donnie
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Post by donnie on Oct 8, 2009 17:51:11 GMT -5
Ohrid-Debar UprisingThe Ohrid-Debar uprising (Bulgarian: Îõðèäñêî-Äåáúðñêî âúñòàíèå) was an uprising in Western Macedonia in September 1913. It was organized by the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) and by local Albanian leaders against the Serbian occupation of the regions of Ohrid, Debar and Struga. The rebellion started only two months after the end of the Second Balkan War. Local Albanians and Bulgarians, led by Petar Chaulev, Milan Matov and Pavel Hristov expelled the Serbian army and officials, creating a front line 15 km east of Ohrid. A local administration was set up in Ohrid under the leadership of Lev Ognenov.[1] After a fortnight of fierce fighting, a Srebian army of 100,000 regulars suppressed the uprising. Thousands were killed, and tens of thousands of local inhabitants fled for Bulgaria and Albania to save their lives. According to the Report by the International Commission of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace the number of Albanians who took refuge from Macedonia was 25,000; many Bulgarian notables were imprisoned or shot, a number of villages were burned.[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid-Debar_UprisingReal "Serbs" these Macedonians ...
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Post by macmako on Oct 8, 2009 18:10:40 GMT -5
Why do you say that, Donnie?
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Post by ioan on Oct 8, 2009 23:36:23 GMT -5
uou great find donnie
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Post by donnie on Oct 9, 2009 7:58:01 GMT -5
Why do you say that, Donnie? Well, some Serbs and wannabe-Serbs in these forums have claimed that Macedonians are really Serbs. I think this event contradicts this notion. If the Macedonians were and are real Serbs, why would they oppose the incorporation of so called "Juzna Srbija" into the Serbian kingdom? It tells me they didn't identify with the Serbs at all, rather they saw them as enemies occupying their territory.
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Post by macmako on Oct 9, 2009 8:19:47 GMT -5
Very nice. If they were Serbs, there would never have been a fight.
It is the "not so well educated" Balkanites that call Macedonians as Serbs or Bulgarians.
Thanks for the interesting read.
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Post by ioan on Oct 9, 2009 9:21:42 GMT -5
Still we have to read carefully the article to see how many times the "awful" words Bulgaria/Bulgarians were used.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 10, 2009 21:30:39 GMT -5
I remember mentioning to Ruse of a tribe called the Tikvesh and he barked out loud, calling me terrible names because of it, anyway, l'll add to Donnies debar uprising with the Tikvesh Uprising. Im not going to bother and explain the reasonings behind this because as a serb, even with sourced quotes, l'm frowned upon. So here it is, the Tikvesh Uprising: Tikvesh uprising (Bulgarian: Тиквешко въстание and Macedonian: Тиквешко востание) was an uprising in the Tikvesh region of Macedonia in late June 1913. It was organized by the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) against the Serbian occupation of Vardar Macedonia and took place behind the Serbian enemy lines during the Second Balkan War. IMRO acted in close coordination with the Bulgarian army generals in Macedonia, whose troops at the time were located on the left bank of the Vardar river. The rebellion started prematurely on June 15, 1913[1], after the secret uprising conspiration had been revealed by the local Serbian authorities. The organisers had planned to start armed resistance against the oppressors after the Bulgarian Army had begun operations in the region. The rebellion spread in the regions of Kavadarci, Negotino and the village of Vatasha. Two large rebel groups were set up with leaders Doncho Lazarov and Mishe Shkartov. The Serbian army unit in Negotino was attacked and forced out from the town, Kavadarci and Vatasha were liberated soon after. The rebelions set up a provisional Bulgarian government in these settlements. Reorganized Serbian army troops and irregulars led by Vasile Trbich were sent to crush the uprising. On June 25, after realising that help from the Bulgarian army would not be coming soon, the rebels moved out from the liberated towns. In the following days the Serbian army brutally suppressed the uprising and terrorized the Bulgarian population in the rebelling regions. According to some sources 363 civilians were killed in Kavadarci, 230 - in Negotino and 40 - in Vatasha.[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikvesh_Uprising
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Post by macmako on Oct 10, 2009 22:24:42 GMT -5
Yes, the Serbs always did go above and beyond what was required to suppress an uprising. It was easy for them to do this, as if they enjoyed it. ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 11, 2009 1:16:01 GMT -5
^ Read about the exarchos, IMRO and the influence that the Bulgarian Buregois had upon the organisation, then get back to me.
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Post by macmako on Oct 11, 2009 7:51:59 GMT -5
Sure. The IMRO was an organization serving Bulgarian interests in the Balkans, mainly to unify the province of Macedonia with Bulgaria, then developed into a gang of Bulgarian terrorists.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 16, 2009 19:11:38 GMT -5
^ Thats it. Do you know which serbian king they killed?
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Post by macmako on Oct 16, 2009 20:17:33 GMT -5
I believe it was King Alexander Karadjordjevic. He was killed by a Bulgarian named Chernozemski. I think he murdered a few other people, too.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 16, 2009 20:21:01 GMT -5
^ right again. Do you know anything about Vancho Mihailov?
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Post by macmako on Oct 16, 2009 20:23:44 GMT -5
All I know of him is that he is a Macedonian that considers himself a Bulgarian.
Why all the questions, Novi?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 16, 2009 20:45:51 GMT -5
Demosthenes, nothing personal, just running through with you some historical quiz's.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 16, 2009 20:52:17 GMT -5
exarchate, exarchate, exarchate... boy this shkja is truly a broken record... 40 years suddenly decide for hundreds. The world recognises Macedonians as speaking a dialect of Bulgarians. Fact is, in southern Albania, the Macedonian minority is today divided between a pro-Bulgarian and pro-Macedonian camp for a reason. And no, there is no pro-Serb camp among them... I wonder why?
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Post by macmako on Oct 16, 2009 20:53:25 GMT -5
Well, I try to be reasonable when it comes to history and facts. You presented your questions in a very respectable way. I appreciate that. It is a pleasure when all I get are demands and insults.
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Post by macmako on Oct 16, 2009 20:55:56 GMT -5
exarchate, exarchate, exarchate... boy this shkja is truly a broken record... 40 years suddenly decide for hundreds. The world recognises Macedonians as speaking a dialect of Bulgarians. Fact is, in southern Albania, the Macedonian minority is today divided between a pro-Bulgarian and pro-Macedonian camp for a reason. And no, there is no pro-Serb camp among them... I wonder why? Toskali, you are incorrect. The world recognizes the Macedonian language as just that, a language. A dialect is a version of a language, like Pontiaka is to Greek. The Macedonian language is part of the South Slavic languages, and not a dialect.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 16, 2009 21:14:04 GMT -5
"exarchate, exarchate, exarchate... boy this shkja is truly a broken record... 40 years suddenly decide for hundreds. The world recognises Macedonians as speaking a dialect of Bulgarians. Fact is, in southern Albania, the Macedonian minority is today divided between a pro-Bulgarian and pro-Macedonian camp for a reason. And no, there is no pro-Serb camp among them... I wonder why?"
Seriously, l was waiting for sometime when the impatient was going to decide to attack me.....l know why, but its o.k.
Toski, you've said it in your post, no need for me to explain it further lmao.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 16, 2009 21:19:16 GMT -5
I've sad a few times that l'm an irritation to the confusion brought about by the Ottomans and also travellers who travelled in the region during the 19th/20th centuries.
Its the kind of reaction l'm seeking ;D
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