Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 19, 2009 12:39:17 GMT -5
is in the "dijaspora". So why do I see some guys here who have left their homelands be it when they were 5, 10 or 15, basically crap on the second gen dijaspora? I know it's hard to accept, but you are the first gen dijaspora, so live with it. It doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else. We can share our stories, make things better; rather than crap on one another when you have a bad day.
Your thoughts? :-)
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 19, 2009 13:00:55 GMT -5
because they probably know more than u who was born in dijaspora... im not born in dijaspora and i visit the balcans every summer ( Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia) i like to think i know somewhat about the situation and i get pissed when someone from aussie who was born in australia or went to australia when he/she were like 2 years and have like visited the balcans twice starts to talk like he/she is a pro.. My understanding about the situation down there is like 10% compared to those who actually live there. So i cant hold my self when ecpesially second gen dijaspora starts to smart talk about how it should be.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 13:08:44 GMT -5
A Serb Patriot will find me hospitable no matter where they are from.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 19, 2009 13:15:22 GMT -5
A Serb Patriot will find me hospitable no matter where they are from. Nothing to do with hospitality.. Probaj srbima dole soliti pamet pa ces vidjeti reakciju...
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 19, 2009 13:21:17 GMT -5
That is a pointless argument and not founded Ichbin. How can someone know more than you about something when you have been educated in a non biased and self learning environment??? My main point here is THEY are talking about the dijaspora in a bad light and trying to detach from it pretending they are still 5 years old back home ( compared to us second gen), when they themselves are the bloody dijaspora also. Get it?
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 13:30:34 GMT -5
Nothing to do with hospitality.. Probaj srbima dole soliti pamet pa ces vidjeti reakciju... Sta ti znas o pamet?
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 19, 2009 13:31:15 GMT -5
That is a pointless argument and not founded Ichbin. How can someone know more than you about something when you have been educated in a non biased and self learning environment??? My main point here is THEY are talking about the dijaspora in a bad light and trying to detach from it pretending they are still 5 years old back home ( compared to us second gen), when they themselves are the bloody dijaspora also. Get it? There's nothing wrong with being from dijaspora.. Just that people dont like u if u are trying to learn them how it is.. Just as i dont like when people who lives in Serbia,Croatia,Bosnia starts to tell me how i live in the dijaspora. Same thing.. But i dont why first gen dijaspora would hate or dislike second gen dijaspora.. But then again it isnt the same thing.. Yes maybe if u are a first gen dijaspora who moved from the balcans when u were like 1,2 years. I lived down there for 6 years and three years after we moved i visit like 2 times a year. Like i said i know somewhat about their situation but i dont tell them how to live their lifes, i mean getting a salury (350-400€) and do what they do, im suprised how they make it thru the month. Some of my friends down there i think have the same quality of life as i do here with their money.. but thats another story.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 19, 2009 13:32:11 GMT -5
Nothing to do with hospitality.. Probaj srbima dole soliti pamet pa ces vidjeti reakciju... Sta ti znas o pamet? znam sigurno vise od tebe, pa sad patrijotaj po serbianni koliko hoces i osjecas se VELIKIM SRBINOM
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 19, 2009 13:50:54 GMT -5
Well I don't know why either, but they do. I just think we should all learn together, debate together but at the end of the day understand and respect eachother. No one is better than anyone. We are all here for a reason.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 14:16:27 GMT -5
znam sigurno vise od tebe, pa sad patrijotaj po serbianni koliko hoces i osjecas se VELIKIM SRBINOM Ma nemoj.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 19, 2009 14:28:58 GMT -5
Because those living there KNOW they know more than us how it is to live there (and how wouldn't they, here people talk about exterminating others in the Balkans while they don't live there, imagine if you saw people from the balkans wishing in our environment where we live a war, we'd obviously get pissed, because we can't even speak the language correctly and go around with Bos/Cro/Ser jerseys which is funny to people living there, seeing us, half foreigners, pretending to be big patriots.
Now this was the relationship between people living in the balkans and 1st gen diaspora, imagine how we look at 2nd gen diaspora (who is even less in touch with the balkans). People living there do know more about 1st gen diaspora people, as we know more than 2nd gen diaspora people, as 2nd gen diaspora people know more than 3rd etc... it's simple as that.
And I can say judging by this forum it's definitely true.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 14:57:33 GMT -5
^ Talk about extermination? Well now I know for certain that you're a Muslim.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 19, 2009 15:06:50 GMT -5
^ Talk about extermination? Well now I know for certain that you're a Muslim. Whats that have to do with anything? Care to explain?
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 15:20:45 GMT -5
It was a joke.
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Post by soko on Apr 19, 2009 17:50:09 GMT -5
I think most people down in exyu would want to knock the teeth out of the diaspora if they start showing of either their "patriotism" or their "wealth" when in the Balkans the same way most 1 gen diaspora would want to knock the teeth out of the 2 gen diaspora mah, most diasporiance abroad are big time patriots, lol... thing are calm here to the north where the icebears roam, most don't go around showing of their patriotism... I only noticed diaspora patriotism by Albanians, and once by Serbs, was when kosovo declared Independence.. other then that, nothing..
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 18:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by zgembo on Apr 19, 2009 22:22:08 GMT -5
I don't pretend I know more about the situation down there than the people who actually live there (or rather I find it tasteless to tell those people what to believe and how they should be). The reason is I am more detached from the situation and things that I read and observe can rarely be as accurate or perceptive as what does people experience on a day-to-day basis.
The difference between 1st and 2nd generations is similar in that regard. It is tasteless for somebody who never lived in the country (and who can't drawn as much on the experiences and knowledge of their parents and family) and somebody who can barely speak the local language to be more nationalistic and to pretend they are more knowledgeable and in-tune with the situation.
Little of that has to do with people's criticisms of you, Illyria. Your problem is that you are ignorant, but you pretend not to be... you are not very smart, but you think you are. And you consistently overrate the level of knowledge and experience you actually posses.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 19, 2009 22:29:44 GMT -5
I remember when I was in Belgrade a couple of summers ago, and when I chilled with my friend who lives there and his friends. When they would engage in discussions on politics and history I mostly listened to them. If I ever said something it was to pose a question. I didn't take any nationalistic viewpoints and I didn't present any strong views on the politics or history of the region. I simply found it tasteless to do so in front of people who have lived and experience those things their whole lives (while I read history and news rather casually and in my spare time from Canada).
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Post by Bozur on Apr 19, 2009 22:41:02 GMT -5
I simply found it tasteless to do so in front of people who have lived and experience those things their whole lives (while I read history and news rather casually and in my spare time from Canada). wise approach.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 19, 2009 23:42:24 GMT -5
Experience is knowledge. But sometimes, It happens when a foreigner knows more about the country than a local. A foreign(westerner) has access to highly classified information(libraries, internet, books, journals) while a local is influenced by local politics. They also lack such technologies we take for granted here.
When i went to Tirana in 2006, I knew more than the people who lived there. I knew the dirty politics and clanish system. I wasn't influenced by propaganda as much as they were. They got their information from daily newspapers. Newspapers that represented one political clan or the other.
Experience will help you see reality for the way it is, books will help you understand it more. A combination of both will give you the most objective view.
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