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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 15, 2009 17:28:41 GMT -5
What does she look like? I know she has to be pred. alpine. But what do you consider her to look like? Slavic? Albanian? Greek? Your opinions...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 16, 2009 3:50:50 GMT -5
Thats no Alb look. She is pretty Slavic looking though.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 16, 2009 5:45:29 GMT -5
Indeed. She is not from Kastoria...and also not from Preveza...but from Asia Minor. She is my grandfather's sister.
She is perhaps a proof for deported slavs to Bithynia in Asia Minor during Byzantine times...in order to hellenize them. Because thats where my gramp's family was from.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 16, 2009 22:38:47 GMT -5
To go all the way back to the 8th century... is a bit of a stretch I think. Bithynia is a region that looks towards the Euxine sea and has been strongly influenced by the people on the northern end of it. Plus, add in Georgian and Armenian influence to the area.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 17, 2009 7:07:27 GMT -5
Yes I know but Im talking about that particular appearance...the eyes...her nose...her face...she looks somewhat Russian in that photo in my opinion...except for the curly hair perhaps. Armenians and Georgians dont look like that.
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Post by monsterofsouli on Jun 30, 2009 23:55:35 GMT -5
^^^ I have an uncle from somewhere up near you. He is very red skinned, blue eyes and brown hair. Most Greeks look at him and would not recognize him as a Greek. People call him vlacho.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 1, 2009 6:39:19 GMT -5
Red haired Asia Minor Greeks are not that rare either. But as far as I know I dont have any Vlach descent.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 10, 2009 22:48:49 GMT -5
What about this guy? My uncle, father's side:
and her: (half Italian)
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 11, 2009 17:28:36 GMT -5
Your uncle is some sort of alpine...the woman looks in the first pic to be more on the balkanoid side..means dinaric...looks yugoslav there...in the second a little more round faced...and although someone could say because of that alpine...I consider this kind of women to be clearly dinaric...because the body of such women is always lean....my mother has this style...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 12, 2009 21:07:40 GMT -5
1. The Alpine definitely does not look Greek though. He seems very different from typical Greek alpines (although I consider my father to look different from the typical Greek alpines Ive run across as well).
2. She is def dinaric (from Vlora), but I would imagine that being part Italian would affect her, but italians themselves seem to be pretty dinaric...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 13, 2009 3:49:42 GMT -5
Your uncle doesnt look med. he is some pure alpine form, while your father looks Greek if I remember him right. Not to talk about your mothers mother....Im jealous because I dont have that Greek looking people in my family.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 13, 2009 15:11:15 GMT -5
photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs180.snc1/6774_120118536150_503146150_3503962_2918436_n.jpgHim... Now that I have my scanner working, Ill try and get some fotos of my mother's side. I have one pic of my great-grandmother, Afrodhiti, with some family members, but I dont have the best pics, they are with another side of my family that my side doesnt really communicate with anymore. They live in Athens so, unfortunately, those pics are gone. Thankfully, from the pic I have seen, Afrodhiti looks dinaric... she is pretty tall and thin. Kind of similar to the woman in the above pic. Her husband, Spiro, looks 100% Greco-Alpine. Small, bald... I dunno what she was thinking.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 13, 2009 15:40:43 GMT -5
Your father looks Greek. Such types can be seen all over Greece but if Im not mistaken more often among Northern Greeks (Epirotes and Macedonians)...without wanting to say he is less Greek looking due to this...its still totally Greek look.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 13, 2009 17:45:18 GMT -5
Another pic the same woman...when young...the man is her brother...my grandfather..
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 14, 2009 1:37:46 GMT -5
Definitely something Slavic. Look at the chin on the man.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 14, 2009 3:01:10 GMT -5
I really wonder how this can happen with Asia Minor Greeks...while I must say my grandfather "turned" later on more into the Greek looking alpine side...bald...overweight....diabetes... ;D
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Post by tsompanos on Jul 14, 2009 14:02:50 GMT -5
^^ there have been plenty of slavic movements in asia minor during byzantine times there is even today some cappadocian greeks that speak a language close related to bulgarian they are called trakatroukides , and well im half pontian myself but pontians are very bastardized with caucasus and russia also some pontians look very tartar
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 14, 2009 15:56:16 GMT -5
I really wonder how this can happen with Asia Minor Greeks...while I must say my grandfather "turned" later on more into the Greek looking alpine side...bald...overweight....diabetes... ;D Diabetes, my Greek neighbor has it. Typical Alpine-Greek look. From Kephalonia. And my uncle up above has it as well..
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 14, 2009 17:02:46 GMT -5
^^ there have been plenty of slavic movements in asia minor during byzantine times there is even today some cappadocian greeks that speak a language close related to bulgarian they are called trakatroukides , and well im half pontian myself but pontians are very bastardized with caucasus and russia also some pontians look very tartar My gramp was not from kapadokia but a village between Bithynia and Mysia...and as I have already written..its well documented...that during the Byzantine rule....many Slavs who came to Macedonia were deported to Bithynia in order to hellenize them easier in a totally Greek environment. Its very much possible that my gramp has some ancestors that were such slavs...just judging from the appearance now. Later on he developed to this person here.. His younger brother though who is still alive...does also as older man look slavic in my opinion.... as for the language...they spoke only Greek...traditionally...and they were fanatic orthodox Greeks. Has to be an alpine thing...not good. In past I prefered the alpine type...but now...clearly the dinaric one...its just better...and healthier especially...to be at least like a dinaric.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 14, 2009 20:29:18 GMT -5
Not to mention how easy it is to gain weight and not be able to lose it. If Im not careful, Im gonna become bloated as hell when I get older.
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