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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 4, 2009 17:09:50 GMT -5
Ok...go to Himara and say that you want a Himarioti husband...for you...they would be very tolerant with you...and gentle... LOL. I could go to Himara and say what I want, nobody will do anything. They are terrified of Albanians. 10 years ago their village was surrounded by Labs with Aks who wanted to shoot them. The police saved them. Ask them why they all ran from Albania in 97 instead of revolting?
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Post by bato2 on Aug 5, 2009 2:48:52 GMT -5
You think I can find a Himarioti husband ? |
For sure...but not in Himara, those who remain there are bit to old for you ;D Better go in Athens, you will find them all there
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Post by mendor on Aug 5, 2009 14:14:00 GMT -5
Patrinos has to learn Albanian before posting here
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 5, 2009 14:41:27 GMT -5
;D Haha, where did you get that signature...you had it 2-3 years before...if I'm not wrong...I thought you've put aside that kind of stuff... ... Apo tote pou ematha oti egines evaggelistis apogoiteutika...den sou arese i kolimpithra?
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Post by mendor on Aug 5, 2009 15:20:38 GMT -5
I got them from Greek archive Thomopoulos ,Dimitriu ... there are a lot like these ones but im tired of this b.sh ,you made me brink them again,thankey. Den katalaveno ti enois me tin kolimpithra
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 5, 2009 15:23:15 GMT -5
Den katalaveno ti enois me tin kolimpithra This ;D:
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 28, 2009 18:26:13 GMT -5
After talking about... paidhaqe... ...surfing on net i found one more reliable than me in albanian language...the albo Aristotel Spiro, i suppose Melty knows... in his book "Alvanike kai Neoellinike"-"Albanian and Modern-Greek"... sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotel_Spirowww.keda.uoa.gr/pdf/high/albaniki_neoelliniki.pdfWell, in page 12 Spiro says that according to the Albanian Lexicon by Albanian Academy(1984) in the albanian vocabulary there are about 2.600 words greek loanwords and its albanian derivatives, that is 7.5% of the whole vocabulary. Here are some according Aristotel: aero- aerodinamik aerodrom aeronautikë aeroplan aerostat afendiko . aforizëm afratë agnosticist agnosticizëm agoni agro- agrobiologji agrokimi agrokimik agromekanikë agronom agronomi agroteknik agroteknikë aguridh aht ajazmë ajazmë ajodhimë ajodhimë akacie akademi akademik akoma akrobaci akrobat aksiomatik aksiomë akustik akustikë albanolog albanologji albanologjik alegori alegorik alergji alfa alfabet alfabetik algë (alge) alkimi alkimist amalgamë amebë amfib amfiteatër amiant amnezi amnisti amorf anagram anakatosurë anakronik anakronizëm analfabet analfabetizëm analitik analizë analog anarki anarkik anatomi anatomik andart anekdotë anemi anemik anestezi angjinare angjinare angjinarja anhidrid anise anodë anofele anomali anonim anormal antagonist antagonizëm anti- ·Ú·Á. antibiotik anticiklon antidemokratik antihistorik antipati antipatik antitezë antologji antonim antropoid antropologji antropomorf antroponim antroponimi aortë apati apatik apo apogje 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horse fu(king), marmagka-merimange, mpaka-baka(the big belly,rare), mpampesis-babes, mpesa-besa, pipiza-pipëza, pliatsiko-plaçkë(pillage), sverkos-zverk, tsoupra-tšuprë(rare), fara-fara( the bad clique etc), fermeli-fermel(type of jilek in 19th c.), goritsia-goricë(rare, in some places), liapis-lab(the dirty, thief and hungry... .
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 28, 2009 18:30:54 GMT -5
Teli Spiro isnt Albanian. He is from a Greek minority zone, Finiq His wife is Albanian though... Im not sure. Either way, he is not Albanian. More like Albanianized. He teaches Albanian in some university in Greek Macedonia.
Most of the words there did not come from Greek influence, they are mostly German, English or Italian created words using in Greek compound constructions to identify modern medical or scientific finds.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 28, 2009 22:09:29 GMT -5
There was no Osmanli in Epirus, only Arnavuds. We didnt pay too much attention to what the Sultan wanted. Only when it came time to defend the land against kaurs (aka: the firman) did we listen to him... otherwise we minded our own business and the Sultan his.
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Post by insomniac on Sept 28, 2009 22:58:57 GMT -5
Those english words are what makes Albanian language ugly.
The beauty of Albanian language is with authentic words such as Dielli, Hena, Ylli, Zjarri, Uji, Toka, Dashuria
not zoologji, zodiak .... wtf are those
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 28, 2009 23:44:18 GMT -5
I have a Q for Patrinos. If you have such little respect for my people as to come into this forum and continually harass it with troll posts... why in the fuk do you constantly go around looking up texts regarding us and our language? Perhaps we would all be happier if each left the other alone...
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 29, 2009 4:21:22 GMT -5
I have a Q for Patrinos. If you have such little respect for my people as to come into this forum and continually harass it with troll posts... why in the fuk do you constantly go around looking up texts regarding us and our language? Perhaps we would all be happier if each left the other alone... To be honest i was just surfing in scribd and came up with some articles by Aristotel Spiro and googled him... PS.Its not bad to know stuff about your neighbors.
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Post by bektashiu on Sept 30, 2009 17:32:21 GMT -5
I have a Q for Patrinos. If you have such little respect for my people as to come into this forum and continually harass it with troll posts... why in the fuk do you constantly go around looking up texts regarding us and our language? Perhaps we would all be happier if each left the other alone... Well it's pretty obvious to me. I'm surprised you haven't figured it out yet.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 30, 2009 17:40:16 GMT -5
Ok...go to Himara and say that you want a Himarioti husband...for you...they would be very tolerant with you...and gentle... Tell me, what would happen to me, you who has been there millions of times. I have been to Himara, Qeparo and Dhermi numerous times in my life. In all the occassions, I have had a family member or two or three start making racist and hateful comments against both the locals and Greeks... and they continued serving us food and trying to get us to stay in their apartment for a night. Go to Dhermi and see in the peak of the hill overlooking the village, an Albanian flag was put up... it had been there for over a year and nobody had touched it. Or go around as see Albanians scribble on the wall "Gamo Ellada" or "Greek terrorists" or "Fuk Greece"... Please, Himariots hide their tale between their legs when Albanians show up... they run for Greece everytime an AK is shot off by a Lab. On the otherhand, when an Albanian hears an AK, he feels at home.
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Post by donnie on Sept 30, 2009 18:27:18 GMT -5
Himariots are super-heroes to Greeks ... they still remember the 1820s. Without Arvanites and pseudo-Greek Himariots and Suliots they wouldn't stand a chance against the Turks.
Patrinos, I too was in Himare last summer. We weren't bothered at all by the locals, even though we quite openly shunned the use of Greek by locals ... we got stares, but that was all ... no Himariot warrior came to kill us despite our heavy Kosovar accent and rudeness. They politely served our souvlaki and that was it.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 30, 2009 18:56:28 GMT -5
200 years ago people of Corfu called Himariots "arvanites"... no doubt then they had some substance to them. Being linked with Albanians of Kakome, Nivice or having the links to Kurvelesh or other Lab areas gave them some balls. Today, however, they are Greeks to the extreme. Terrified of anything Alb. Hence why they have fled to Greece. When Albs look over from Palase, they get ready to swim across the Ionian to Corfu...
Greeks of Albania have a servile mentality, like the blacks of the US south. They know that 200-100 years ago Albanians could come to their village, fuk their daughters and they would have little to say besides "Im sorry she bled".
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 1, 2009 6:16:45 GMT -5
Himariots are super-heroes to Greeks ... they still remember the 1820s. Without Arvanites and pseudo-Greek Himariots and Suliots they wouldn't stand a chance against the Turks. Arvanites ,and Suliotes included, gave what they had to give, not more not less...or maybe much less than Maniates, for example, who dispite their small number were everywhere... Arvanitophanariotic "alliance" was almost a irrevocable disaster for the Revolution...thank God that Moraites acted well... But thats not our subject... Himariotes... if they didn't have that something whats all the obsession you have with them...with Bollano,Dhima etc etc...? As Greeks of course they are hospitable to any guest.... 8-)When I say that people don't change...and a tourkalvanos would be tourkalvanos for ever....i don't lie... Was you Nartiotissa granny a victim? PS.Melty come and gather my olivetrees this November...50€ per day...they're near Olympia...you can visit the place after you finish your job...
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Post by donnie on Oct 1, 2009 6:55:01 GMT -5
The obsession has perhaps not as much to do with them as it has to do with the incompetence of our politicians and their evident lack of balls to act swiftly with the likes of Bollano ... while Dhima is of no importance really, Bollano is a public figure and the active undermining of Albania's territorial sovereignty should be looked at far more seriously than has previously been done.
Why does it always appear to me that Greeks have this urge to downplay the importance of the Arvanites' role in the revolution while at the same time praising the Maniates to the skies? Is it some subconscious urge to deny any possible Albanian contribution to the revolution, since inevitable back in the head of many there exists an equation which says Arvanites = Albanians?
What exactly did the Maniates do to outshine the Arvanites & Suliots? And what's this supposed alliance between the Phanariotes and Arvanites ... this seems like a contradiction to the general rhetorics of the likes of Aristidh Kola who see Phanar and most things related to Asia Minor & Constantinople in a negative light ...
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Post by Duke John on Oct 1, 2009 6:57:31 GMT -5
Why this guy Patrinos often uses the words Osmanli,Synet,Muhamed? Patrinos do you really think that you are mocking us here with these words? lol on contrary moust of us whos mentality is not twisted because of foreign influences have nothing against our past of being part of Osmanli Imparatorlugu just like before that being part of chitty Roman empire, during the Osmanli empire turkish was a official language and also in greece people knew how to speak turkish, you were also part of Osmanli as much as Albanians were, faculty.unlv.edu/gbrown/Hist103/Ottoman_Empire_1481-1683_map.jpgThey came with this music from east and concuered your high-ranking super duper advanced nation hahaha...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 1, 2009 8:44:15 GMT -5
Why does it always appear to me that Greeks have this urge to downplay the importance of the Arvanites' role in the revolution while at the same time praising the Maniates to the skies? Is it some subconscious urge to deny any possible Albanian contribution to the revolution, since inevitable back in the head of many there exists an equation which says Arvanites = Albanians? What exactly did the Maniates do to outshine the Arvanites & Suliots? And what's this supposed alliance between the Phanariotes and Arvanites ... this seems like a contradiction to the general rhetorics of the likes of Aristidh Kola who see Phanar and most things related to Asia Minor & Constantinople in a negative light ... Well, I suppose you are a guy that isn't satisfied with smattering... Kolias was a funny guy that brought a big crack in the Arvanitiki dignity, and he is very responsible for the gradual disappearance of arvanitika(the language). Arvanites feel ashamed for him, even his own village in Boeotia. Kolias' " archaiolatreia"(i dont know the word is english,its like obsession with antiquity) was the major factor of his oddness and christianity didn't fit in his pelasgodorikarvanitic theories...I suppose that was the reason he though "helladocentricly", and Constantinoupolis doesn't go with Zeus, Titans etc etc.... In few words. During the Revolution,Phanariotes understood that their good days in Phanari ended because Turks would't forgive them that they hadn't stopped the beginning of the revolution in Moreas and Roumeli. These guys(Mavrokordatos,Neghris,etc) thought that a free Greece would be the perfect place to continue their intriguant lives...and finally the only ones who worked as henchmen and financiers for Phanariotes were the Souliotes and the Ydrospetsiotes... Souliotes have already lost their home for about 20 years and they though that a guy like Mavrokordatos, with big relations with important personalities abroad and power inside, would guarantee them a new place to live...thats was the main reason why Souliotes always fought whenever Mavrokordatos wanted. Ydrospetsiotes' heads never wanted the Revolution. Only after the uprising of Oikonomou and his friend Gikas managed to persuade the kapetanious to let their ships to join the Struggle and give a big ammount of money. This of course was not forgiven and in the first second month of the Revolution Oikonomou was assasined after Voulgaris and Koundouriotis' will. These two families, mainly, were the funders of the Phanariotic clique and both gained...especially after the two big loans from England, which were used by Koudouriotis to build his seaside villas.... One of the most respectable memoir writers, and most objective Moraites, was Kolokotronis' adjutant and protopalikaro, Photis Chrysanthopoulos or Photakos, and here is a fragment of him memoirs: " These they told to the foreigners, who easily persuaded, and one by one by one came and attached to one and another, I mean to Mavrokordatos and Negris and others, but to Dimitrios Ypsilantis none came close because he was united with the element of the land, and because of this Negris,Karatzas and Mavrokordatos didn’t trust him. Unfortunately with the three latter all the race of Greek Arvanites allied , and first of all island Ydra that gave them morale and material strength. As much as someone wants to hymn its race heroism and patriotism, he will find them always to love the material benefits instead of iternal glory. By them started and happened all the misadventures of the civil wars and other troubles. Real Greels wanting to seem superior and tolerant for the good of the general cause, and for not to be accused for exclusiveness, wanted to accept, and accepted from all the parts representatives without having analogous real population. They neither paid taxes, nor did drudgeries, nor gave soldiers, nor weights suffered, nor any job did without paying them. All the weights and miseries of the struggle the locals(Grecophones) suffered. They(Grecophones) acted bravely, impassively and ingenuously, the other(Arvanites) guilefully, insidiously and wilily were thinking and acted so they managed to gain extra rights, strengthened , got the majority in the administration and pushed away the locals(Grecophones) of the political things. This spirit existed then, the same spirit and energy exists and today. For this among ,the Greek troops , disbelief is rising, and all the misfortunes in the Nation. So political intrigue finds much “food” here, and the national progress regress. Finally the representatives of the both sides started to gather, and the one part(phanararvanitiko) had as gatherpoint Kranidi and Kastri of Ermioni, the other under Ypsilantis and Kolokotronis had Nauplion…" Xrysanthopoulos Fotios-Fotakos-Apomnimoneumata peri tis Ellinikis Epanastaseos,v.4,p.70PS.And come to Achaia and ask anyone whay they know about the local Arvanites and their role in the Revolution, and also say one name :Nenekos.....
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