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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 14, 2008 13:15:14 GMT -5
I think Romania and Albania are natural allies. For one, both people have lands occupied by slavs, both have pelasgian roots, and have nothing to lose and everything to gain if they become allies and form some type of Thraco-Daco-Illyrian federation ;D
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 14, 2008 13:26:05 GMT -5
Romania sided with Serbia on the Kosova issue... and defend Serbia quite adamantly. They are certainly not an ally.
Plus, i dont think Romanians like Albanians much on account of the Muslim thing...
Albania has a natural ally... its not an Orthodox Christian country...
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Post by epiroti on Dec 14, 2008 14:08:11 GMT -5
We have no neighbours with which we can create any true alliance - Kosova being an exception obviously.
Serbia is a sworn enemy, and at best we can show some moderation in our diplomacy to show the world that we have a mature diplomacy. We can't be allies with Greece until they start showing us more respect, and until we sort out the Cham issue. The second one, if ever taken seriously (maybe when we become less dependable on them from the immigrant-leverage), will just worsen things in the short term. Macedonia is starting to look like an ally for the moment, but there still isn't enough inter-ethnic harmony in that country for an alliance with us. Italy seems to me to be more interested in Serbia than Albania/Kosova.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 14, 2008 14:16:32 GMT -5
Romania sided with Serbia on the Kosova issue... and defend Serbia quite adamantly. They are certainly not an ally. Plus, i dont think Romanians like Albanians much on account of the Muslim thing... Albania has a natural ally... its not an Orthodox Christian country... Epiroti i'm not going to quote u because you're an idiot. Kosovars are Albanian of course other Albanians will be our allies...idiot. Macedonia an ally??? wow... back to the topic, Turkey is not a natural ally of Albania. it is a forced alliance because of religion and common enemies like Greece with Serbia. there are a lot of Orthodox Albanians and the Muslim ones are not even religious so religion doesn't matter. what matters is our common roots, common languages... Romania didn't recongize Kosova just like Bosnia didn't becuse of Transylvania, 2 million Hungarians live there and if they recognized Kosova they'd be hypocrietes not to recognize indepenence of Hungarians in their own country...I don't think politicians represent the general population anyway. Albanians are viewed favorably in Romania i think for the most part and it has nothing to do with religion. natural ally is an ally that has no interest...religous or otherwise, just many things shared. this is another video made from a Romanian, translated in Albanian:
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Post by diurpaneus on Dec 14, 2008 14:48:28 GMT -5
Romania has no time for Balkan alliances.
Our place is amongst the cultures of the West. We are the wild mountain that was tamed only by the Eagle of Rome. We are the cradle that gave birth to Alaric the Goth. We are the hand that tamed so many barbarian invasions and made those who stayed a part of us. We are the Borg. We are the stub that toppled the Ottoman cart so many times. We are VLACHS - the nation united by it's latin heritage on a barbaric background. We are thracians, germanics, greeks and celts who chose to forget their language in favor of the Latin language. We are one! Our place is amongst the cultures of the West.
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Post by epiroti on Dec 14, 2008 15:03:45 GMT -5
C'pate or koqe...?! S'i mund te me quash idjot, dhe pastaj te thuash pikerisht te njejten gje qe thashe edhe vete une?!
You need to fvcking learn what depends on what before you talk about such issues. How do you create an alliance with a country whose national interests conflict with yours?!
And why is Macedonia automatically out of the question as far as alliances go?! Is not exactly like we are a superpower, and macedonia is too insignificant, relatively speaking!
And what the hell are you talking about when you say 'forced alliance' and 'natural alliance'?! Stop living in the past.
And wake the fvck up and leave utopian thinking out of this. There's no place in politics for it.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 14, 2008 15:39:06 GMT -5
C'pate or koqe...?! S'i mund te me quash idjot, dhe pastaj te thuash pikerisht te njejten gje qe thashe edhe vete une?! You need to fvcking learn what depends on what before you talk about such issues. How do you create an alliance with a country whose national interests conflict with yours?! And why is Macedonia automatically out of the question as far as alliances go?! Is not exactly like we are a superpower, and macedonia is too insignificant, relatively speaking! And what the hell are you talking about when you say 'forced alliance' and 'natural alliance'?! Stop living in the past. And wake the fvck up and leave utopian thinking out of this. There's no place in politics for it. ti je koqe kandari per vete mo Kosvars are Albanians tahts like saying Shkodranet will be my allies lol u see why that sounds stupid theyre not a different nationality so thats why i called u an idiot. natural alliance is one that doesnt have any interest like Turkey and Albania, Greece and Serbia etc. what national conflict is there between Romania and Albania? absolutely none, on the contrary...many things in common and an alliance would benefit both nations, of course always looking towards the west vlachs integrate in Albania so easily, others are free to keep their Aromanian culture, some of the most patriotic southern Albanians are in Korce, and many people there have vlach ancestry... Macedonians are snakes, like an Albanian guy from there said, cut a Macedonian down the middle, and inside u find two Serbs
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Post by highduke on Dec 14, 2008 15:44:34 GMT -5
You'll be considering Chechens as a natural ally in a few weeks once I complete the glossary. BTW, Reply #4 was motherfvcking hilarious - lying BS with real PASSION lol! Another thing, alb & rom share a few hundred similar words & structural peculiarities thanks to a huge migration of Dacian Carpians to Dardania, even the Dardanians came from Anatolia. So, yeah, Turks are your natural allies too.
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Post by epiroti on Dec 14, 2008 15:53:07 GMT -5
You got pissed off why I expressed our closeness explicitely?! And you yourself are careless enough to say that you are not concerned with the North, with 'maloks', even with chams...
If Romania tends to see Kosova's Independence as a negative and unnecessary step, that's enough of a conflict to prevent relations of the level you're speaking about? How can you ignore that, and speak of alliances?!
With respect to Macedonia, there you go again. You just stated what I said initially...
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 14, 2008 16:04:24 GMT -5
^^ok I didn't say anything about the north or chams so stop going off topic, llogje nepermes Shqiptareve jane thene dhe nga te tjere ktu, jo vetem une so dont bring up irrevelant things that were said from other topics. i dont think it was necessary u should state closeness with other Albanian regions, that should be obvious already, if Romania and Albania should be allies these obviously includes all Albanian regions not just Albania proper... Romania doesn't recognize Kosova because of Transylvania the same reson Bosnia doesn't recgonize it. with respect to Macedonia u stated the exact opposite of what i did more Epir-Jo
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Post by plisbardhi on Dec 14, 2008 16:15:32 GMT -5
Thats a timeless quote melty, but adolf's right about Turkey. Everything Turks do to in our affairs is to their benifit at our expense, like when a Turkish official made a public statement that Kosova is 98% Turkish population. Historically and deep down they never liked us, as is true vice versa. Personally they have no honor, jan njerz t'poshter. Greeks unlike the Turks, in America atleast, have been very good friends to Kosovars, on a personal level (they opened up their hearts and the doors of the restaurant world to us). Turks are also generally stupid, everthing great they did was usually on the back of someone from the Balkans. To top it off they are also generally hard to look at. Turkophile Albanians are usually the ones who have never even seen a Turk. The above relating to Turks is largely true of Arabs too.
Any one who thinks Romania or Romanians are our allies is a retard. I know Romanians and Albanians who used to work their. Romania being orthodox really has nothing do to with it either, their just a bunch of degenerates like the Turks. The only difference is we would have more to lose by being associated with the Turks.
The undiluted truth is our most natural allies, those with whom we share the most blood and culture, are also our historical enemies, Montenegro and Greece. Both carried on courtships with Albanians at some point, and both stabbed us in the back.
Serbs and Maco-bulgars are in the same boat and will always be our enemies, which is why we must always be on top of them.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 14, 2008 16:23:51 GMT -5
^^Greeks and Albanians can be friends individually but with respect to national interests Greece and Greeks are our #1 enemy and always will be, unfortunately.
Albanians are welcome in Romania I've never heard of problems. Vlachs are some of the most patriotic Albanians and theyre not forced to be. why is it so retarded, and why are they degenerates? thier politicans? we have degenearte politicans too like Sali Berisha who has sold weapons to Serbs and lets Greek elementary schools be open when they are no Greek, Gerdec etc, I coudl go on...
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Post by epiroti on Dec 14, 2008 16:26:07 GMT -5
I initially said: 'Macedonia is starting to look like an ally for the moment, but there still isn't enough inter-ethnic harmony in that country for an alliance with us.'
later, you said:
'Macedonians are snakes, like an Albanian guy from there said, cut a Macedonian down the middle, and inside u find two Serbs.'
How the hell are those two statements opposite?! They both point out Macedonia's political character as an obstacle for alliance between us and them.
On Kosova's case, it is not irrelevant for me to mention previous views you've expressed on the issue. One moment, for you, it is completely normal to refer to other regions of albanian lands with derogatory terms, such as maloks, and the next moment you swear at someone who explicitely mentions the closeness between Albania and Kosova?! I mentioned your previous views to point out your double standards. I am not trying to imply that you are not fond of Kosova, but that you don't have the moral high-ground to flip out when someone merely makes something explicit.
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Post by plisbardhi on Dec 14, 2008 16:35:35 GMT -5
I'm not talking about Vlachs or Romanian politicians, I'm talking about actual Romanians. Vlachs can also be the most patriotic Serbs, so your comment is irrelevent. Romania is also way too arbitrary. Just because you can find gypsies waving Albanian flags doesn't mean India is our natural ally.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 14, 2008 16:48:18 GMT -5
Epirjote you are confused brotherman... said dont bring past topics here, capesh? im not the only one whos made such comments... Plisbardhi how do u know actual Romanians? besides whether or not u or Romanians agree we are natural allies because we have common roots, common languages, etc...alliance that is not based on religion or interest... vlachs are forced to be patriotic in Serbia because like Greece Serbia doesnt recognize vlachs as being Romanian, in Albania we do recognize vlachs as a minority, its just some of them choose to be patriotic Albanians instead. i'm from the vlach central region of Albania so i should know the difference between forcd patriotism and chosen
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 14, 2008 17:03:45 GMT -5
I didnt mean just Turkey, I personally prefer Hungary to Romania... At least there there is some precedent with the Hunyadi and many early Albanologists were Hungarians... also perhaps Croats... a long with Macedonians.
Dani do shkruaj ne Shqip, dhe po ju lutem per ju qe te me kopjioni... sepse e di qe shkjat dhe jevgjitet po e lezojn kte teme.
Ketu un sjam dakort. Shumica e Shqiptaret qe hurrejn turqet ose jan katolike malok ose skam par nje turk ndonje here. Ne shkollen time kemi gjithmone gati 200 Turq nga universitetet e turqise qe vine ketu per 2 vite. Shqiptaret dhe Turqet ketu jan bere miq te fort. Edhe Shqiptaret qe vine prap nga turqia flasin per Turqine si e vetmja shtet ne bote qi pelqen racen tone. Shko ne faqet per kosoven ne facebook dhe do shofesh qe ato qe mbeshteten me Shqiperine jan me shume Turq dhe pastaj Kroat dhe Boshnjak. Po te shkosh ne faqet kunder Kosoves gjithmone do shofesh Romun, Grek, Bulgar, Rus... etc etc.
Shqiptaret Ortodoks jan nje minoritet te vogel she shume nga tyre jan asimiluar nga Greket. Po te shkosh ne greqi jan gjithmone Shqiptaret Ortodoks qe dalin kunder shqiptaret dhe thuajn "sjam shqiptar jam ortodoks". Edhe 100 vjet perpara, nji numer te madh te ksaj grupe u mbeshtet me greqine.
Edhe dihet qe Turqet i duan shqiptaret nga qe jemi Musliman... dhe ku eshte a keqa ketu... ashtu ne jemi...
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Post by highduke on Dec 14, 2008 17:27:12 GMT -5
Why not Turks? They gave you pederasty & status in the Ottoman hierarchy that allowed you to colonize Kosovo & Macedonia by cleansing Serbs. Romanians dont give a crap that some degenerate Dacian tribe mixed with you, theres no kinship between you & them. Look to Turks & Chechens for ethnic & cultural allies because the West has already abandond you in Kosovo.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 14, 2008 17:32:54 GMT -5
Turkali you have a very twisted view of reality that is blinded by the Turkish blood that flows through your veins so this is the last time i will address you. Albanian Orthodox are not a small minority(they are a minority, not that small more and more Albanian Muslims are chosing Christianity even in Kosova i think u should go f**k yourself, how are Albanian Orthodox converted into Greeks? i'm Albanian Orthodox on both sides, with the excpetion of my Cham grandmother and I"m not Greek...neither are many of my compatriots... if u are talking about the Albanians in Greece u should know that Albanians in Greece get assimilated whether theyre Orthodox or Muslim it doesnt matter, they become Greek because thats where they live. again ur talking about what people say on the internet, and i dont think Romanians are that preoccupied with Kosova, but if u want to talk about the ones who are against it, theres plenty of them "on the internet" who are pro Albanian also ik pirdhu tani. highduke, on the contrary, theres a lot of kinship between Albanians and Romanians and unlike you we are native to Europe and the Balkans shumica e Shqiptareve nuk e cajn shume karin per Turqine ore Turkali, in fact Turks are hated in the south too, so its not just Catholic maloks, stop basing all ur opinions what u read on the internets and Turkali Albanians are not "Muslim" they have different religions so its disrespecting to say Albanians are Muslims when not all are, and thats not a good enough reason for an ally anyway. besides i already explained Turkey is an ally of interest, not a natural one, not by a long shot.. and once again Turkali, your Turkish ancestry has blinded ur vision because Macedonia conflicts with Albania so we cant be allies with them. thats like saing we can be allies with Serbia. there will come a day when Albanians in Macedonia will revolt, are u still going to support Maceodnia just because you're half Turkish and hate Greece?
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Post by highduke on Dec 14, 2008 17:50:05 GMT -5
Actualy Adolf, every GENETIC STUDY so far has confirmed that 80% of our pre-Serb ancestors have been in same place for 17000 years, see haplogroup I. Albanians, especialy Kosovars have a large amount haplogroup J, which entered Europe 8000 years ago. Check wiki. Names like serb, albanian, illyrian, roman/ian are all relatively modern tribal names assimilated by mutch more ancient peoples
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 14, 2008 17:50:18 GMT -5
I got to hand it to Adolfkarderi... he says it like it is... and he is not shy about it or afraid of what other Albanians would say about him.Good for him.
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