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Post by leandros nikon on Apr 30, 2008 4:27:37 GMT -5
Albanians claim that the pelasgians are their anchestors...Just bcz they want to believe that they are the most ancient people in the balkans..Despite the albanian obsession concerning the pelasgian issue...There are several sources which prove a serious greek-pelasgian connection.penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dionysius_of_Halicarnassus/1B*.htmlDionysius of Halicarnassus Roman Antiquities p29 (Book I, continued) 17 Afterwards some of the Pelasgians who inhabited Thessaly, as it is now called, being obliged to leave their country, settled among the Aborigines and jointly with them made war upon the Sicels. It is possible that the Aborigines received them partly in the hope of gaining their assistance, but I believe it was chiefly on account of their kinship; 2 for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus.
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Post by leandros nikon on Apr 30, 2008 4:27:55 GMT -5
soon more to follow...
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Post by leandros nikon on Apr 30, 2008 4:47:07 GMT -5
penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/5B*.htmlThis webpage reproduces a section of The Geography of Strabo published in Vol. II of the Loeb Classical Library edition, 1923 Strabo Geography p333 Book V Chapter 2 4 As for the Pelasgi, almost all agree, in the first place, that some ancient tribe of that name spread throughout the whole of Greece, and particularly among the Aeolians of Thessaly. 221Again, Ephorus says that he is of the opinion that, since they were originally Arcadians, they chose a military life, and that, in converting many peoples to the same mode of life, they imparted their name to all, and thus acquired great glory, not only among the Greeks, but also among all other people whithersoever they had chanced86 to come. For example, they prove to have been colonisers of Crete, as Homer says; at any rate, Odysseus says to Penelope: "But one tongue with others is mixed; there87 dwell Achaeans, there Cretans of the old stock, proud of heart, there Cydonians, and Dorians too, of waving plumes, and goodly Pelasgians." And Thessaly is called "the Pelasgian Argos" (I mean that part of it which lies between the outlets of the Peneius River and Thermopylae as far as the mountainous country of Pindus), on account of the fact that the Pelasgi extended their rule over these regions. Further, the Dodonaean Zeus is by the poet himself named "Pelasgian": "O Lord Zeus, Dodonaean, Pelasgian." And many have called also the tribes of Epirus p345"Pelasgian," because in their opinion the Pelasgi extended their rule even as far as that. And, further, because many of the heroes were called "Pelasgi" by name, the people of later times have, from those heroes, applied the name to many of the tribes; for example, they have called the island of Lesbos "Pelasgia," and Homer has called "Pelasgi" the people that were neighbours to those Cilicians who lived in the Troad: "And Hippothous led the tribes of spear-fighting Pelasgi, those Pelasgi who inhabited deep-soiled Larissa." But Ephorus' authority for the statement that this race originated in Arcadia was Hesiod; for Hesiod says: "And sons were born of god-like Lycaon, who, on a time, was begotten by Pelasgus." Again, Aeschylus, in his Suppliants,89 or else his Danaan Women,90 says that the race of the Pelasgi originated in that Argos which is round about Mycenae.91 And the Peloponnesus too, according to Ephorus, was called "Pelasgia."92 And Euripides too, in his Archelaus,93 says: "Danaus, the father of fifty daughters, on coming into Argos, took up his abode in the city of Inachus,and throughout Greece he laid down a law that all people hitherto named Pelasgians were to be called Danaans." And again, Anticleides says that they were the first to settle the regions round about Lemnos and Imbros, and indeed that some of these sailed away to Italy with Tyrrhenus the son of Atys. And the compilers of the histories of The Land of Atthis give accounts of the Pelasgi, believing that the Pelasgi were in fact at Athens too, although the Pelasgi were by the Attic people called "Pelargi," the compilers add, because they were wanderers and, like birds, resorted to those places whither chance led them.
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 30, 2008 7:07:34 GMT -5
There are 2 reasons some Albanians claim the Pelasgians..
1- to piss us off 2-because they can.
The possibility is so remote is as if I try to claim Ameridian heritage.
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Post by slowdent on Apr 30, 2008 8:15:45 GMT -5
Kanaris
you cannot, ALbanians can
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Post by atlantis on Apr 30, 2008 9:27:53 GMT -5
Without pelasgian-albanians culture greeks,romans and otomans will be in trees till today,
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Post by rex362 on Apr 30, 2008 10:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 30, 2008 20:51:13 GMT -5
Without pelasgian-albanians culture greeks,romans and otomans will be in trees till today, What happened to the Illyrian connection and the Chinese connection and it's great wall ? Albanians built that great wall... What about the South American connections. What about the cavemen ? And the Albanians being the decedents of the great dinosaurs ? On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
They were added during the communist era and thats why they are unacceptable by historians.
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.Communism messed you guy’s up.
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Post by atlantis on Apr 30, 2008 21:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 30, 2008 22:11:43 GMT -5
We are done with that ....and is not from comunism era.....you know now...
I do know that, the question is do you ? Communism is long gone so time to wake up and realise history isn't in your favour what's so ever. Albanians have the most loaned words in the entire region of the Balkans = meaning new comers. Say 14th century... Hellenism is the only way I am afraid, and you know it sadly you'll never be a Greek You, you wanna be Greek
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 30, 2008 22:17:29 GMT -5
When I come back full time, and do hope your still around. I'll proove to you how Georgios Kastriotis Hellenism is so evident...... His letters are proof of his Hellenism. We do not claim him, he does. The proof is in the pudding.
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 30, 2008 22:22:04 GMT -5
Opa!!! Viva los Arxileas! ;D
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 30, 2008 23:42:14 GMT -5
Without pelasgian-albanians culture greeks,romans and otomans will be in trees till today, What happened to the Illyrian connection and the Chinese connection and it's great wall ? Albanians built that great wall... What about the South American connections. What about the cavemen ? And the Albanians being the decedents of the great dinosaurs ? On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
They were added during the communist era and thats why they are unacceptable by historians.
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.Communism messed you guy’s up. Wrong, communism in albania didn't exist in the year 1606 Frang Bardhi born 1606 - 1643 King Bardhylli = Illyrian king bardh = white yll = star OWNED ....Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. ... - A letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto DOUBLE OWNED
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Post by Arxileas on May 1, 2008 0:23:40 GMT -5
Wrong, communism in albania didn't exist in the year 1606
Frang Bardhi born 1606 - 1643
King Bardhylli = Illyrian king bardh = white yll = star
OWNED Actually I was referring to the 1970's, that's when Enver Hoxia cioned the "word" Pelasgians in his propagandas. Communism didn't come in to the world till 1800's by Karl Marx. Off course it didn't exist in Albania "it didn't exist at all to the whole world till 1800's, so how can it in 1606 in Albania ? hi hi hi hi ;D Did Albania exist then NO " Educate your self. You were killing us and the Arvanites, helping the Ottomans. Where is the whole letter ? That is only 10 % of it, hiding some thing Your pretty much pawned your self ;D Be pateint, "I'll be back on a more active basis" on June .
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 1, 2008 4:49:36 GMT -5
lol, those modern greeks can't argue connection with Ancient Greece and they try about pelasgians HA HA HA
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 1, 2008 4:55:00 GMT -5
When I come back full time, and do hope your still around. I'll proove to you how Georgios Kastriotis Hellenism is so evident...... His letters are proof of his Hellenism. We do not claim him, he does. The proof is in the pudding. big suprise since when greeks exited in XV Century? haha ;D
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 1, 2008 5:20:02 GMT -5
Albanians claim that the pelasgians are their anchestors...Just bcz they want to believe that they are the most ancient people in the balkans..Despite the albanian obsession concerning the pelasgian issue...There are several sources which prove a serious greek-pelasgian connection.penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dionysius_of_Halicarnassus/1B*.htmlDionysius of Halicarnassus Roman Antiquities p29 (Book I, continued) 17 Afterwards some of the Pelasgians who inhabited Thessaly, as it is now called, being obliged to leave their country, settled among the Aborigines and jointly with them made war upon the Sicels. It is possible that the Aborigines received them partly in the hope of gaining their assistance, but I believe it was chiefly on account of their kinship; 2 for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus. Bravo great evidence about connection Pelasgian-Albanian because Peloponnesus were Albanians (there are documents in XIII-XIV century about Albanians majority in Peloponnesus) read: www2.let.uu.nl/Solis/anpt/ejos/pdf2/W06.PDFthanks leandros about article
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Post by slowdent on May 1, 2008 5:22:19 GMT -5
prijes things are more clear for Greeks. look at you. coming all the way from south america trying to steal an identity. evean your avatar proves it. look at the similarities with this flag: it is the flag of peru. your roots are so strong. they are calling you
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Post by Kanaris on May 1, 2008 5:27:53 GMT -5
Holy chit Slowdent...... thats amazing..... stuff....
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 1, 2008 5:28:48 GMT -5
Also coon proved about racial similarity among Peloponnesus and Albanians: Into the peninsula of Greece itself, many thousands of Slavs wandered as immigrants during the maximum South Slavic expansion; the Turks brought colonists, including many Albanians, and whole districts of Boeotia and Attica and of other parts of Greece are today Albanian speakingOne special group, the Sphakiots, living near the western end of the south side of the island, differ from the other Cretans in a number of characters; they are very tall, with a mean stature of 175 cm., and meso- to sub-brachycephalic, with a mean cephalic index of 81.6. They have especially large heads, with a mean length of 191 mm. and breadth ci 155 mm.; their faces are longer than the others, and equally broad or broader. Morphologically Dinaric types are common among them; they may be compared with Montenegrins and the northernmost Ghegs.dienekes.110mb.com/texts/coongreeks/ thanks leandros
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