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Post by Arxileas on Oct 19, 2007 0:51:55 GMT -5
Greece will not accept the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia's (FYROM) entry into NATO or the European Union so long as there is no mutually acceptable name for that country, Deputy Foreign Minister Theodoros Kassimis reiterated on Thursday, and this time in Parliament. Kassimis also added that EU funding to the neighbouring land-locked country was flowing at a slower pace than to the rest of the Balkan countries. However, he clarified, Greece does not want to stifle FYROM financially, "because it does not believe that economic degradation will create a better neighbour." Kassimis made the statement in reply to a tabled question by Popular Orthodox Rally (LA.OS) party rapporteur Constantine Aivaliotis, who cited the recent placement of a statue of Alexander the Great, no less, at Skopje airport, which was also recently renamed as 'Alexander the Great Airport' by FYROM authorities. Aivaliotis charged that the Skopje government was following a policy of provocation at all international fora, while also pointing to a"recital of nationalistic extremities in its school books ... its airport has been renamed as 'Alexander the Great Airport', and it has established a military medal called 'Alexander III, the Macedon'," the Greek deputy charged. "Don't we see that, with our stance, we are making them tougher and more provocative?" he questioned. Replying to the question, Kassimis said Greece's approval was not required for EU funding to FYROM, but was made on the basis of economic criteria. Regarding developments on the "name issue", Kassimis reminded that Greece has at all levels denounced Skopje's provocative stance, particularly after the provocation of the placement of the statue of Alexander, adding that EU High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy Javier Solana recently stated that Greece will have the EU's full solidarity on the name issue. "Greece will in no instance accept FYROM's entry, either to NATO or the European Union, so long as there is no mutually acceptable name for that country resulting from consent by two sides (Greece and FYROM)," Kassimis said. www.phantis.com/news/?newsID=20071018222210
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 19, 2007 5:46:22 GMT -5
We should get tougher with these phuckers.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Oct 19, 2007 11:10:54 GMT -5
I believe New Macedonia / Neo Macedonia is as far as what the compromise might go. Greece should adapt this position and stick at all times to it. Eventually it would catch on with others and Fyrom would have to accept it. It is logical as the word New denotes separation from the old (New York is never confused with York). Macedonia is a term that Fyrom will not give up either (even Fyrom has that term in it). Calling it Neo Macedonia is logical and also correct as that is exactly who they are. Also the new terms are catchy and thus easy to absorb. new terminology Neo Macedonia (NeoMacedonia)(Neomac) Neo Macedonian(NeoMacedonian)(Neomac) neo- pref. 1. New; recent: Neolithic. 2. a. New and different: neoimpressionism. b. New and abnormal www.thefreedictionary.com/neo-
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Post by kartadolofonos on Oct 19, 2007 19:56:34 GMT -5
Greece must put more pressure to this Fuc. Country
1. Stop Export Import from Thessalonica
2. Investment Stop
3. Closed all Greek Factories
4. Expelled all Skopian Immigrants
5. Veto to join the Nato and EU
6. Empargo again
7. Terminated the Relation between two Countries
8. Recalls Ambassador closed General Consulat and Embassy
9. Expell all Skopian Diplomats
10. Stop Greek Economic help
11. Waging war against FYROM name issue'
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Post by albquietman on Oct 19, 2007 22:08:27 GMT -5
It's just a name guys and they have the right to call themselves whatever they like to. As a matter of fact that was the place of the Alexander the Great, so why not call it Macedonia? Of course everybody knows that the macedonians today are not related to the ancient ones, but with all the mixture of the population since ancient times, can anyone claim to be real greek, albanian, macedonian or whatever? We are just living in those places, but we can't tell for sure if we are 100% related to the ancient people that used to live in our lands.
But we are sure for one thing, we are all Balkanians and we show that everywhere, fighting over stupid things like names and the same time claiming to be the cradle of democracy...but unfortunately we are decades behind the rest of Europe, and first of all mentally...did you ever heard about the word balkanization and the way is it used...we must be ashamed that we managed to create such a negative perception of our own race.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 20, 2007 20:14:18 GMT -5
Let's hope our Canadians Greeks do well on the 28th of this month.
We are going to a rally on November the 18th here in Melbourne, and tell them where to stick it.
Stealing your neighborers identity is very irrational and stupid thing to do.
They are free to speak and express their Bulgarian conscious without using the Greek name Macedonia.
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Post by tileiohmaleas on Oct 21, 2007 3:15:22 GMT -5
As a matter of fact that was the place of the Alexander the Great, so why not call it Macedonia? we are all Balkanians and we show that everywhere, fighting over stupid things like names and the same time claiming to be the cradle of democracy.. Firstly, the place wasnt where ATG was lcoated. Todays FYROM only includes 10% of the ancient Macedonia, where the rest lies in Greece. Sorry you said WE are claiming to be the cradle of democracy. Where in fact, WE are the cradle of democracy and you arent. Cheers
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 21, 2007 5:26:27 GMT -5
No they do not. Simply as that.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 21, 2007 17:05:33 GMT -5
childish !
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 21, 2007 17:48:34 GMT -5
childish or not...this country shall never experience a pleasant day as long as it claims the name Makedonia. Makedonia is Greek, only Greek, and it always will be. If the bulgarians are not able to accept that, they shall simply starve...personally i couldnt care less.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 22, 2007 0:19:47 GMT -5
Rex..how would you feel if across the street I open up a restaurant and name it like yours?
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Post by albquietman on Oct 22, 2007 15:46:49 GMT -5
Firstly, the place wasnt where ATG was lcoated. Todays FYROM only includes 10% of the ancient Macedonia, where the rest lies in Greece. Sorry you said WE are claiming to be the cradle of democracy. Where in fact, WE are the cradle of democracy and you arent. Cheers The Ancient Macedonia maps that I've seen, it didn't look to me like 90% of it was'nt where Modern Greece is, but anyway, if you like to think so, go ahead. I said "we" like a balkanian that I am, not to steel your history, so calm down. I would care less about your history and you guys when you start b.itching about it...try to get a life and stop sleeping with your ancient stones.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 22, 2007 20:47:54 GMT -5
"I believe New Macedonia / Neo Macedonia is as far as what the compromise might go. Greece should adapt this position and stick at all times to it. Eventually it would catch on with others and Fyrom would have to accept it.
It is logical as the word New denotes separation from the old (New York is never confused with York). Macedonia is a term that Fyrom will not give up either (even Fyrom has that term in it). Calling it Neo Macedonia is logical and also correct as that is exactly who they are.
Also the new terms are catchy and thus easy to absorb.
new terminology
Neo Macedonia (NeoMacedonia)(Neomac) Neo Macedonian(NeoMacedonian)(Neomac)"
Its a fair point, but the problem l have is that they are neighbouring a region who calls itself macedonia (Greek region), if they were inhabitating a region in the americas and called themselves New Macedonians then that won't be problem because its miles away.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 22, 2007 23:38:35 GMT -5
Even better.
New Bulgaria ? West Bulgaria ?
Or it get's split as follows;
East = To Albania. South = To Greece. North = To Serbia. West = To Bulgaria.
How does it sound ?
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Post by albquietman on Oct 23, 2007 0:09:22 GMT -5
It sounds good...now we've got to tell the macedonians the good news...
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 23, 2007 0:17:38 GMT -5
It sounds good...now we've got to tell the macedonians the good news... Let me spread it to the rest of my Greek brothers the Greek Makedones ;D ;D ;D I think I am too generous to Albania Mmm...Since they are both new comers to the region FYROM & Albania !!!
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 23, 2007 23:54:27 GMT -5
I think now is the best time... to nerve them up a bit.... Everyone is checking out Turkey on weather she will enter Iraq... if they do... we should use this opportunity to shake up our northern neighbors up a bit.... these gypsies need no mercy.... I know I am dreaming.... but thats what these types need.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 25, 2007 6:54:55 GMT -5
Been busy these past few days with my fellow Melbourne Greeks for the big one; A Rally as an objection to the absurd and illegal usage of our Hellenic Name used by our neighbor. < EDIT Images too big > See here instead; www.hellenicplanet.com
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Post by terroreign on Oct 26, 2007 19:42:04 GMT -5
You guys have no right on the name Macedonia, in fact northern greece wasnt called "macedonia" until quite recently, after FYR Macedonia....
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 26, 2007 20:28:51 GMT -5
You guys have no right on the name Macedonia, in fact northern greece wasnt called "macedonia" until quite recently, after FYR Macedonia.... We were using it before Albania was even a nation; Ermis of Thessaloniki. Here is a paper of 24th Octomber of 1875. Greek-Bulgarian quarrels in Macedonia". Newspaper "Empros" 1913. Still no trace of "Macedonians" of the Skopjan type but only Greek and Bulgarian populations in the region of Macedonia. This Macedonia ethnos never existed and out poped Tito in the 40's with this fake ethnos. Macedonians have always been Greek. We've been using it since antiquity. We have a copy right to the Macedonia star " Vergina " P.s note the first pic of a paper says Thessaloniki NOT solun Here is the original author of these pics. Giving credit where it's due. www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1158698119/last-1180694593/Greek+Macedonian+newspapers+of+late+19th+century+...+++PROOF+THAT+SKOPJANS+ARE+BULGARIANSAnd there are many more of this facts of Greeks using the name, I mean the Makedonio halva is older then then fake claims Halva is a sweet bought at cake shops.
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