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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Aug 26, 2009 20:20:28 GMT -5
Protesters and activists of an ethnic Albanian group called "Self-Determination" smash the windows of a vehicle during a protest in Pristina against the EU executive mission in Kosovo August 25, 2009. A protesters kicks an overturned vehicle during a demonstration in Pristina, led by an ethnic Albanian group called "Self-Determination", against the EU executive mission in Kosovo August 25, 2009. Dozens of protesters led by an ethnic Albanian nationalist group rallied in Pristina on Tuesday against the EU executive presence, damaging 24 Eulex vehicles. Kosovo police arrested 20 people, said Arber Beka, a police spokesman. Policemen scuffle with protesters during a demonstration against the EU executive presence, in Pristina August 25, 2009. EU police officers inspect the scene where activists of an Albanian group called "Self-Determination" rolled over and vandalized dozens of vehicles of the EU mission in Kosovo's capital Pristina, on Tuesday, Aug. 25, 2009. Tensions between ethnic Albanians and the EU has been on the rise due to an agreement that EU mission officials in Kosovo want to sign with Serbia on exchange of information. Highlighting the ethnic Albanian opposition to such a deal, activists from a group called Self-determination on Tuesday overturned some 24 vehicles of the EU mission in the capital Pristina, puncturing tires and smashing windows. Twenty activists were arrested.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 27, 2009 1:43:24 GMT -5
i see EULEX uses cheap cars, Nissan Patrol, VW Touareg, lol!
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 27, 2009 8:25:34 GMT -5
Kosovare Albanians are demonstrating their anger towards their limited government thanks to Western Control. Good for them.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 27, 2009 9:38:51 GMT -5
Kosovare Albanians are demonstrating their anger towards their limited government thanks to Western Control. Good for them. West or Serbia, you made your choice, now deal with it. They are only there, to reap your (well Serbia's actually) resources.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 27, 2009 9:51:26 GMT -5
The West and Serbia. If the West were to allow the Kosovars to have more control, they would deal with those Serbs in Mitrovica. However the Serbs will end up dealing with themselves since many of the Serbs are elderly and their birthrate is quite low. Not to mention many of them will leave for more greener pastures.
As for the resources, Belgrade has been reaping the mines from the Yugo times. IMO, the West wants nothing to do with those mines.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 27, 2009 12:51:16 GMT -5
What ungrateful fvckers. The West wins the war for them and the Albanians display their gratitude by rioting against them? A truly disgusting way to treat an ally.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Aug 27, 2009 12:57:00 GMT -5
What ungrateful fvckers. The West wins the war for them and the Albanians display their gratitude by rioting against them? A truly disgusting way to treat an ally.
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Post by tyson on Aug 27, 2009 12:57:54 GMT -5
Kosovare Albanians are demonstrating their anger towards their limited government thanks to Western Control. Good for them. i hate to be frank, but the west is the reason why kosovo albanians have any government control over kosovo. if it wasnt for the west, belgrade would have direct control over kosovo a long time ago, and most of the kosovo albanians wouldve fled to albania, and from there alot of them would head for western europe and USA/canada/australia/NZ. kosovo albanians should be very greatful to having their limited government. they are effectively out of belgrades reach, and can more or less run kosovo independantly, and celebrate and teach their culture, language and history to its peoples, BUT,... the price is under the supervision of EU/NATO. they can generally run their own affairs internally, but EU/NATO has the last say on matters it deems as important to them. this is the price kosovo albanians have to pay in order to be free from belgrades rule, because kosovo's independance was by UN law illegal, so EU/NATO needs to run things to what they see fit, to keep kosovo out of belgrade's reach, because as soon as EU/NATO pull its forces out of there, and give up the will to enforce kosovo staying separate from serbia,.... then serbian forces will move in to reclaim its lost territory, together with russian forces, and russian peacekeepers to keep belgrades grip on kosovo.
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Post by tyson on Aug 27, 2009 13:15:19 GMT -5
so if EU/NATO gives up its mission in kosovo, and russian forces have moved in, and set up camp there, building military bases there, giving the extra protection for belgrade government control over kosovo, and if russia declared that if anybody from the west was to try and retake kosovo away from serbia, russia would see this as a declaration of war against russia, since russia has made its interests in kosovo, with its army stationed there. the west would not want direct confrontation with russia, that could lead to war, given that russia has such a strong and huge army, and nuclear armed.
without that help from russia, the west would smash serbia in a heartbeat if it tried to retake kosovo by force, but the west knows that russia is not someone who they can tell what to do, let alone try to go to war with them. thats why they didnt do shyt when russia sent in its army to the georgian breakaway regions to keep it out of the georgian governments reach. this has terribly annoyed washington, and all they can do is give a few stern words to russia saying how they are disapointed in them, because thats all they can do.
thats why EU/NATO have to stay in kosovo to run the show, because as soon they're gone, russia will move in, and act as the new protectorate of kosovo, not of an independant kosovo, but under the sovereignty and direct rule of belgrade.
so yeh, just be greatful kosovo albanians,..... for the very high degree of independance that you have, because it wont get anything higher than that, so just enjoy it.
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Post by bato2 on Aug 27, 2009 13:35:40 GMT -5
At least those guys are brave and show their faces not like your cowards blowing bombs in the embassies of your so called "Orthodox Brothers" and hiding like worms
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 28, 2009 7:18:28 GMT -5
Kosovare Albanians are demonstrating their anger towards their limited government thanks to Western Control. Good for them. i hate to be frank, but the west is the reason why kosovo albanians have any government control over kosovo. if it wasnt for the west, belgrade would have direct control over kosovo a long time ago, and most of the kosovo albanians wouldve fled to albania, and from there alot of them would head for western europe and USA/canada/australia/NZ. kosovo albanians should be very greatful to having their limited government. they are effectively out of belgrades reach, and can more or less run kosovo independantly, and celebrate and teach their culture, language and history to its peoples, BUT,... the price is under the supervision of EU/NATO. they can generally run their own affairs internally, but EU/NATO has the last say on matters it deems as important to them. this is the price kosovo albanians have to pay in order to be free from belgrades rule, because kosovo's independance was by UN law illegal, so EU/NATO needs to run things to what they see fit, to keep kosovo out of belgrade's reach, because as soon as EU/NATO pull its forces out of there, and give up the will to enforce kosovo staying separate from serbia,.... then serbian forces will move in to reclaim its lost territory, together with russian forces, and russian peacekeepers to keep belgrades grip on kosovo. Kosovars are grateful, however, at the same time a country needs to be run and the West is preventing the Kosovars from having a true government. Hopefully this issue will ease over time.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 28, 2009 7:43:32 GMT -5
tyson, well said, just two points,
a) seeing all the romas,hungarians,muslims,albies etc... in Serbia, i would say Serbia was is and will be a heaven for minorities compared to *ANY* other balkan country, so Belgrade's rule over kosovo was not that bad as often portrayed in the past
b) There is another, most probable scenario. West has started to become more serb-friendly. I see Serbia taking control of Kosovo/Rep Srpska by peaceful means. If Serbia joins NATO/EU things will go even better. I hated to say this last sentence, but the truth is that Serbs were always the most westernized Orthodox ppl and the west is where Serbia belongs.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 28, 2009 8:03:18 GMT -5
Let's say hypothetically Kosova goes back to Serbia, what then? You will have 2 million unhappy citizens, and at that point, there are really only 2 ways to deal with them:
1) Assimilation - However in this day and age, I don't see this happening
2) Drive them out of Kosva, and I don't see the West or the Albanians letting that happen.
IMO, best case scenario Serbs will get some of the Northern Part of Kosova. In reality, I think Serbia and Kosova will eventually join the EU where borders will not be an issue.
However, Kosova going back to Serbia is a pipe dream. The West will never allow Kosova to go back to Serbia because such a move would strengthen Russia's power in the Balkans and the West will not allow it. Get that out of your heads.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 28, 2009 8:23:30 GMT -5
Logik, Both Serbia and Kosovo in EU, are VERY bad news for Kosovo albanians, i wonder how you can say such a naive thought.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 28, 2009 8:32:38 GMT -5
How so?
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Aug 28, 2009 9:19:56 GMT -5
i hate to be frank, but the west is the reason why kosovo albanians have any government control over kosovo. if it wasnt for the west, belgrade would have direct control over kosovo a long time ago, and most of the kosovo albanians wouldve fled to albania, and from there alot of them would head for western europe and USA/canada/australia/NZ. kosovo albanians should be very greatful to having their limited government. they are effectively out of belgrades reach, and can more or less run kosovo independantly, and celebrate and teach their culture, language and history to its peoples, BUT,... the price is under the supervision of EU/NATO. they can generally run their own affairs internally, but EU/NATO has the last say on matters it deems as important to them. this is the price kosovo albanians have to pay in order to be free from belgrades rule, because kosovo's independance was by UN law illegal, so EU/NATO needs to run things to what they see fit, to keep kosovo out of belgrade's reach, because as soon as EU/NATO pull its forces out of there, and give up the will to enforce kosovo staying separate from serbia,.... then serbian forces will move in to reclaim its lost territory, together with russian forces, and russian peacekeepers to keep belgrades grip on kosovo. Kosovars are grateful, however, at the same time a country needs to be run and the West is preventing the Kosovars from having a true government. Hopefully this issue will ease over time. Give me a break.. Bosnia is also controlled heavily by western countrys and no such riots occurs.. Those riots reminds me of Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc..
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 28, 2009 9:21:03 GMT -5
because, it will mean pre-1999 situation for you under a different name. PS And please, put out my home town Ioannina from your map. It looks ridiculous.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Aug 28, 2009 9:21:13 GMT -5
At least those guys are brave and show their faces not like your cowards blowing bombs in the embassies of your so called "Orthodox Brothers" and hiding like worms lol why would you even have to destroy anything. We had a damn good reason. Even if its wrong.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Aug 28, 2009 9:22:32 GMT -5
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IMO, best case scenario Serbs will get some of the Northern Part of Kosova. In reality, I think Serbia and Kosova will eventually join the EU where borders will not be an issue.
Thats the optimal solution.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 28, 2009 9:50:08 GMT -5
because, it will mean pre-1999 situation for you under a different name. PS And please, put out my home town Ioannina from your map. It looks ridiculous. There would be nothing close to 99' if Serbia and Kosova were to join the EU. Each country would have to respect the rights of the other, and any imperialistic attempts by Serbia would be punished by the EU. Simple as that. As for Ioannina, I'll keep it here. In your fantasy, Albanians are imperialistic terrorists, and I would like to reinforce this stereotype. . Thats the optimal solution. Honestly I'm not from Kosova so it's hard for me to say. I think the whole idea of a "multi Ethnic country" is almost impossible with Balkan countries(unless it was under a bigger power ala the EU) , and for that reason, I would be open to the idea of some of the North going to Serbia. On the other hand, the Serbs living in the North are elderly and the Serbs hardly reproduce and their numbers will significantly decrease. In time the North will probably become Albanian. Maybe it's not best for the Kosovars to let it go. Include Presheva and I'll think about it harder.
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