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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Oct 31, 2008 0:26:16 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me why Muslims seem to think that this is derogatory term to call Serbs? Furthermore can someone explain to me why some Serbs get offended by this term? I think its pretty obvious down to the wire that Serbs (As well as all Slavs from the Balkans) have some degree of Vlach in them. Its commong knowledge that Vlachs are the descendants of Latin people left over from the Roman Empire who mixed with Illyrians and other ancient Hellene tribes.........and later mixed in with the invading Slavs.
And its also common knowledge that the Croats and Serbs (The major Slav tribes since Bosnians, Macedonians and Montenegrins never existed) absorbed these people into their own. The patron saint of Dubrovnik was Vlach, as were the two of the greatest royal houses of todays Montenegro........the Balsic's and the Petrovicis (Supposedly). Hell even Tose Proeski was a Vlach! I traced my family tree onto Illyria a few months ago, and found a few Vlach names among my ancestors. Why should i be ashamed of been related to a people who are decendants of the greatest Empire the world has ever seen?
So if they were here first, and the Muslims continue to label us their descendants, does that not mean that todays "Serbs" infact have more claim to Bosnia then they do? hm......
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 31, 2008 0:34:13 GMT -5
lol ive also wondered that. I most probably have some have Vlach in me since alot of Serbs and Vlachs fought and lived together for centuries in Krajina.
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Post by maki on Oct 31, 2008 4:07:42 GMT -5
Vlachs look like gypsies and tend to have terrible accents that are hard to understand.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 31, 2008 4:37:15 GMT -5
Romanians are good looking and they're Vlachs right?
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Post by maki on Oct 31, 2008 4:51:36 GMT -5
Wouldnt have a clue, dont know any Romanians.
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Post by tito on Oct 31, 2008 8:05:48 GMT -5
So if they were here first, and the Muslims continue to label us their descendants, does that not mean that todays "Serbs" infact have more claim to Bosnia then they do? hm...... The point that you are missing is that the Vlachs in Bosnia where imported by the Ottomans, the Vlachs where supposed to be our kmets for ever, why else would we allowed them to consume Bosnian air?
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Post by zgembo on Oct 31, 2008 8:24:03 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that "Muslims" think they can be superior to us. In Yugoslavia you had the Shiptars and Muslims who were in a lower rung. Both were remnants of a sickly and backward non-European empire. They had the lowest cultural development and the least education. Your parents raise you, correcting uncultured behaviour by telling you only balije do that and only Shiptars do this. Yet, both those people though highly of themselves. Hillarious. "Svaki cigo hvali svog konja" jbg.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 31, 2008 9:31:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind being called a Vlach were I a Vlach. I think Muslims use the term Vlach to reduce the historical claim that Bosnian Serbs (also known as Orthodox Christian Bosniaks...?) have to Bosnia while trying to make it seem that Bosniaks are a different ethnic group from Serbs and have lived there since before the dawn of time (or at least before the "Vlachs" showed up.)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 31, 2008 9:33:41 GMT -5
Talking about vlachs, that super balija el-kapetan used to use this term. what happened with this lost soul?
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 31, 2008 9:37:14 GMT -5
Talking about vlachs, that super balija el-kapetan used to use this term. what happened with this lost soul? He did an anti Jihad and imploded.
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 31, 2008 9:47:00 GMT -5
The Balsha/Balsic are of Norman descent...
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Post by radovic on Oct 31, 2008 10:06:52 GMT -5
So if they were here first, and the Muslims continue to label us their descendants, does that not mean that todays "Serbs" infact have more claim to Bosnia then they do? hm...... The point that you are missing is that the Vlachs in Bosnia where imported by the Ottomans, the Vlachs where supposed to be our kmets for ever, why else would we allowed them to consume Bosnian air? Except that's bul;ls**t. There was a Vlach population in Dalmatia and Herzegovina before the Ottomans arrived in Bosnia. If there were Vlach populations in Dalmatia, Serbia and places like Romania and Bulgaria there is no reason to claim that they are an "imported population" in Bosnia -- especially since they were nomadic.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 31, 2008 10:10:45 GMT -5
And the Ottomans only "imported" Muslim populations.
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Post by tito on Oct 31, 2008 10:58:01 GMT -5
The point that you are missing is that the Vlachs in Bosnia where imported by the Ottomans, the Vlachs where supposed to be our kmets for ever, why else would we allowed them to consume Bosnian air? Except that's bul;ls**t. There was a Vlach population in Dalmatia and Herzegovina before the Ottomans arrived in Bosnia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 31, 2008 11:06:42 GMT -5
So Vlachs in Bosnia were "imported" from Dalmatia/Herzegovina? What a long journey they must have undertook.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 31, 2008 11:07:14 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me why Muslims seem to think that this is derogatory term to call Serbs? I never use it as a derogatory term, nore do I think other Bosniaks do use it in a derogatory term. We call Vlachs Vlachs only when they first start to call us with our "previous" official name imposed in SHS and Yuga. We don't really see any offense in being called muslims, hell we are proud of it, what we don't like is that that label was imposed on us as our official name only to suit Vlach politics, and if you don't recognize us for our people's real name, why should we call you with the name of the new identity you embraced in the end of the 19th century? That's it, there's no offense in it. I also don't get that As for Bosnians yeah, we only exist since 1000 years, what a people with no history No because unlike that nazi-like ideology you have it doesn't really matter who was where 1000 years ago, it matters who is now, and what he did to make that place a better place. Hehe we all know that mapko don't worry, that is why Juga will never ever happen again. Who the real kmets were, has been seen for more than 4 centuries, not for some 74 years, the only terrible time when Bosnia had the disgrace of being under Serbia's control.
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Post by tito on Oct 31, 2008 11:15:53 GMT -5
So Vlachs in Bosnia were "imported" from Dalmatia/Herzegovina? What a long journey they must have undertook. Actually most where imported from Wallachia, the Bosnian landlords simply needed kmets to work on their lands. The Turks first offered us Muslims from the Caucasus but the Bosnian landlords refused since they where not allowed to threat Muslims as animals. Instead we got the orthodox-christian vlachs which turned out to be the greatest mistake ever.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 31, 2008 11:16:23 GMT -5
I never use it as a derogatory term, nore do I think other Bosniaks do use it in a derogatory term. We call Vlachs Vlachs only when they first start to call us with our "previous" official name imposed in SHS and Yuga. We don't really see any offense in being called muslims, hell we are proud of it, what we don't like is that that label was imposed on us as our official name only to suit Vlach politics, and if you don't recognize us for our people's real name, why should we call you with the name of the new identity you embraced in the end of the 19th century? That's it, there's no offense in it. I offered to call you all Bosniaks if you agreed that Bosniaks were a subgroup of Serbs but you didn't accept that. 19th century? WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT? Serbs have always been Serbs. We have always called ourselves Serbs. Anyway, Muslims are Muslims but Serbs aren't Vlachs and keep in mind that one is a religious identity while the other is an ethnic identity so the two are incomparable. Actually most where imported from Wallachia, the Bosnian landlords simply needed kmets to work on their lands. The Turks first offered us Muslims from the Caucasus but the Bosnian landlords refused since they where not allowed to threat Muslims as animals. Instead we got the orthodox-christian vlachs which turned out to be the greatest mistake ever. Sounds like a load of crap to me since the Turks didn't have a habit of shifting non Muslim populations and there was no shortage of Orthodox Christians in Bosnia before the Turks arrived (and until the 19th century, Orthodox Christian Serbs were the absolute majority in Bosnia.)
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Post by Duke John on Oct 31, 2008 11:17:51 GMT -5
Mega Serbatron are you Bob?
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 31, 2008 11:22:29 GMT -5
Mega Serbatron are you Bob? Go ask Bob.
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