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Post by Kassandros on Jul 22, 2009 15:27:52 GMT -5
Although there is nothing personal... and I almost never delete posts.... and on the contrary I tend to like that guy... his new idea to put as emblem on every one of his posts the Macedonian Sun inside the red Flag (a sumbol FYROMIANS tried to make their flag but UN denied that lie) is quite provocative for any Macedonian. Macedonian Sun must be in a blue flag. That is the will of Macedonian people and what he is doing is pure provocations.
Unfortunately I'll have to delete every single one of his posts in the Greek forums by tommorow unless he changes that provocation tune.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 22, 2009 15:30:37 GMT -5
I have deleted today about 15 posts of him for the same reason. Unfortunately its not possible to delete only someones signature in these forums. In the old ones it was.
But I have anyway the impression that he posts just because of the flag...his posts are usually without any serious content.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 22, 2009 15:39:58 GMT -5
Lets wait because for a day. In the beggining I thought it was a new kid on the bloq and I deleted 3-4 posts without even reading the post.. Now that I understood it is him.. lets wait for 1 day.
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Post by leshte on Jul 22, 2009 16:24:02 GMT -5
Cmon guys chill. You have all these vorio epirus flags here and that's fine while a lil macedonian flag has you so disturbed? Don't be party poopers now. If some of you guys like provoking and allowing people among you to have provocative flags then you should have no problem if others provoke you. Oooops, I forgot this is the Greek forum, hence double standards are the norm here.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 22, 2009 16:36:05 GMT -5
When the EU accepts them with that flag them maybe will let it slide..but since the flag is illegal... it will be deleted.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 22, 2009 16:54:15 GMT -5
Cmon guys chill. You have all these vorio epirus flags here and that's fine while a lil macedonian flag has you so disturbed? Don't be party poopers now. If some of you guys like provoking and allowing people among you to have provocative flags then you should have no problem if others provoke you. Oooops, I forgot this is the Greek forum, hence double standards are the norm here. No one has a Northern Epirus flag as signature...but even if...Northern Epirus flags are clearly a Greek invention while the Vergina sun is not and at that it has never been a symbol of slav peoples. Its a Macedonian symbol, therefore a Greek symbol and may only be used by Macedonians, thus Greeks. Of course its a fussy behaviour but the name issue is too prevailing at the moment.
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Post by leshte on Jul 22, 2009 17:38:39 GMT -5
He's not even a slav. I mean wtf.
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 22, 2009 19:32:00 GMT -5
These Ex-Yugoslavs as they were calling them self's back in early 1990's they didn't know what the star of Vergina "Macedonian symbol" was untill after the Thessaloniki protest by the Greeks.
Check this out, protest for human rights in Greece Toronto1990.
Notice what is missing ?
The star of Vergina as it's known "the Macedonian symbol" is a copy right and trade mark of the Hellenic Republic, this symbol was also used by other Hellenic tribes in ancient times from Macedonians to the Athenians etc.
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 22, 2009 19:39:59 GMT -5
One from an Attic vase... The pic closer..
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 23, 2009 3:44:55 GMT -5
Cmon guys chill. You have all these vorio epirus flags here and that's fine while a lil macedonian flag has you so disturbed? Don't be party poopers now. If some of you guys like provoking and allowing people among you to have provocative flags then you should have no problem if others provoke you. Oooops, I forgot this is the Greek forum, hence double standards are the norm here. spot on! if you will allow a cvnt like karta defile the glorious albanian heritage of epirus with greek colors that you can turn a blind eye to the mac flag.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 23, 2009 3:54:20 GMT -5
Yes but Northern Epirus has been Greek speaking since ancient times...this element is older than the albanian one...without wanting to support Karta's nationalism...in the end the two cases (Northern Epirus and Skopje) are not comparable.
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Post by telemaque on Jul 23, 2009 3:56:20 GMT -5
fine because Alexander The Great Was Albanian anyways... 1000000 Albanians in Greece, Albanian language is more linked than modern Greek to the ancient Greek half of Greeks are "albanian blood inside"
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 23, 2009 4:22:04 GMT -5
Yes but Northern Epirus has been Greek speaking since ancient times...this element is older than the albanian one...without wanting to support Karta's nationalism...in the end the two cases (Northern Epirus and Skopje) are not comparable. the first bible was written in greek, what does that mean? there were greek colonies all over illyricum, greek speaking? i dunno, epirus was an area where different tribes lived alongside each other, the greek influence is undisputed but then again greek(ancient) influence reached far and wide, what we know of course is that epirus and arberia from early texts were always interchangable, i.e. epirus was always albanian dominated...now i don't know if at some point during the dark ages the albanian tribes overwhelmed the greek population to outnumber them but epirus to all intents and purposes was regarded as being populated by albanian tribes, Scanderbeg was regarded as the ruler of epirus, this is what we know, the rest i'll leave to karta to fantasise.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 23, 2009 4:29:54 GMT -5
Dont make this bible comparison...its far fetched...I agree that Epirus was mixed...Greeks, Illyrians...but the element which remains is independenly from the genetic background of its speakers Greek...and this element is very old...continuously present...and can be traced back to the ancient times...well reported by ancient Greek inscriptions.
On the other hand where is the continuity between the Skopjans and the ancient Macedonians...their language...their lettering...their geographic position to 95%...their history...and origins...are anything but Macedonian.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 23, 2009 5:03:07 GMT -5
nah not really interested in the bulgar macs claim to be honest in a historical context, tey have no historical legacy therefore can not stake claim to ancient macs, they just do it to piss you off, the more incensed you get the harder they laugh really, just because they say so it doesn't make them ancients macs.
by you logic, albs have as much right to claim albanian legacy in greece today, what with millions of arvanites and the involvement of the albanian element in the greek war for independence, souliotes and a whole batch of other contributions to today's present day greece, which greeks vehemently deny,
like i said, the hellenic influence in epirus and throughout the penninsula is undeniable, but influence and culture are the basis for greek legacy, i.e. no matter the race if you fell under the greek sphere of influence you were pretty much labelled as a greek but albs on the other hand preserved their identity in the epirus, that can only be achieved through sheer majority of numbers and a strong distinct identity.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 23, 2009 6:00:20 GMT -5
So you claim that albanians are pure...from...pelasgian times till today... When you say " strong distinct identity" you speak about the same Albanians' we know...? ;D
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 23, 2009 6:15:00 GMT -5
purity is a very utopical word, no one is pure, especially when it comes to epirus, i am saying for albs to emerge as the dominant element there must have been more of them, you dig?
'strong distinct identity'....we are different in the following, language, appearance, culture, behaviour and folklore, although there are various aspects which overlap with other cultures, we are by enlarge distinct to greeks and slavs alike,
now for our legacy to survive during the ages, we must have had a deeply rooted strong identity, imagine living along side mamoth civlisations like greeks and romans and still being around and speaking a distinct language, i'm just saying if you put it in that context then its a big achievement, today we'd be talking about the ancient lost illyrian legacy of the balcans, even though some of you claim it is so.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 23, 2009 6:34:46 GMT -5
If you are distinct from Greeks so Greeks are distinct from you, aren't we? I though half of us were albos... Greeks are distinct from all the other people around, but we base our opinions in texts, archeology, glossology etc etc....not in some hypothesis... All the other elements that migrated among Greeks was a small percentage, and due to the numeral and cultural superiority they were assimilated, leaving much less elements in the language, for example, than Slavs left to the albanian language, that at least 1/2 of its vocabulary is loanwords from various languages... About Epirus, none can't deny the greek character from ancient times till today in the area down of Acrokeraunia and Aoos river...in the 13th and 14th century things have changed a bit in the north of this area..from Aoos(Vjosa) to Deavolis rivers where an amagalm of races lived together in very slavic influenced area, with hundreds of slavic toponyms... Greek-byzantine influence was strong in all over Balkans, that didn't mean that there were any hellenisations in areas where the greek element wasn't strong. Can you analyse what was the identity of the albanian speaking people under ottoman yoke...?...when the majority were osman tsoglans that felt proud to fight for osman bayrak and some good placke....?
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 23, 2009 6:54:34 GMT -5
i never really know what you are trying to say or what your point is, what i see is the same old islamophobic sh1t recycled...what does our role in the ottoman empire have anything to do with our historical legacy in ancient times and epirus? you just want to call albanians turks, muslim mercenaries and thieves is that it? ok, off with it, vent out your ignorance so we can get back on the topic.
every major empire which has invaded the balcans has left in inprint on it, us and you are no different...look at you music, food, appearance bar religion and you are practically middle eastern.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 23, 2009 7:04:24 GMT -5
But..but...you got nothing before 1250...Mongolia is your friend..It's so easy to douse you guys with a heavy dose of reality.... You should rename yourselves 'the people from the bog'.. The people who's origins are enshrouded in mystery... Mystery my ass.... you got nothing.... you're as mysterious as an unmarked bag of chips.... now go back to smoking your argele....
If it wasn't for a few Greeks&Italians(arvanites&arberesh) that intermingled with you... you would have never been in the Balkans.
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