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Post by SKORIC on Feb 25, 2009 23:29:54 GMT -5
Pretty good book about Serbs during WW1 it was written by a English lecturer of history a few years after WW1. Very detailed about the events and battles to do with the Serbs from the start to the end of the war. The Serbs - The Guardians of the gate by R.G.D. Laffan The classic in this genre remains the R.G.D.Laffan's series of lectures delivered in Salonica and published after the war as Guardians of the Gate. For Laffan, it is not simply that the Serbs are so obviously superior physically to all their neighbours: 'the thoroughbreds of the Balkans', as he calls them. It is also their idealism, lyricism and sensitive spirituality that sets them apart and demands our solidarity in their hour of need. Even the contributor of the foreword to Laffan's lectures, a no-nonsense naval officer, finds himself swept away on a tide of awestruck admiration, writing: 'Serbia has indeed well and bravely answered the great question He asked: "What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?".
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Post by kapetan on Feb 26, 2009 0:50:45 GMT -5
fresh off serbianna.com recomendations list eh
Don't forget "Ratko Mladic: Tragic Hero"
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 26, 2009 1:08:59 GMT -5
The classic in this genre remains the R.G.D.Laffan's series of lectures delivered in Salonica and published after the war as Guardians of the Gate. For Laffan, it is not simply that the Serbs are so obviously superior physically to all their neighbours: 'the thoroughbreds of the Balkans', as he calls them. It is also their idealism, lyricism and sensitive spirituality that sets them apart and demands our solidarity in their hour of need. Even the contributor of the foreword to Laffan's lectures, a no-nonsense naval officer, finds himself swept away on a tide of awestruck admiration, writing: 'Serbia has indeed well and bravely answered the great question He asked: "What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?".
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 1:25:06 GMT -5
fresh off serbianna.com recomendations list eh Don't forget "Ratko Mladic: Tragic Hero" What Serbianna? It isnt written by a Serb so get outa here.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 26, 2009 2:53:43 GMT -5
First, Deucaon's recommendation about "Dobrovoljacka Putovanje", then this book by Skoric....
THIS FORUM IS WORTH EVERY MINUTE SPENT HERE (except .... you know ... when .... talking to .... animals)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 26, 2009 3:59:46 GMT -5
fresh off serbianna.com recomendations list eh Don't forget "Ratko Mladic: Tragic Hero" hey Kapetan, i am sure that Muslim Slavs of Bosnia are the tallest and blondest compared to the rest of the muslim world, where you (try desperately to) belong. (jeez, did i pull some nazi strings inside Kapetan....) LOL
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 26, 2009 4:32:04 GMT -5
What's the resoning for that?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 26, 2009 4:33:49 GMT -5
What's the resoning for that? read the book, and you will know.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 6:08:26 GMT -5
What's the resoning for that? Serbs left a big impression on people after WW1. This isnt just some random opinions it comes from people who were actually there or saw the Serbs on the Solonika front etc.. Like the following "General, Please Ask the Serbs to Slow Down…”90 years ago, on September 13 1918, at dawn, the Commander-in-Chief of the Allied Forces in the Balkans, French General Franchet d’Espérey, ordered the final offensive for the breakthrough of the Thessaloniki front. Serbian Army which led the offensive on the ground played the key role in a battle studied even today at countless military academies throughout the world, as a shining example of*glorious victory. At 5:30 a.m. the Serbian troops began and unstoppable surge from the Greek border back in to Serbia, to free their motherland, pushing the Austrians, Germans and Bulgarians out of their country. In 12 days they advanced 800 miles on foot, forcing the French general to telegraph his counterpart in the Serbian Army, General Stepanovic: “General, please ask the Serbian infantry to slow down, the French cavalry cannot keep up the pace!”The command issued by General Zivojin Misic to the Serbian Army at the dawn of the battle was brief and clear: “Boldly press forward, without rest, to the utter limits of the human and horse strength. To death, just don’t stop! With the unwavering faith and hope: Heroes, forward! to the fatherland!”On September 13 1918, the state which was at the brink of complete destruction in the fall of 1915 — occupied by the most powerful empires, left without the army, government and king — rose up from the ashes and amazed the world with its courage and willingness to sacrifice for freedom. ^ French General Franchet d’Espérey “These Serbs are tough in trouble, sober, modest, unbreakable. They are the free men, proud of their nation and the masters of their fields… For the freedom of their homeland these peasants instantly turned into the most courageous soldiers, the most persistent, the best of all soldiers,” - French General Franchet d’Espérey, Commander-in-Chief of the Allied troops in WWI.
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Post by Atan on Feb 26, 2009 6:25:19 GMT -5
;D ;D No offence but I don't think "your" military "victories" is your best side. Try something else. Like some achievements in science or something.... How many military victories you have by the way? On your own I mean? Do you know that Bulgaria (with no help from Germans) alone could take you and Greece down? Actually we did - we crushed your and Greece army. Why don't you write this down? How in the first year of the war the brave Serbs were hastily retreating west? Don't be so cocky. Say big "Thank you" to France and Britain.
As for Serbs be the "physically superior" to other Balkan nations. What a normal person can answer to that? ;D ;D
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 6:32:23 GMT -5
;D ;D No offence but I don't think "your" military "victories" is your best side. Try something else. Like some achievements in science or something.... How many military victories you have by the way? On your own I mean? Do you know that Bulgaria (with no help from Germans) alone could take you and Greece down? Actually we did - we crushed your and Greece army. Why don't you write this down? How in the first year of the war the brave Serbs were hastily retreating west? Don't be so c**ky. Say big "Thank you" to France and Britain. As for Serbs be the "physically superior" to other Balkan nations. What a normal person can answer to that? ;D ;D Mate learn what happened in the first year before you talk It was Austrian and German forces from the north attacking with Bulgaria attacking from the east. This is after we drove the Austrian army back 3 times. (Winning the first battle of WW1 for the allied side) Battle of CerPotiorek rushed the attack against Serbia from northern Bosnia with his Fifth Army, supported by elements of the Second Army from Syrmia. The Second Army was due to be transported to Gallicia to face the Russians at the end of August, but he made use of it until then. The Sixth was positioning itself in southern Bosnia and was not yet able to commence offensive operations. Potiorek's desire was to win a victory before Emperor Joseph's birthday and to knock Serbia out as soon as possible. Thus he made two grave strategic errors, attacking with only just over half of his strength, and attacking hilly western Serbia instead of the flat north. This move surprised Marshal Putnik, who expected attack from the north and initially believed that it was a feint. Once it became clear that it was the main thrust, the strong Second Army under the command of General Stepa Stepanoviæ was sent to join the small Third under Pavle Jurišiæ Šturm already facing the Austro-Hungarians and expel the invaders. After a fierce four day battle, the Austro-Hungarians were forced to retreat, marking the first Allied victory of the war. Casualties were around 23,000 for Austro-Hungarians (of whom 4,500 captured) and 16,500 for the Serbs. Battle of DrinaUnder pressure of its allies, Serbia conducted a limited offensive across the Sava river into the Austro-Hungarian Syrmia with its Serbian First Army. Meanwhile the Timok division I of the Serbian Second Army suffered a heavy defeat in a diversionary crossing, suffering around 6,000 casualties while inflicting only 2000. With most of his forces in Bosnia, Potiorek decided that the best way to stop the Serbian offensive was to launch another invasion into Serbia to force the Serbs to recall their troops to defend their much smaller homeland. September 7 brought a renewed Austro-Hungarian attack from the west, across the river Drina, this time with both the Fifth Army in Maèva and the Sixth further south. Initial attack by the Fifth Army was repelled by the Serbian Second Army, with 4,000 Austro-Hungarian casualties, but the stronger Sixth Army managed to surprise the Serbian Third Army and gain a foothold. After some units from the Serbian Second Army were sent to bolster the Third, the Austro-Hungarian Fifth Army also managed to establish a bridgehead with a renewed attack. At that time, Marshal Putnik withdrew the First Army from Syrmia (against much popular opposition) and used it to deliver a fierce counterattack against the Sixth Army that initially went well, but finally bogged down in a bloody four-day fight for a peak of the Jagodnja mountain called Maèkov Kamen, in which both sides suffered horrendous losses in successive frontal attacks and counterattacks. Two Serbian divisions lost around 11,000 men, while Austro-Hungarian losses were probably comparable. Marshal Putnik ordered a retreat into the surrounding hills and the front settled in a month and a half of trench warfare, which was highly unfavourable to the Serbs, who were inferior in heavy artillery, ammunition stocks, shell production (having only a single factory producing around 100 shells a day) and also footwear, since the vast majority of infantry wore the traditional (though state-issued) opanaks, while the Austro-Hungarians had soak-proof leather boots. Most of the war material was supplied by the Allies, who were short themselves. In such a situation, Serbian artillery quickly became almost silent, while the Austro-Hungarians steadily increased their fire. Serbian daily casualties reached 100 soldiers from all causes in some divisions (notably in Combined division). During the first weeks of trench warfare, the Serbian Užice Army (one strengthened division) and the Montenegrin Sanjak Army (roughly a division) conducted an abortive offensive into Bosnia. In addition, both sides conducted a few local attacks, most of which were soundly defeated. In one such attack, the Serbian Army used mine warfare for the first time: Combined division dug tunnels beneath the Austro-Hungarian trenches (that were only 20-30m away from the Serbian ones on this sector), planted mines and set them off just before an infantry charge. Battle of KolubaraHaving thus weakened the Serbian Army, the Austro-Hungarian Army launched another massive attack on November 5. The Serbians withdrew step by step, offering strong resistance at the Kolubara River, but to no avail, due to the lack of artillery ammunition. It was at that time that General Živojin Mišiæ was made commander of the battered First Army, replacing the wounded Petar Bojoviæ. He insisted on a deep withdrawal in order to give the troops some much-needed rest and to shorten the front. Marshal Putnik finally relented, but the consequence was the abandonment of the capital city of Belgrade. The Austro-Hungarian Army entered the city on December 2. This move led Potiorek to move the whole Fifth Army to the Belgrade area and use it to crush the Serbian right flank. This, however, left the Sixth alone for a few days to face the whole Serbian army. At this point, artillery ammunition finally arrived from France and Greece. In addition, some replacements were sent to the units and Marshal Putnik correctly sensed that the Austro-Hungarian forces were dangerously overstretched and weakened in the previous offensives, so he ordered a full scale counterattack with the entire Serbian Army on December 3 against the Sixth army. The Fifth hurried its flanking maneuver, but it was already too late - with the Sixth Army broken, the Second and Third Serbian armies overwhelmed the Fifth. Finally, Potiorek lost his nerve and ordered yet another retreat back to across the rivers into Austria-Hungary's territory. (See second map.) The Serbian Army recaptured Belgrade on December 15. The first phase of the war against Serbia had ended with no change in the border, but the casualties were incredible compared to earlier wars, though sadly, not out of keeping with other campaigns of this war. The Serbian army lost around 170,000 men killed, wounded captured or missing. Austro-Hungarian losses were approaching 215,000. Austro-Hungarian General Potiorek was removed from command and replaced by Archduke Eugen of Austria (C. Falls p. 54). On the Serbian side, a deadly typhus epidemic killed hundreds of thousands of Serbian civilians during the winter. SummaryOnce Bulgaria attacked in coordination with Austria-Hungary, the smaller Serbian Army could not withstand the attack alone, so the order was given for the temporary withdrawal to Greek islands. Greece was not a major power, nor friendly to the Allies, and the northern border of Greece offered superior defensive positions for a strong country like Bulgaria to defend. The ramifications of the war were manifold. When World War I ended, the Treaty of Neuilly gave Greece Western Thrace, and Serbia some minor territorial concessions from Bulgaria. Austria-Hungary was broken apart and Hungary lost much land to both Yugoslavia and Romania in the Treaty of Trianon. Serbia assumed the lead position in the new state of Yugoslavia, joined by its old ally, Montenegro. Meanwhile, Italy established a quasi-protectorate over Albania and Greece reoccupied the country's southern part, which was autonomous under a local Greek provisional Government (see Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Campaign_(World_War_I)Then we got it all back on the Solonika front, and as you can see from the other posts we were way ahead of both the French and the British in liberating our country
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 6:44:21 GMT -5
What happened in 1913?
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Post by Atan on Feb 26, 2009 6:47:51 GMT -5
Well it did happen. We loose. But not from you !
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 6:49:42 GMT -5
Yes from us, its ok to admit it ;D
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Post by Atan on Feb 26, 2009 6:59:13 GMT -5
Whatever mate ;D. What happened - it passed. But you are not objective.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 7:02:10 GMT -5
lol those are not my words in the first post but the words of the book by a non Serb. I did not give my personal opinion on anything.
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Post by Atan on Feb 26, 2009 7:04:25 GMT -5
Ok. You are right (again ;D). By the way - which gate are you guarding and from who? From Tatars at the East or from towel-heads from the South?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 26, 2009 7:04:38 GMT -5
;D ;D No offence but I don't think "your" military "victories" is your best side. dont speak like albie or muslim.
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Post by Atan on Feb 26, 2009 7:09:47 GMT -5
Ok Mr. Pyrros! Understood! I won't talk like Muslim ever again! I swear!
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 7:29:34 GMT -5
Ok. You are right (again ;D). By the way - which gate are you guarding and from who? From Tatars at the East or from towel-heads from the South? Ask the aurthor
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