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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 1, 2009 20:51:24 GMT -5
Check out this awesome scene from a Bulgarian movie depicting the Serbs & Bulgars making a deal after Bulgarians had been defeated in their attack against the Serbs around 852AD.
Campaign of Boris I of Bulgaria After the death of Vlastimir c.850 his Serbian state was divided between his sons Mutimir, Stroimir and Goinik. The Bulgarian ruler Boris I saw weakness in this division and attacked the Serbs with the intention to impose Bulgarian influence in place of Byzantine. However, the campaign proved to be a disaster after the Serbs defeated the Bulgarian army and captured Boris I's son Vladimir Rasate and twelve higher ranking Bulgarian officials. To take back his son, Boris I concluded peace with the Serbs and both sides exchanged gifts. There were no territorial changes but the Bulgarian ruler probably abandoned his ambitions to conquer the Serbs. However, the Bulgarians achieved part of their objectives - the Serbs rejected their alliance with Byzantium. Boris and Mutumir established friendly relations and the latter was backed by the Bulgarians in his struggle against his brothers and after Mutimir captured them they were sent to Bulgaria.
Highlights; Serbs get the Khans white horse. Serbs get the Khans slav girl. Serbs are still loyal to the slavic pagan God Perun.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 1, 2009 21:00:57 GMT -5
haha took his horse and woman
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 2, 2009 0:13:10 GMT -5
Yep, the Bulgars used to sell off their slavic slaves and treat them like dirt
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Post by ivo on Nov 2, 2009 0:25:32 GMT -5
Hey, you can't win every battle.. but here are the borders that they decided to maintain.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 2, 2009 1:41:32 GMT -5
Asen, started working early this morning! How much do they pay you Asen? dont tell me you waste your time for free! Anyways, here is the friendly positions of our slav-brother asen: Bulgaria has already gone through much more than Serbia. The only difference is that Serbia has no rightful claim on anything it claims. So now that Kosovo is Kosova.. take away Voijvodina, the Western Outlands, and a few other parts and then you'll have the rightful Serbian lands.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 2, 2009 6:23:38 GMT -5
Asen, started working early this morning! How much do they pay you Asen? dont tell me you waste your time for free! Anyways, here is the friendly positions of our slav-brother asen: Bulgaria has already gone through much more than Serbia. The only difference is that Serbia has no rightful claim on anything it claims. So now that Kosovo is Kosova.. take away Voijvodina, the Western Outlands, and a few other parts and then you'll have the rightful Serbian lands. Sounds like he's one of those gangster Bulgaryan's lol. Bulgarians have some weird ideas, especially on ethnicity. They think that everyone within the greatest extent of Bulgaria were ethnic Bulgarians... no Thracians, no Bulgars, no slav Bulgarians, no Torlaks, no Bulgaryans, no...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 2, 2009 6:37:07 GMT -5
LMAO, they think that names ending in -ov (which could be Montenegrin,Vojvodina,Russian, Czech, Slovak,etc..) denote bulgarian origin, and also toponyms bearing the prefix "suho" (dry in Russian,Croat,etc..) must be a sign of bulgarian rule (in contrast to the strict Serb version of dry=suvo). When i told Asen that Bosnian Serbs often say "Suho" as well, he almost had a heart attack lol.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 2, 2009 7:01:20 GMT -5
"Hey, you can't win every battle.. but here are the borders that they decided to maintain."
Well the map you posted above doesn't address the centuries of the 5th to the 7th?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 2, 2009 7:03:52 GMT -5
"LMAO, they think that names ending in -ov (which could be Montenegrin,Vojvodina,Russian, Czech, Slovak,etc..) denote bulgarian origin, and also toponyms bearing the prefix "suho" (dry in Russian,Croat,etc..) must be a sign of bulgarian rule (in contrast to the strict Serb version of dry=suvo). When i told Asen that Bosnian Serbs often say "Suho" as well, he almost had a heart attack lol."
Pyrro, when you go alittle deeper you will realise what the Bulgars say here are just contradictory to history.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 2, 2009 7:53:32 GMT -5
Strange you say that because I am still missing a Serbian post when someone will admit Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, etc as having something to do with Serb ethnogenesis. The map is correct, btw. What made you so nervous about it?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 2, 2009 8:02:41 GMT -5
The map is correct, btw. What made you so nervous about it? The fact that this map applies for 3 years max and still Bulgarians brag about it! ;D ;D
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 2, 2009 8:05:33 GMT -5
Strange you say that because I am still missing a Serbian post when someone will admit Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, etc as having something to do with Serb ethnogenesis. A few times I've said something to the effect that Balkanites & Serbs are highly racially diverse. But unlike Bulgarians we are not so ethnically diverse. Nervous? insecure? That's how Bulgarian traits tend to come off to me a lot. I didn't take kindly to Asen claiming that most of Serbia should not be Serbia. Personally I believe in ethnic borders for the Balkans. That's my stance so I disagree with his statement & some other jiberrish he's recently come up with regarding Serbs.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 2, 2009 8:13:29 GMT -5
Asen is the next bulgarian clown to get destroyed in those forums! He is jealous of the violent battles which Atan and Ioan gave (and lost) before him... (Rusebg did not fight, he was just watching and cheer-leading for the other two, making senseless comments of the type : kangaroo hit novi, kangaroo like sushi, and other bs like that).
Novi, has made huge efforts studying in real libraries, posting genuine stuff not found anywhere on the internet, and debunking the junk that Ioan and Atan copied/pasted from bulgarian pseudo-historical propaganda sites.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 2, 2009 8:19:04 GMT -5
Is the map wrong? It isn't. Don't be so sensitive. Because according to your friend Novi, I am living in one of the few Bulgarian cities inhabited by Bulgarians. The rest are Serbs. This is some stance, don't you think?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 2, 2009 8:19:45 GMT -5
Ruse be a man. Who started it all?
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Post by gavrilo on Nov 2, 2009 10:00:28 GMT -5
when someone mentions that vojvodina is going to get taken away from serbia, he loses alot of credit in my eyes. because thats just ridiculous.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 2, 2009 11:01:56 GMT -5
Vojvodina is the heart of Serbia.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 2, 2009 11:05:34 GMT -5
Gavrilo is the heart of Vojvodina.
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Post by ivo on Nov 2, 2009 15:28:07 GMT -5
Pay me for what? I love history, I love discussing it objectively.. what you and Novi post is propaganda. And my job is in the IT industry, so I’m in front of a computer all day and it’s rather amusing to me to watch how ignorant and racist some people are. Pfff Slavic brother? According to people like you Bulgarians are Mongols, Tatars, etc. and apparently we are not even Orthodox. The one you pointed out in your earlier post in the Macedonian forum does, Uhhh.. granted the borders shifted quite often, but not every 3 years. Here’s the First Bulgarian Empire under Tsar Simeon I, the second son of Tsar Boris I. And here is the map under Tsar Samuil, a couple of centuries later:
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Post by gavrilo on Nov 2, 2009 17:44:55 GMT -5
im blushing.... ;D ;D ;D
arsenije, spavao sam kad ste imali vas chat preko msn, kod nas u NY je bilo oko 7 ujutru. jel su ti uzeli dozvolu?
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