
When it comes to Kosovars, people around the world got used to see burned houses and persons killed in massive graves...but when it happens to see a common grave (whose murders are anonymous but not those who accuse), it creates a strange effect and people are exited to discover that they have something to think about: how did they miss it! What they thought were angels were instead devils. And anger arises not against the presumed people who presumably committed the crime but against themselves...how could they have been so naive as to believe what they saw...they come to the point of even doubting that war ever existed! All those murders of Kosovars, all those massive graves, were they real or an illusion? And they start to believe that all was a lie and their stupidity seeks revenge for they think they have been fooled! This reversion has its effect especially to people who got tired of listening that Kosovars were massacred all along. Serbs are waiting for this moment: people are getting tired, they need excitement, a new version to touch the heart (it doesn't matter if there are evidences or not, we can invent some of anonymous sorts). KLA was called "terrorist" without never giving any reason why! And guess what: the very persons who called KLA's members terrorists, are training them now (New Liberation Army of Kosovo)...what the hell with this terrorist thing? Serbian army should have been called that way!!!!... or shouldn't they? Perhaps we should call them heroes....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 14, 2009 22:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 14, 2009 22:34:06 GMT -5
^ lets sit back and watch some kosovo albanian hackers try and destroy the site.
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