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Post by radovic on Nov 21, 2007 13:37:29 GMT -5
There will be consequences for Greece if it vetoes Macedonia’s NATO accession: President Crvenkovski November 20, 2007 MK Skopje. If Greece vetoes Macedonia’s NATO accession, it will abuse a bilateral issue, will breach the temporary agreement and there will be consequences for the country, Macedonia’s President Branko Crvenkovski said at a forum, which discussed Macedonia’s NATO and EU memberships, the Macedonian TV channel A1 informed. The only effective reply to the pressure is to reduce the room for Greece to maneuver by meeting the criteria for NATO membership, the President added. Source: Focus News Agency
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 21, 2007 18:45:34 GMT -5
Sure there will be consquences - lol
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Post by MiG on Nov 21, 2007 23:55:08 GMT -5
^ If they don't let Macedonia into NATO, just because of a name issue, than thats just a little too extreme.
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Post by radovic on Nov 22, 2007 10:08:44 GMT -5
^ If they don't let Macedonia into NATO, just because of a name issue, than thats just a little too extreme. Who cares. a nation created only after 1945 claiming descent from the ancient Macedons they have no connection too. And an entire nation believing and continuing to believe such idiotic historical revisionism. It's not extreme. It's reasonable.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 22, 2007 14:14:42 GMT -5
Todays slavophone Macedonia (situated in ancient Hellenistic Peonia and southern Dardania) in no way, shape or form equals to old (Philip's or Alexander's) Hellenistic Macedonia which was situated in todays Greek province of Macedonia.
This slavophones Macedonia was created by Tito and thus is a brand new identity (Serbian scientist Cvijic from around 100 years ago states that these slavophones were a mass of people who identified themselves as simply Slavs).
The name should be New Macedonia as they are calling themselves as Macedonians but they are indeed new and separate from original ones.
Term New Macedonia should solve this issue in my opinion.
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Post by MiG on Nov 22, 2007 18:48:21 GMT -5
Titoist Rep. of Macedonia Rep. of New Macedonia Rep. of Neo-Macedonia Rep. of Vardarska Rep. of Vardarska Macedonia Vardar Rep. of Macedonia Rep. of Makeslavia Rep. of Vardarslavia Slavic Rep. of Macedonia Rep. of Skopija Rep. of Centroslavia Central Yugoslav Rep. Rep. of Slavija Former Yugoslav Rep. of Macedonia
... That's all I have right now haha.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 22, 2007 19:47:46 GMT -5
I my opinion only New Macedonia might be a name that R.M. might accept as it is most logical choice, small addition of the word New that denotes separation from old Macedonia (which at that point can also be called simply Macedonia without anyone confusing it for New Macedonia). Again, it has a chance of being accepted by the government in Skopje which is not the case with other names such as; Titoist Rep. of Macedonia, Rep. of Vardarska Macedonia, Rep. of Makeslavia, Rep. of Vardarslavia, Slavic Rep. of Macedonia, Rep. of Skopija, Rep. of Centroslavia, Former Yugoslav Rep. of Macedonia which are also too long to be pronounced and thus not catchy and therefore will not stand the test of time.
There is really several logical choices here (as I believe that the name of a Balkan country has to have a simple and memorable name and not a long technical one this masses will not absorb) such as
1-Peonia or New Peonia 2-New Macedonia or Neo Macedonia 3-Skopia (slavic: Skopija)
but only option 2 (New Macedonia) seems to have a chance as being accepted by both Athens and Skopje and that is why I keep insisting on that one. there are distant chances of 3 being accepted and perhaps number one but number 2 is most probable as a compromise to be accepted by all.
ps: name should be based on a name of a region (modern or ancient name) with or without the word "New" in front of such name. Other sources for the name could be biggest city, river, mountain etc. Vardar does not sound attractive nor easily pronounced, neither does any other city name outside of Skopje or rather Skopia/Scopia (named after ancient city of Skopi thus with ancient roots). Again, New Macedonia sounds easiest to digest for everyone. Still Peonia/New Peonia and Skopia are there as options.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 23, 2007 23:57:22 GMT -5
I think the name Skopia would be the best solution.
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Post by radovic on Nov 24, 2007 17:53:34 GMT -5
If they want to use the name Macedonia then they should call themselves Titoist Republc of Macedonia. Persoanlly I'd prefer titostan.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 10, 2008 6:48:06 GMT -5
MiG "If they don't let Macedonia into NATO, just because of a name issue, than thats just a little too extreme. " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ When France didnt allow England to use "Great Britain" in international forums (due to the fact that citizens of Britagne in France were insulted) and England was forced to changed it to United Kingdom....... was too extreme too..... or it is extreme because Greece is smaller than France?
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 10, 2008 6:49:41 GMT -5
Republic of Vardarska is the only descent name for them...since they dont want to stick to their Bulgarian ID. Since they are ready to follow Titos ideas and denounce their Bulgarian origins... at least.. they should have the name they had in the past.
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Post by Kibitzer on Jan 10, 2008 12:51:09 GMT -5
Crvenkovski is damn right.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jan 11, 2008 22:20:45 GMT -5
3-Skopia (slavic: Skopija) Slavic: Skopje ili Skoplje.
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Post by Sotirios on Jan 17, 2008 23:26:12 GMT -5
Greece is under tremendous pressure to accept "Macedonia" somewhere into the new name for FYROM.
The new name will be North Macedonia
A partial victory for Greece as it implies a greater Macedonia (the real one) to the South. But also a partial, but lesser, victory for the Western Bulgarians who adopted the Macedonian name 60 years ago.
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Post by areianos on Jan 18, 2008 2:50:58 GMT -5
^ If they don't let Macedonia into NATO, just because of a name issue, than thats just a little too extreme. Not is isn't they have claims on Greek soil - no extremities here from Greece's part - they are just a bunch of zombies that make claims they have no right to.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 18, 2008 5:32:11 GMT -5
Greece is under tremendous pressure to accept "Macedonia" somewhere into the new name for FYROM. The new name will be North MacedoniaA partial victory for Greece as it implies a greater Macedonia (the real one) to the South. But also a partial, but lesser, victory for the Western Bulgarians who adopted the Macedonian name 60 years ago. If they allow only the Greek flag, Greek language and Greek way of life in there, most Greeks may accept it. Me thinks Serbs should get half at least my IMO.
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Post by kasso on Jan 19, 2008 14:33:39 GMT -5
Slavic Republic of Macedonia?
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Post by Kibitzer on Jan 19, 2008 18:14:14 GMT -5
"Free Macedonia" will be a fine name.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 23, 2008 9:00:55 GMT -5
The French did allow England to enter the United Nations with the name "Great Britain". They forced them to change it to United Kingdom due to the fact that Britagnia is a French region. It does not sound "extreme" to me if Greece is do the same..
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Post by depletedreasons on Jan 23, 2008 14:40:37 GMT -5
You are not French, and Macedonians are not English.
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