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Post by SKORIC on Oct 31, 2008 22:23:14 GMT -5
Since Serbs are Vlachs and decendents of the Romans then Serbia has claim to the former roman empire.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 31, 2008 22:57:18 GMT -5
If Vlachs are Hellenic (and chances are that they are) then maybe it was the Vlachs who were the Greeks that were assimilated by Serbs when Serbs settled in the Balkans? If that is the case then Serbs have ethnic claims on the Eastern Roman Empire on top of historical, religious and cultural claims.
So if a new Byzantine would ever arise then the capital might be Belgrade (which would be renamed to Byzantium)!
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Post by tyson on Nov 1, 2008 0:51:27 GMT -5
nothing wrong with having vlach ancestry.
most croats from dalmatinska zagora and lika have mixed vlach ancestry
same with croats from western bosnia, ie. tomislavgrad/duvno, livno, kupres, glamoc, dvar, bosansko grahovo. in other words, the municipalities that make up "canton 10"
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 1, 2008 6:59:53 GMT -5
Lajcak is a Vlah Vlajcak
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Post by vlaici on Nov 2, 2008 1:42:03 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me why Muslims seem to think that this is derogatory term to call Serbs? Furthermore can someone explain to me why some Serbs get offended by this term? I think its pretty obvious down to the wire that Serbs (As well as all Slavs from the Balkans) have some degree of Vlach in them. Its commong knowledge that Vlachs are the descendants of Latin people left over from the Roman Empire who mixed with Illyrians and other ancient Hellene tribes.........and later mixed in with the invading Slavs. And its also common knowledge that the Croats and Serbs (The major Slav tribes since Bosnians, Macedonians and Montenegrins never existed) absorbed these people into their own. The patron saint of Dubrovnik was Vlach, as were the two of the greatest royal houses of todays Montenegro........the Balsic's and the Petrovicis (Supposedly). Hell even Tose Proeski was a Vlach! I traced my family tree onto Illyria a few months ago, and found a few Vlach names among my ancestors. Why should i be ashamed of been related to a people who are decendants of the greatest Empire the world has ever seen? So if they were here first, and the Muslims continue to label us their descendants, does that not mean that todays "Serbs" infact have more claim to Bosnia then they do? hm...... Hello friends, I'm a Vlach from Romania (Romanian as a matter of fact...) We are: * Daco-Romanians , speaking the Romanian language * Aromanians (speaking the Aromanian language) * Megleno-Romanians (speaking the Megleno-Romanian language) * Istro-Romanians (speaking the Istro-Romanian language) For more details look in: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlach. If I am not wrong, the vlachs from Dubrovnik (Ragusa) were Mavro Vlachs- totally assimilated by slavs. For political reasons some claimed Vlachs to be to orthodox population residing in today's Croatia. For other reasons, others claim that Vlachs (not Serbs) would have converted to Islam... The mysteries of this balkanic minority will not be solved here . Did you know what your mountains names mean: Durmitor and Visitor? The sleeping one and the dreaming one in Romanian.
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Post by tyson on Nov 2, 2008 21:25:57 GMT -5
^ ragusans have different history of origins than the people known vlachs/romanians/megleno-romanians/istro-romanians/aromanians.
ragusans were the remnants of latin speaking peoples left over from when the eastern adriatic was part of the roman empire. just like there was latin speaking peoples in rijeka, zadar, split, but they all got completely assimilated into croatian nation not long after the croats settled and ruled these lands. its just that ragusans managed to keep some independance for a while longer, but eventually they got assimilated and consumed into the croat nation aswell. these latin speaking peoples from rijeka, zadar, split & dubrovnik were settled townsfolk, who were made up of the ruling classes and nobility inside the roman empire who most probably came from italy proper, because the eastern adriatic's original inhabitants were illyrians. in other words they are what would be considered ROMANS.
ragusans also did have greek origins aswell, since epidarum (today's cavtat, on the konavle coast) was the original settlement , but because of an earthquake that completely destroyed epidarum and sank the city into the sea, they moved to todays durbovnik , and built with neighboring latin peoples a new city called ragusa .
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Post by tyson on Nov 4, 2008 2:40:20 GMT -5
now with that being said, the vlachs were culturally different. the vlachs were for a very long time, a nomadic peoples, who spoke vulgar latin, which was different to the latin speaking peoples in rijeka, zadar, split & dubrovnik, who spoke a dialect of latin more closer to western latin. vlach origns were made up of a hybrid mix of old balkan peoples, like illyrians, thracians & greeks, aswell as descendants of slaves and convicts from the byzantine lands in asia minor, middle east and north africa. those peoples slaves and convicts were transported on ships to the port of epirus, and then were freed. from there, they intermarried with locals, and became nomadic shephards, migrating slowly northwards into albania, northern greece, macedonia, bulgaria, intermarrying with locals there, and then migrating further north into serbia, with some settling there, and the rest heading in 2 different directions,.... one west wards to montenegro, BiH & croatia, and the much larger mass heading northeast wards over the danube in timocka krajina, into todays romania, forming the romanian nation.
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Post by vlaici on Nov 4, 2008 12:52:56 GMT -5
now with that being said, the vlachs were culturally different. the vlachs were for a very long time, a nomadic peoples, who spoke vulgar latin, which was different to the latin speaking peoples in rijeka, zadar, split & dubrovnik, who spoke a dialect of latin more closer to western latin. vlach origns were made up of a hybrid mix of old balkan peoples, like illyrians, thracians & greeks, aswell as descendants of slaves and convicts from the byzantine lands in asia minor, middle east and north africa. those peoples slaves and convicts were transported on ships to the port of epirus, and then were freed. from there, they intermarried with locals, and became nomadic shephards, migrating slowly northwards into albania, northern greece, macedonia, bulgaria, intermarrying with locals there, and then migrating further north into serbia, with some settling there, and the rest heading in 2 different directions,.... one west wards to montenegro, BiH & croatia, and the much larger mass heading northeast wards over the danube in timocka krajina, into todays romania, forming the romanian nation. Thanks, you illuminated me, sensei! It was so simple, so obvious, so easy! How on earth, we, Vlachs, as you used to call us, were unable to see it?!... Should I ever have any other doubt, I'll turn to you. Fare well, sweet prince! By the way, Via Egnatia, is it telling anything to you?
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Post by tyson on Nov 4, 2008 16:53:02 GMT -5
^ sorry, the post wasnt adressed to you. it was addressed to other peoples who posted on this thread who are non-romanian/vlach, who claimed that old ragusans were vlachs. i had to correct them on that.
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Post by vlaici on Nov 4, 2008 23:53:58 GMT -5
^ sorry, the post wasnt adressed to you. it was addressed to other peoples who posted on this thread who are non-romanian/vlach, who claimed that old ragusans were vlachs. i had to correct them on that. Don't be sorry, I was a bit too radical myself... I found here just talking and no one sent us to historical source. I would be interested about these "old ragusans", for example. Have a good day!
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