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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Oct 2, 2009 10:53:48 GMT -5
Many countries during ancient times and after been byzantine empire and all those been using tow head eagla flags. Can someone tell here why they been called byzantine? what two head eagle means? and to whom two head eagle belonged first?
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Post by L0gjICK on Oct 2, 2009 10:55:26 GMT -5
Mysia I gave you an explanation. Myself, Universal God Sun_Logjik Christ Lord Of Ilirida
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Oct 2, 2009 10:57:58 GMT -5
Logjik, I like my rivals. Your explanation is wrong btw, keep responding to the byzantine topic.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 2, 2009 11:02:34 GMT -5
its from the Romanized Illyrians
all started from within the court of Diocletian
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Oct 2, 2009 11:06:27 GMT -5
Hey Rex, the question is what does that means byzantine and two head eagle? What is special to them that why they been called byzantine?
Cheers!
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Post by rex362 on Oct 2, 2009 11:43:36 GMT -5
oh ....I see ...my bad
its Pelasgian Buza/Byza ...3 buza te kuq
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Oct 2, 2009 12:23:44 GMT -5
you're close is pelasgian word keep guessing... etymology is the only one detection to achieve the best in history.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 2, 2009 12:36:25 GMT -5
I give up ....I cant stand it no more
what is it !
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 2, 2009 12:44:16 GMT -5
It was de facto a Greek Empire and externally a Roman empire.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 2, 2009 12:45:32 GMT -5
What does Byzantine mean?
Orthodog...
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Post by greek1234 on Oct 2, 2009 14:58:07 GMT -5
The eastern Roman Empire inherited by Greeks. The Greek speaking Romans. The term was coined by modern historians, named after the ancient Greek city of Byzantium.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 2, 2009 16:16:38 GMT -5
What does Byzantine mean? Orthodog... Tell us as if you were a Classical studies professor... and not a Turkoban. ;D
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 2, 2009 16:29:38 GMT -5
A Greek Orthodog empire in ethnicity, on the large part, and culturally.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Oct 2, 2009 17:31:02 GMT -5
you're still wrong to my question Rex is close to the right answer think again and keep responding... Sincerely, ChristoTokos
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Post by rex362 on Oct 2, 2009 17:49:51 GMT -5
you're still wrong to my question Rex is close to the right answer think again and keep responding... Sincerely, ChristoTokos Lips of Gold / Golden lips forward of coast
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 2, 2009 20:19:06 GMT -5
We are Orthodogs and you are Lapdogs...funny thing is most of you are still lapdogs... ruff ruff ruff...
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Post by Duke John on Oct 3, 2009 4:42:45 GMT -5
Byzantine empire as a term was invented buy Hieronymus Wolf a german historian and the term Byzantine was never used during the Roman empire time, It was simply a Roman empire an multi ethnic empire.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 3, 2009 5:03:23 GMT -5
The term "byzantine" or more correctly "byzantiakos" was used by medieval Greek writers not to describe the whole empire, but those who where from Polis, Byzantion.
The empire may had many different people and languages within its borders but not all where Romaioi/Graikoi...even if they were Orthodox(see Serbs,Bulgarians,Albanians, Armenians, mixovarvaroi of central and eastern Minor Asia, Syrians, etc etc...)
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 3, 2009 5:34:15 GMT -5
Being Romaios was no ethnical requirement...the Empire contained many (from todays perspective) ethnicities but the grecophone Romaioi, the prevalent group, were themselves (ethnically) mixed. Becoming a Romaios was relatively easy...two quite simple requirements only:
1. The most important and indispensable: Being a baptized Greek orthodox.
2. To be able to speak Greek since that was the language of the whole administration and the courts, means the whole "state" power... On the other hand it was not as important as the first requirement. Its handed down that many Emperors did not speak fluently Greek...especially at the beginning of the Empire's existence (best example Ioustinianos I). Later on it became more important though.
Keeping this in mind...it means..advancement was much easier back then than today. Constantinople had whole dynasties of Emperors with nongreek origins; among others the greatest of all, the Makedonian one who were of Armenian origin. The great Basil II- o Boulgaroktonos- for example belonged to them.
Its like having today a Prime Minister in Greece who is a Pomak. Or a son or daughter of Albanian immigrants. On the other hand a comparison cant be made that easily with today since today almost every European country strongly defines itself through a particular nation and ethnicity.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 3, 2009 6:11:22 GMT -5
Many were able to speak Greek, but they were not considered Romaioi or Graikoi. Even the populations of central and eastern Minor Asia who had been hellenised centuries before, were considered mixovarvaroi ready to betray the empire and ally with any invader, like they did when Arabs and Turks came...maybe because they were remissed by Polis...
From the 8th century and the restriction of the borders to traditionaly Greek speaking areas(southern Balkans, Minor Asia coasts and Pontos) Empire was much hellenised. Nobody knows what ws the origin of Basil, the founder of the Macedonian dynasty, the sure thing is that he was from Andrianoupolis, a strong Greek center even still the 19th century. And Michael Psellos, the most important personality of his period(Macedonian), and maybe one of the 4-5 greatest "Byzantine" personalites, notes in his Chronographia(p.181) that a officer in the court "even though he was not Greek(Hellenas) in origin, he was finest in moral, and heroic in appearance".... and in the same text he complains for the inrush of barbarians(Varaggians) in public offices and writes: "arhousin imon ous ek ton varvaron eonisametha, kai tas megalas pisteuontai dinameis ou Perikeis, oude Themistokleis all'oi atimotatoi Spartakoi" that is : "usually they govern us individuals that we bought from the barbarians, and the high offices we do not trust to Perikleses(plural), neither to Themistocleses but to humble origins' Spartaks." An indication of what they though about their greekspeaking selves...
And for all the non Byzantine writers, emperors etc, "Byzantium" was a Imperium Graecorum.
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