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Post by rusebg on Oct 29, 2009 15:15:21 GMT -5
Bulgaria's Prime Minister, Boyko Borisov, declared Thursday that the Macedonians must read and understand better the values of the European Union. Borisov said this in Brussels where he is for the meeting of the EU Council. He commented on a statement that Macedonia Prime Minister, Nikola Gruevski, made during his recent visit to Australia, which Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov interpreted as Macedonian territorial claims towards Bulgaria. Gruevski’s statement was that all “Macedonian” immigrants, including those from the Pirin region which is in Southwest Bulgaria, must live together in cooperation in Australia. “I have always told our neighbors from Macedonia that if they are headed for membership in the EU and NATO, they must read what values those organizations espouse. These values are: an Europe without borders, an Europe of good neighborliness, an Europe where problems are solved with peace, understanding, and tolerance, not with statements such as that of PM Gruevski,” Borisov said before the meeting of the EU government heads from the European People’s Party. Borisov stressed that Bulgaria was probably going to get the seat of EU Commissioner for Enlargement in the new European Commission. Bulgaria’s PM also said he was going to meet with his Albanian counterpart, Sali Berisha. The meeting has been requested by the Albanian side, and the statement of Macedonian PM Gruevski will be one of its topics. www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=109419
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Post by insomniac on Oct 29, 2009 16:13:48 GMT -5
^ Macedonians and Serbs are the most troubled people in the Balkans. I think it has to do with both being very little educated, xenophobic .. etc They def. need some lessons of EU values.
I don't speak for all of them. But from what i have encountered. I can say there is a great deal of ignorance. History has also shown that with all the wars and crimes done during the 90s. It doesn't surprise me at all now why yugoslavia disintegrated. The rest of Eastern Europe might have been fully communist. But i think that's the difference b/w us and Yugoslavs. Education of not only urban but rural population. And the communists pushed forward to educate the rural pop.
These areas today are sources of conflicts.
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Post by gavrilo on Oct 29, 2009 19:12:06 GMT -5
. I think it has to do with both being very little educated, xenophobic .. etc They def. need some lessons of EU values.
^lmao look whose talking...
those who throw stones....well you know the rest...
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Post by ioan on Oct 30, 2009 4:25:52 GMT -5
Nikola Gruevski is the most laughable ENICHARIN I ve ever met. The world is laughing at his ignorance: the Macedonians are ex (brainwashed) Bulgarians, so his laugable announcement should be read as following: All Bulgarian immigrants, including those from the whole of Bulgaria and the second Bulgarian majority state on the Bolkans - Republic of Macedonia must live together in cooperation in Australia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 30, 2009 17:44:55 GMT -5
^ They are not ex-bulgarians, remember serbs arrive first and settle in vardar before Bulgars.
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Post by rusebg on Oct 30, 2009 17:48:53 GMT -5
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Post by ivo on Oct 30, 2009 22:34:14 GMT -5
Novi continues with the propaganda..
Serbs have never had large scale settlements in what is the Republic of Macedonia today. On the other hand, there have been large Bulgar settlements in Macedonia from the time of Kuber. This is not only supported by the closeness of Bulgarian-Macedonian linguistics, but also by genetics, culture, history, folklore etc.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 30, 2009 22:56:46 GMT -5
^ forget about your Kuber because everything prior to the 9th century was raids carried out by maurauders, which left no ethnic traces on those territories.
Everything beyond the *yat* line isn't Bulgarian ;D
Hey, in the slavic salonica dialect they use in as *u* like serbian/torlak/shopski etc but not like *v* in Bulgarian lmao
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 30, 2009 22:59:04 GMT -5
Ruse, l know the reason why you posted a picture of the parrot, but l must say its a lovely looking bird. Parrots are one of my favorite animals, just love the colors
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Post by ioan on Oct 31, 2009 1:31:49 GMT -5
Novi you speak Simple Bulgarian according to your grandpa so its understandable you claim the Macedonians: they are Bulgarian too.
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Post by ivo on Oct 31, 2009 2:11:49 GMT -5
Hahahaha and that's why genetic testing shows Bulgarians and Macedonians to be identical and closer related to Romanians than Serbs right?
What? You love the rainbow colours? Do you march in those 'special' parades as well?
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Post by ivo on Oct 31, 2009 2:17:13 GMT -5
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8264514.stmSorry Novi, I guess you weren't able to enjoy those colors in public huh? But hey, there's always next year right? Hang in there little buddy.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 31, 2009 21:25:03 GMT -5
"Hahahaha and that's why genetic testing shows Bulgarians and Macedonians to be identical and closer related to Romanians than Serbs right?"
actually they have been shown to be genetically closer to serbs ;D
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Post by macmako on Oct 31, 2009 23:42:07 GMT -5
"Hahahaha and that's why genetic testing shows Bulgarians and Macedonians to be identical and closer related to Romanians than Serbs right?" actually they have been shown to be genetically closer to serbs ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 1, 2009 7:34:38 GMT -5
"The ethnic group closest to the Serbs genetically is the Macedonian Slavs" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_SerbsKeep banging your head Demo, its a bad reality that your wifes albanian half has to face with lmao
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Post by ivo on Nov 1, 2009 11:20:13 GMT -5
Hahahah yeah OK. Novi you must be mentally deranged.. actually, sorry. You are just a bit more ignorant than most people but probably not insane. There’s a difference between Serbs and Torlaks, if you compare Macedonians to Torlaks they are probably quite similar just like as if you were to compare Bulgarians, Macedonians, and Torlaks to one another. Try to make that comparison with the actual Serbs from Beograd and the vicinity. Torlaks are mostly assimilated Bulgarians, so to compare a Torlak to a Macedonian is like comparing a Bulgarian to a Bulgarian. This is a map from the link you provided. Notice the Serb concentration in Macedonia vs that in Turkey. There are barely any Serb settlements in Macedonia, but it looks like you have a stronger claim on Turkey than you do on Macedonia.
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Post by ioan on Nov 1, 2009 11:40:12 GMT -5
great map asen, tnx for the contribution, novi go claim anatolia man. though u are torlak.
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Post by ivo on Nov 1, 2009 14:29:38 GMT -5
Anytime Ioan, but we should really be thanking Novi for this one.. afterall, I got the map from the link he provided.
Here's a quote from Novi's link:
Yet there's no mention of Macedonia. This is an outrage eh Novi? But it's ok, because we all know that Serbia has had no influence in Macedonia or the people of Macedonia until more recent times (after the 1900's).. particularly during the time of Yugoslavia.
The most amusing thing is that ALL the sources that Novi provides are self contradictory, but he continues to post the same bulls**t propaganda that holds no credibility.
Novi I told you, we love Torlaks.. so stop hating on Bulgaria and our great past.
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Post by macmako on Nov 1, 2009 20:00:15 GMT -5
"The ethnic group closest to the Serbs genetically is the Macedonian Slavs" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_SerbsKeep banging your head Demo, its a bad reality that your wifes albanian half has to face with lmao Why, Novi? If it was true (which it is not) it does not make me a Serb!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 1, 2009 23:41:45 GMT -5
Vilayet of Veles, village of Jabolchiste:
„Novak Burhanin,; Tome Belche, Bogche, Todor, son of Belche; Hrchko, brother of Pecko; Pejo, son of Danche, Vlkashin, Srbin; Gjurash, Srbin, Rade Stari; Dojchin, his son; Gjorgjo, son of Rade; Rale Momchil; Hrlo, son of Dapko; Brajko, son of Kovach; Ivan; Stale,son of Stojan; Rale, son of Stojan; Stepan, Srbin; Dabe; Pejchin, son of Rade...†(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 143)
village of Dobrushevo, Vilayet of Prilep: „Bogdan Srbin; Marko, his son, Dimitri son of Gruban...Dimitri son of Srbin; Todor son of Srbin, Pejo son of Rajcho... (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 60)
village of Sopotnica, northwest from Krushevo: â€Ivanish Stale; Stanisha Mano; Petko, Srbin; Petar, Srbin; Stajko Srbin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 540)
village of Divjaci, northwest od Krushevo: â€Jandro, Srbin; Miho son of Srbin; Dimitri son of Srbin, Petko son of the priest...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 541)
village of Volkoselo, nahiya of Prilep; â€Bogavec, Srbin; Stanisha son in law of Bogdan...Stanisha, Srbin; Pejo, son of Tonchin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 95)
Asen, was there serbian brainwashing also in the 18th century lmao
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