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Post by theblackswans on Sept 16, 2008 16:15:49 GMT -5
With another verdict in favor of Bosniaks can we stop equating guilt among all sides during the war? Cleary Cetnik leadership in Serbia were planning this in the 1980's. They took advantage of the collapse of Yugoslavia to expel, exterminate and plunder Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo and to a lesser extent Slovenia. How can you equate guilt when it was Serbia invading there neighbors in all these situations and orchastrating the situation from behind the scenes (we all know that the Yugoslav council tapes not relelased before the world court would have proven this beyond reasonable doubt). With the comprehensive proof the the numbers of victims in Bosnia and the ratios of Bosniaks killed, Serbs killed and Croats killed is the proof of who really were pushing the buttons. Also the fact that most people were killed in 1991-93 when the Bosnian government and Croat officials didn't have the power to defend themselves or civillians. Can we finally put this fairytale to rest?
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Post by Demonel on Sept 16, 2008 16:19:45 GMT -5
He should have gotten 10 years.
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Post by tito on Sept 16, 2008 17:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by zgembo on Sept 16, 2008 19:38:52 GMT -5
The Hague has merely proven itself, time and time again, that it is biased and illegal for good reason. Every judge comes from either a NATO country or one of its satellite states. Considering those same countries waged war against Serbia and the Serbs, how can anyone expect objectivity. One can only wonder how different the judgments would be if it was truly an international court. But, that is impossible, of course. The court is funded by NATO countries and it will serve their interests (as Jamie Shea so clearly insisted in 1999 when talk came of NATO being prosecuted for war crimes).
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Post by theblackswans on Sept 16, 2008 20:38:42 GMT -5
The Hague has merely proven itself, time and time again, that it is biased and illegal for good reason. Every judge comes from either a NATO country or one of its satellite states. Considering those same countries waged war against Serbia and the Serbs, how can anyone expect objectivity. One can only wonder how different the judgments would be if it was truly an international court. But, that is impossible, of course. The court is funded by NATO countries and it will serve their interests (as Jamie Shea so clearly insisted in 1999 when talk came of NATO being prosecuted for war crimes). The defense put up by your criminals was hilarious because of the mountain of evidence against them in every single case. They have so much evidence that they leave out tons of it because it would take years just to get through the case. Just the opposite is true in the attempts to prosecute Bosnians at the hague. It is a Tito like attempt to equalize the playing field and it has been rejected by the evidence, judges, public, common sense, history and anyone associated with the tribunal and international justice with a shred of credibility. You cetniks try to claim the sky is red, the world is flat and that mountain doesn't exist in your attempts to rationalize your defense of criminals.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 16, 2008 21:37:56 GMT -5
All politicians were/are guilty. All mercenaries that would voluntarily take money from those policians or not even take money but merely for sadist reasons to murder other human beings are guilty. Intellectuals that promote their nation's 'superiority' or 'higher morality' are also guilty.
Clearly these kinds of individuals existed in all of the nationalities and thus it is difficult and illogical to segregate them to one collective group aside from sadists and criminals.
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Post by Demonel on Sept 17, 2008 1:45:18 GMT -5
For a rational man radiate you sure are iratonal.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 17, 2008 2:19:48 GMT -5
Is that based on any truth you've discovered or is that just your opinion? I like ice cream too Demonel.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 17, 2008 3:41:10 GMT -5
Wow, nothing better to do but make a poll on who's the most guilty in a war?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Sept 17, 2008 5:07:28 GMT -5
I havn't bothered to answer this one and really am at a loss as to what the main aim is? I would have to make up my own answer. They were all big criminals and that's why the war happened in the first place...can you add that to the poll?
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 17, 2008 5:35:44 GMT -5
My people raped 11,400 less woman then your people, naaahh But my people cleansed less then yours naaaah back at ya but my people...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Sept 17, 2008 5:47:19 GMT -5
^^^It was the leaders of all people that created this. A war doesn't just happen it's planned. They all wanted it.
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Post by tito on Sept 17, 2008 6:47:19 GMT -5
^^^It was the leaders of all people that created this. Jebem te coravu!
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Post by bob1389 on Sept 17, 2008 8:03:13 GMT -5
By the research of, Bosnian Muslim, Mirsad Tocaka out of the 100 000 death toll of the Bosnian war, 30 000 were SERBS.
More than the number of Croats killed in the Krajina conflict and Albanians killed in Kosovo...COMBINED.
Enough said.
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Post by theblackswans on Sept 17, 2008 8:21:35 GMT -5
All politicians were/are guilty. All mercenaries that would voluntarily take money from those policians or not even take money but merely for sadist reasons to murder other human beings are guilty. Intellectuals that promote their nation's 'superiority' or 'higher morality' are also guilty. Clearly these kinds of individuals existed in all of the nationalities and thus it is difficult and illogical to segregate them to one collective group aside from sadists and criminals. I agree but I know some people that were volunteers or happened to be in Bosnia working for the government when the war happened and got sucked into it. A friend of mine before the war was working for the Bosnian government on a contract flying helicopters around BiH when the war broke out. He then became a member of the Dobrinja TO and later resumed flying helicopters for the ABiH. He didn't do it for ideology, he just got caught up in it. Some of my Serbian friends in Sarajevo who fought with the ABiH said similar things about their war experiance.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 17, 2008 18:24:43 GMT -5
My people raped 11,400 less woman then your people, naaahh But my people cleansed less then yours naaaah back at ya but my people... Exactly , it madness. I still don't find it a laughing matter when we are discussing any individuals being murdered , raped , or pillaged. But the absurity of the arguments is well noted. You get an exhalt from me.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 17, 2008 18:32:09 GMT -5
All politicians were/are guilty. All mercenaries that would voluntarily take money from those policians or not even take money but merely for sadist reasons to murder other human beings are guilty. Intellectuals that promote their nation's 'superiority' or 'higher morality' are also guilty. Clearly these kinds of individuals existed in all of the nationalities and thus it is difficult and illogical to segregate them to one collective group aside from sadists and criminals. I agree but I know some people that were volunteers or happened to be in Bosnia working for the government when the war happened and got sucked into it. A friend of mine before the war was working for the Bosnian government on a contract flying helicopters around BiH when the war broke out. He then became a member of the Dobrinja TO and later resumed flying helicopters for the ABiH. He didn't do it for ideology, he just got caught up in it. Some of my Serbian friends in Sarajevo who fought with the ABiH said similar things about their war experiance. Once a person understands that war is a massively large transfer of wealth to those who seek power or otherwise use it then it becomes much more clear. Anyone who was part of any power establishment directing war , on whatever side, was certainly not there 'accidentely.' Of course war is much more than that as it is the greatest violation of ethics and human decency known to occur on such a massive scale. But sure , many people get caught up in war, many innocent people. I'm a pacifist but I understand the practicality of picking up a gun , if necessary , for self-defense to protect your loved ones and property. Thats quite different than putting on a costume with some symbology on it which shows a loyalty to the state and doing their dirty work. I cannot blame people for self-defense but I do not seek to explain 'cures' to war. Once a war has happened it is important not merely to analyze the 'cure' for it but rather look at the symptoms that led to it in the first place. Prevention is ultimately better than cure ( after the fact) in my opinion. Its sort of the difference between a good nutritionist explaining what is healthy and a doctor dealing with a cancer patient after the patient may have not heeded the advice of the nutritionist. However, I don't believe for a second that your friend was unaware of what would follow especially if he worked under contract for the government before the war broke out.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 17, 2008 22:07:49 GMT -5
"I still don't find it a laughing matter when we are discussing any individuals being murdered , raped , or pillaged. But the absurity of the arguments is well noted. You get an exhalt from me. "
a pissing contest about who killed/raped/cleansed more/less people... Thanks for the exhalt good sir!!
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 19, 2008 9:40:48 GMT -5
By the research of, Bosnian Muslim, Mirsad Tocaka out of the 100 000 death toll of the Bosnian war, 30 000 were SERBS. More than the number of Croats killed in the Krajina conflict and Albanians killed in Kosovo...COMBINED. Enough said. You are posting lies.... Almost half of the victims died in the first months of the war, when Serb forces helped by the Yugoslav army gained control of two-thirds of Bosnia by expelling and killing many in their notorious "ethnic cleansing" campaign. Sixty-six percent of those killed were ethnic Muslims, 26 percent Serbs and eight percent Croats, said Tokaca. Also more then half the serb victims were soldiers, while on the bosniak side the majority were civilians and more women then either side.... the fact that the majority of the victims died in the early months of 1992 is a clear indicator of a Serbian etnic cleansing campaign. Silly chetnik hordes we would have easily dealt with you had there not been an arms embargo on weapons purchases...
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Sept 19, 2008 9:48:43 GMT -5
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ahhaah yes....the majority of Serb victims were soldiars. The Muslims with their knives and forks managed to kill soldiars and didnt even touch the civilians.=S
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