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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 7, 2009 8:51:59 GMT -5
åëëáò
Μόι ε μπούκουρα γκιτόνε , Mόι τσε νοικοκύρε γιέ
Its like Pontian ;D
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Post by leshte on Aug 7, 2009 10:59:19 GMT -5
Greeks don't even understand ancient Greek.
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Post by Kassandros on Aug 7, 2009 12:23:16 GMT -5
Greeks don't even understand ancient Greek. ..of course we undestand. Its like English and Shakespearian Engish. No chance to speak it... but you can get the point. For Cypriots and Pontians is easier.
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Post by Aris on Aug 7, 2009 14:33:59 GMT -5
åëëáò Μόι ε μπούκουρα γκιτόνε , Mόι τσε νοικοκύρε γιέIts like Pontian ;D Φολε με σ̈κρον̇α Αρbε̰ρορε , σε νȣκȣ ε κȣπτοjι αλφαbετι Ελιν !
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Post by luarasi on Aug 7, 2009 15:07:33 GMT -5
Arvanitika is a dialect mix of ancient greek latin & turkish words The First Arvanites come from Northern Epirus to Greece Thessaly in 13-Century. After the death of Georgios Kastriotis come more and more Arvanites to Greece. Arvanites were the same people like the other Greeks and become Orthodox christian. The fought together with the other Greek Brothers the Turks,Turkalbanians and in the Greek Revolution 1821 fought for the Independence of Greece. Interesting, I guess every Albanian could understand ancient greek, latin, and other nonsense since every Albanian can understand and communicate with the so called Arvanitika language. This reminds me of Sllavo-Macedonians claiming that their language is different from Bullgarian, besides Arvanitika is much closer to Albaninan than Sllavo-Macedonian to Bullgarian. I don't need references from historical books, I have spoken to Arvanites using Albanian and we perfectly understood each other, because its the same languge.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 7, 2009 15:39:31 GMT -5
åëëáò Πας μη Έλλην Βάρβαρος !!!
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Post by Aris on Aug 7, 2009 16:43:34 GMT -5
åëëáò Πας μη Έλλην Βάρβαρος !!! In Albanian this is called "propagandë" ! ;D
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 7, 2009 16:55:56 GMT -5
In Greece we called it Greek heritage / History In Northern Epirus the Greek kids play theatrical during the commemorative ceremony for the anniversary of the Greek Revolution of 25th March 1821.
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Post by Aris on Aug 7, 2009 17:25:24 GMT -5
In Greece we called it Greek heritage / History In Northern Epirus the Greek kids play theatrical during the commemorative ceremony for the anniversary of the Greek Revolution of 25th March 1821. What is 'Northern Epirus' ?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 7, 2009 17:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by Aris on Aug 8, 2009 9:34:00 GMT -5
Northern Epirus is not an it ? But a he ? __________ He is a kind of comic actor or what ? __________ It seems normal to have for surname "Epirus" , but for name "Northern" ?! Is very strange ! Or is just an art name ?
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 10, 2009 7:26:05 GMT -5
So Greeks are claiming to understand the Arvanitic language? You're beginning to sound like your "Vardaskans" Orthodox brothers up North.
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No such thing as a Macedonian ethnicity.
Sorry.
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 10, 2009 7:45:41 GMT -5
^ And you keep forgetting to mention that it was in fact these Albanian / Greek speakers of Orthodox faith that were fighting under the Souliote and Zervas against the Chams.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 10, 2009 9:23:11 GMT -5
Do not edit my post. Like these Slavs that feel Macedonian, these Arvanites feel Greek. Both are contradictions because both sets of people are genetically and linguistically different then that group in which they have claims for (Slavs for Macedonians and Arvanites for Greeks.)
If Slavs and Arvanites want to consider themselves Macedonian and Greek respectfully, then let them be -- facts say otherwise though. Greeks will support one bs theory (the Arvanites being Greek) and not the other (Slavs being Macedonians) when it suits their needs.
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Post by Kassandros on Aug 10, 2009 15:19:07 GMT -5
Do not edit my post. Like these Slavs that feel Macedonian, these Arvanites feel Greek. Both are contradictions because both sets of people are genetically and linguistically different then that group in which they have claims for (Slavs for Macedonians and Arvanites for Greeks.) If Slavs and Arvanites want to consider themselves Macedonian and Greek respectfully, then let them be -- facts say otherwise though. Greeks will support one bs theory (the Arvanites being Greek) and not the other (Slavs being Macedonians) when it suits their needs. Do you know what is the problem with your comparison Logic? Vardarskans are Slavs of Bulgarian nationality that want to become something that is of different stock. Prooved. Now the case of Arvanites (means people from central/southern Albania today) In order for them to belong to the same case with Vardarskans, we have to accept that: ..Albanians as a nation!... pay attention on this!.....existed since ever. We cannot do that since there was never before Ottoman Empire Albanian nation. There were mountainous tribes from disputed stocks! I bet half of today Albanians and especially the central/south ones are from Dorian stock... means Hellenic stock! Can you proove me clearly.. like in the case of Vardarskans.. that this is a lie? Dorians NEVER attacked other Dorians. Alexander conquered and slaughtered ALL other Greek kingdoms.. but they never touched Spartans, citizens of Olympia.. and these people living in central/south today's Albania. To conclude, if Arvanites feel Greeks.. they have every right generically to feel Greeks... since nobody can clearly deny their Dorian genes.. as we do with Vardarskans. So.. I dont thing your comparison is a Logic one...
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Post by leshte on Aug 11, 2009 13:57:31 GMT -5
Basil take some history lectures. nationalism is a fairly new concept. Its an 1800's concept. Half to late 1800's concept. The Greek nation did not exist prior to the Ottomans either. Neither did the Italian nation prior to the 1800's; the Germans didn't either. Nationaly or nation states such as Albania, Greece, Italy, Germany etc did not exist prior to that. That concept is a new concept. What we had were dozens of principalities, tribes, cities. There was no concept of Greek, Albanian Italian etc. back then. Get off that high horse of yours from time to time. It'll do you good to think with a clear mind.
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Post by Kassandros on Aug 12, 2009 17:51:48 GMT -5
Nationalism was always around Balkans in a different form. In Serres we always had the "dopia" (native) villages, the "Turk" (Greeks from Asia Minor and Pontus) villages, the "Bulgarian" (today's Fyromian) villages. Why villages where like that and not mixed ones... even in the years of Ottoman Empire?
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Post by donnie on Aug 12, 2009 17:57:26 GMT -5
I've seen some BS-fed Greeks making ridiculous claims, but I think you take the prize Basil. I got to applaud you, though it isn't a flattering achievement, it's still smth.
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 12, 2009 18:09:13 GMT -5
Thats sth Basil will never accept. He believes his ancestors were all living in his village since the times of Alexander the Great in order to keep their ethnically pure blood clean from outside influences. No single place in Europe worked like that just Basil's village did. Dont even try to change his mind...some people like to live in a dream world. Let them. All of us have 500 forefathers, Basil has only 50. (no offense basil )
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Post by leshte on Aug 12, 2009 20:34:07 GMT -5
LOL. Basil is a down to earth dude with some misconceptions.
Villages might have been indeed that. However the villagers say surrounding Athens did not have a concept that together with the villagers of Thesaloniki or the many many villagers in the place we today call Greece they formed the nation of Greece; prior to the 1800's. Their nation or their state was their village and their feudal was their leader. There was no concept of nation states. Take for example Italy. You had Milan, Venice, Naples, Florence,Siena etc etc. All of them were what we call today Italians. Yet prior to the 1800's they could not conceptualize that. Prior to that time they were Venicians, Napolitans etc etc.
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