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Post by wbb on Nov 6, 2009 1:14:06 GMT -5
Somalis, Palestinians, Afghans rebuild lives in HungaryBicske, Hungary - It may seem an unlikely destination for migrants from war-torn or poverty-stricken countries, but many have chosen to make their new beginnings in Hungary. Daud, a 22-year-old from Somalia, would love to return home some day. For now, he lives at a refugee reception centre in Bicske, Hungary, a small town about 30 kilometres west of Budapest. "I would like to go back, if there was a new government, if it was stable and safe. I think everyone wants that," Daud told the German Press Agency dpa. In December 2008, Daud left Somalia for Turkey with three friends. From there, he travelled by bus and on foot for 15 days before being picked up by guards somewhere along the Hungarian border. Bicske, with its rolling hills and vineyards, is today Daud's home. Autumn leaves swirl between the flat-roofed, single-storey concrete houses. Laundry billows in the wind on clotheslines outside the buildings. A couple of laughing Palestinian children trundle past on plastic tricycles, and a few people stand by doorways. Otherwise it is quiet. Like all the residents, Daud has been granted asylum in Hungary. Daud has been in Hungary for six months and seven days. He's in charge of the Bicske centre's popular internet room and hopes to one day get a job in information technology. "I have to like it here, I live in Hungary now," he says. The Bicske reception centre can accommodate 464 refugees but is less than half full. According to the Hungarian Office of Nationality and Immigration, 160 refugees were granted asylum in 2008, while 3,118 fresh claims were made. A six- to 12-month stay in Bicske is the last stage in the process of settling refugees in Hungary. Residents are given Hungarian language lessons, help in finding employment and financial support when they find work and leave the centre to set up a home. Currently, most of the residents are from Afghanistan and Somalia, but there are also Palestinians, Georgians, Armenians and Iranians, among others, says Erika Kiss, who leads a team of five social workers at the centre. "How quickly people integrate is not related to their nationality but more on their level of education. Some people are illiterate," Kiss explains. Apart from regular language lessons, a school, sports facilities and a well-equipped medical centre, there is psychological support for those traumatized by the events and experiences that caused them to flee their homelands. Although the entrance is manned by a guard, residents are free to come and go as they please. However, with monthly allowances of just 7,125 forints (about 39 dollars), there is little opportunity to stray too far. Mohammed first came to Hungary in 2001 from Morocco. He was finally granted asylum in 2007 and now helps out at the centre, translating between French, Arabic, English and Hungarian. "Hungarian people are very friendly, more friendly than in Morocco," he says. "Only the language was difficult. It took me more than three years to learn." In fact, fiendishly complex Hungarian - unrelated to any other in Europe, bar distant cousins Finnish and Estonian - is the first thing that all the residents complained about. Meals are provided in a canteen three times a day, but many families prefer to cook for themselves in the small kitchenettes of the residential blocks. Sitting in the room she has shared with her three daughters since May, Celine speaks of her husband's escape from the Democratic Republic of Congo. After months of anxiety, she received an unexpected phone call from Hungary - her husband had been granted asylum. "I was born in Congo, I grew up in Congo," she says. "I knew nothing about Hungary." Celine used the last of her money to travel to Kenya, where the Hungarian embassy in Nairobi provided the visa that allowed her and the children to follow her husband. While Celine seems unsure about her family's future, her 12-year- old daughter, Clemence, says she just wants to move to Budapest, where she can go to a normal school. Some European Union countries, notably Italy, have recently called for the burden of housing asylum-seekers to be shared. The European Commission has produced plans for a voluntary migrant resettlement programme. In today's 27-member EU, it could be that other, smaller, less prominent countries like Hungary will increasingly be asked to provide homes for those who have nowhere else to go. www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/293146,somalis-palestinians-afghans-rebuild-lives-in-hungary--feature.html
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Post by wbb on Nov 6, 2009 1:20:16 GMT -5
Welcome Uj Magyar. I doubt they go back to their chit hole when Hungary is more beautiful, safer and people are better. Their country is already overun by un-islamic buch of chitheads, Hungary is the place where civilisation reaches them and become a very progressive Muslims.
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Post by lvl100 on Nov 6, 2009 6:03:48 GMT -5
I doubt they go back to their chit hole when Hungary is more beautiful, safer and people are better. Their country is already overun by un-islamic buch of chitheads, Hungary is the place where civilisation reaches them and become a very progressive Muslims. WBB dont keep your hopes to high about this. They are in Hungary now, because unfortunately for them this is where they were caught, trying to reach western Europe. Some dont even try to hide it lol : I have to like it here, I live in Hungary now," he says. Romania has also a refugee center in Temesvár long before your centre was made, and this is how things work. They are using our countries as a gate to western Europe or USA. Not Hungary and nor Romania can offer them 800-1000+ euro for low skilled jobs
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Post by wbb on Nov 6, 2009 8:00:26 GMT -5
well it's has to be some1 who is an idiot who want to leave Hungary. I remember 1 Kurdish guy who lives in Hungary fled Hungary and went to Holland but he got caught was immediately sent back to Hungary, he didnt even born in Hungary nor he is a Hungarian citizen, but perhap i was wondering why a white europeans with blond hair and smells like cowchit would send people with Middle Eastern appearance back to Hungary. Because Hungary divides from Western Europe, Hungary is the furthest advance of Islam to Europe so far. Spain today is already repopulated with muslims after the fall of Al-Andalus. Well not all muslim refugees would go for money, but rather they want safety from all those stupid un-Islamic fanatics back in their country. Maybe Somalis and Congolese would leave Hungary, who knows but i doubt about the Palestinians and Afghans. Palestinians and Afghans would stay, they can quickly learn the language and fit in. I know a Palestinian and Afghan at the mosque in Budapest.
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Post by yeni on Nov 6, 2009 23:09:58 GMT -5
Palestinians and Afghans have been in Hungary for a long time, some of them came here during the commie times and i also noticed the increased number of Somalians lately. i feel sorry for them they came from a really fked up place. I haven't heard about any troubles made by them so they are welcomed. actually the mentioned Bicske refugee center (and some others) was created in 1989 originally to support the many Hungarian refugees from Romania.
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Post by lvl100 on Nov 7, 2009 0:55:10 GMT -5
actually the mentioned Bicske refugee center (and some others) was created in 1989 originally to support the many Hungarian refugees from Romania. Interesting. So instead of giving them citizenship and housing for your own ethnic Magyars , you keep them the same as Somalians in refugee camps. I didn't knew about this, but its kinda sad.
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Post by dezboy on Nov 7, 2009 8:46:58 GMT -5
Well where would you house several thousand refugees coming all at once? whether they're Hungarian, romanian or somalis. In the cities? the general population? They didn't have to have guards for the Hungarian refugees as they did the others and I doubt there are any Hungarians at that camp now... and as far a romanians using Hungary as a stopping point on there way to western Europe, its true and its actually good they left because we all know what they're doing in Italy and France now. Its very sad how you try to manipulate facts and try to lump Hungary in the same boat as romania, Hungarians aren't the bad guys here.
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Post by wbb on Nov 7, 2009 9:54:16 GMT -5
actually those Hungarian refugees from Romania, shouldnt be in Hungary in the first place. But ur stupid fellow romanian friends done their dirty job ethnic cleansing Hungarians from their homes in Transylvania, and that's what caused it. Maybe those Hungarians should go back to Transylvania where they came from.
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Post by yeni on Nov 7, 2009 14:04:26 GMT -5
actually the mentioned Bicske refugee center (and some others) was created in 1989 originally to support the many Hungarian refugees from Romania. Interesting. So instead of giving them citizenship and housing for your own ethnic Magyars , you keep them the same as Somalians in refugee camps. I didn't knew about this, but its kinda sad. around 1988-1991 was the first time for decades when a big wave of refugees, tens of thousands of ppl came to hungary (before them Greeks came after 1949 and Chileans after 1973 in bigger groups). Then after the Hungarians from Romania, the refugees from ex-Yu arrived during their war and now mostly ppl from the third world. there is nothing sad in giving shelter for ppl in need, thats the sad they had to leave their original home.
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Post by lvl100 on Nov 8, 2009 0:28:50 GMT -5
there is nothing sad in giving shelter for ppl in need, thats the sad they had to leave their original home. Yeni since it looks you wanted to open this can of worms , I will go along and remind you that you had no excuse to keep your own kin in refugee camps. Unlike Somalians or other people coming from war zones and alike, Hungarians from Romania came because of economical reasons only. In `89-`90 Romania really reached the botttom of the barrel economically speaking so for them was natural to go to find a better life to their own kin, just a few km away from their home. not from another continent. I knew about the position of many Hungarian citizens for whom the ethnic Magyars living in bordering countries where good only to cry about "poor oppressed brothers", but when they came in Hungary they where treated like "go back where you came from, you have no place in Hungary". Like wbb bluntly put it : Maybe those Hungarians should go back to Transylvania where they came from Dont worry wbb, you`re not the only who thinks this way. That failed referendum speaks volumes about that and countless testimonies about : "here in Romania we are Hungarians, but in Hungary they treat us like Romanians" We had also a wave of Aromanians coming to settle down in Romania, but they received housing and job opportunities , not refugee camps. What`s up my little Sumerian ?
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Post by yeni on Nov 8, 2009 7:51:49 GMT -5
indeed, this shameful attitude exist among many ignorant ppl, but hopefully this injustice will be partly corrected and all Hungarians in the neighboring countries will recieve Hun citizenship (i voted yes in that referendum in 2004 ) don't worry the Hungarian refugees also recieved housing and jobs. Thats why they created the refugee centers too to give them housing when they first arrived without anything. They were not locked there and most of them became Hun citizens in a quite short time.
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Post by wbb on Nov 8, 2009 8:56:52 GMT -5
yeah...sure right...yeah, Hungarians came because Romanians threw them out from their homes in Transylvania and Csangolisztan. Hey Mr smart-arse if Romanians would stop bother Hungarians in Transylvania then maybe but maybe those Hungarians wouldnt migrate to Hungary in the first place. Hungarians should go back to Transylvania because that's their home and they shouldnt abandon it. Hungary itself is too small to hold that many Hungarians coming from outside of Hungary, and Hungary should be a big nation anyway. bs, we treat them as hungarians but their home is Transylvania which is a typical Hungarian land, that's why many went back. In which many Aromanians didnt come, they stayed back in Greece because they consider themselves Greeks. lol ;D Is that also include Hungarians from another continent like America and Australia yeni?
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Post by dezboy on Nov 8, 2009 9:21:38 GMT -5
Lets hear those "countless testimonies" little instigator. Settling aromanians in the Dobruja region and ousting the majority Bulgarians to change the ethnic balance is a poor comparison. Yes yeni, you're right they eventually all became Hungarian citizens. Its terrible that the Hungarian govn't didn't back that referendum but perhaps it would have put a tremendous burden on the economy. Europeanism rather than nationalism I believe is the way to go. Hungary's neighbors have a much longer road to travel.
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Post by lvl100 on Nov 8, 2009 10:58:48 GMT -5
So, spending another Sunday, locked in your room , snorting paprika and singing Kumbaya , eh ? Don`t worry my Sumerian friend, the sun will shine on your street someday too.
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Post by wbb on Nov 8, 2009 11:51:59 GMT -5
Dezboy, it's not nationalism that's affecting the hungarian society, it's the mentality of tribalism and clanism that does it. Europeanism is not the solution for Hungarians, Europeanism had done far too much trouble for Hungary for a long time now. Trianon is one good example why and secondly Hungary and all the European nations declared war upon Ottomans that's made the Ottomans to invade Hungary, instead Hungary should of let the Ottomans march into Western Europe while Hungary would still be on the map. Who cares what would the Ottomans done to the europeans, it's not our concern, our concern was that Hungarians and Ottomans who are brothers by blood fought each other. That's what europeanism is to Hungary, a disease.
Is that what u gonna do all your lives lvl100? Chatting your kind bs after bs when nobody gives a chit about your own fairytale theory? Go get yourself a fuk and lick a pusy or something.
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Post by dezboy on Nov 8, 2009 15:11:10 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood me wbb, nationalism is affecting the Hungarians in neighboring countries, not in Hungary itself. The language law in slovakia, serb brutality in vajdasag and the theft of church property and the refusal of autonomy in Szekelyfold by romania are prime examples, they're all nationalistic govn'ts and they have a long way to go until they become truely democratic states and equal partners in the EU. Hungary's on the right path embracing Europeanism, our sadistic neighbors will eventually come to their senses. We're in Europe wbb, forget Turkey, we have to live with our neighbors, look what nationalism has gotten us and look at our neighbors, especially serbia and romania
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Post by lvl100 on Nov 8, 2009 16:57:47 GMT -5
indeed, this shameful attitude exist among many ignorant ppl, but hopefully this injustice will be partly corrected and all Hungarians in the neighboring countries will recieve Hun citizenship (i voted yes in that referendum in 2004 ) . Since Fidezs is set on this and lately I heard that socialist support it too, it will probably happen. Altough it will be interesting to see the conditions. From what I have understand even if they get citizenship, they still dont have rights to vote or social services ( or at least some politicians want that)
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Post by oszkarthehun on Nov 9, 2009 15:00:22 GMT -5
Firstly the intake of refugees from poor acfrican countries and afghanistan and arab countries is nothing new and not exclusive to Hungary, its happening in many Western and West European countries, actually there was a recent survey of the top preferred countries for people to want to migrate to if they had the choice the top 5 were all Western or West European countries not East European and most ofn the people who answered the survey were from Africa. Its nice of Hungary to do this but also Hungary is not a wealthy country and has a low Hungarian birthrate, the Government should build on good buisiness relationships with its neighbours stimulate the economy and encourage Hungarians to have more children. From what I see unfortunatly I dont have much faith in Hungarian Governments, they seem to just look after themselves. I dont know of any good or great Political figures who are really doing good things for the country. The Ottomans were invading Europe with the mindset of conquering it and making it part of its empire WBB, but you talk as if Europe was attacking Ottomans no it was the other way around, Europe and Hungary were defending their territory, if someone walks into your house and tells you ok this is my house now and now you must pay me rent, maybe you would feel ok about that but most people wouldnt. If Hungary allowed Ottomans to march into Western Europe it wouldnt have made Hungary more succesful in my oppinion. Eventually Ottomans were defeated and I think that was inevitable if Hungary had allied with Ottomans in the way you proposed then in the aftermath Hungary if it still existed would be in much worse position with zero neighbourly allies except perhaps Albania and Bosnia who didnt have much clout in the region anyway. Hungary has its colourful history and its colourful culture but it lives in Europe WBB get used to it. Dezboy, it's not nationalism that's affecting the hungarian society, it's the mentality of tribalism and clanism that does it. Europeanism is not the solution for Hungarians, Europeanism had done far too much trouble for Hungary for a long time now. Trianon is one good example why and secondly Hungary and all the European nations declared war upon Ottomans that's made the Ottomans to invade Hungary, instead Hungary should of let the Ottomans march into Western Europe while Hungary would still be on the map. Who cares what would the Ottomans done to the europeans, it's not our concern, our concern was that Hungarians and Ottomans who are brothers by blood fought each other. That's what europeanism is to Hungary, a disease. Is that what u gonna do all your lives lvl100? Chatting your kind bs after bs when nobody gives a chit about your own fairytale theory? Go get yourself a fuk and lick a pusy or something.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Nov 9, 2009 22:18:16 GMT -5
more propaganda above from WBB actually Hungary has only 24.000 Muslims 0.2 % of Hungarian population. Romania comparatively has 66.000 Muslims 0.3% of population. Bulgaria has 920,000 Muslims 12.2 % of population. Albania has 2,522,000 Muslims 79.9 % of population. Macedonia has 680,000 Muslims 33.3 % of population. Poland has 48,000 Muslims Serbia has 244,000 Muslims 3.2 % of population. actually WBB Muslim refugees are more interested in Western European and Western countries. Austria has 353,000 Muslims 4.2% of population. Germany has 4,026,000 Muslims 5 % of population. Holland has 946,000 Muslims 5.7% of population. Switzerland has 323,000 Muslims 4.3 % of population. France has 3,554,000 Muslims 6 % of population. Australia has 365,000 Muslims 1.7 % of population. USA has 2,454,000 Muslims 0.8 % of population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_countryHungary with only 24,000 Muslims 0.2 % of population is not an Islamic country and most likely it never will be, once again get real. well it's has to be some1 who is an idiot who want to leave Hungary. I remember 1 Kurdish guy who lives in Hungary fled Hungary and went to Holland but he got caught was immediately sent back to Hungary, he didnt even born in Hungary nor he is a Hungarian citizen, but perhap i was wondering why a white europeans with blond hair and smells like cowchit would send people with Middle Eastern appearance back to Hungary. Because Hungary divides from Western Europe, Hungary is the furthest advance of Islam to Europe so far. Spain today is already repopulated with muslims after the fall of Al-Andalus. Well not all muslim refugees would go for money, but rather they want safety from all those stupid un-Islamic fanatics back in their country. Maybe Somalis and Congolese would leave Hungary, who knows but i doubt about the Palestinians and Afghans. Palestinians and Afghans would stay, they can quickly learn the language and fit in. I know a Palestinian and Afghan at the mosque in Budapest.
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Post by wbb on Nov 17, 2009 2:27:44 GMT -5
Omg here comes Oszkar bacsi the sceptic. No, Europe and Hungary declared a war upon Ottoman because Ottoman invaded Constantinople, Hungary help those poor miserable Europeans against Ottoman who is Hungary's brother. Europeans done nothing good to Hungarians but spit on Hungarian's face and back-stab them. You know "Hungarians are evil Mongols" said by racist European arseholes. And Hungary is not Europe, Hungary is another continent called..."Magyarorszag", when european people put their dirty european foot on Hungary, they are not in Europe but in....HUNGARY!!! A land where people dont speak European but Hungarian. A land of puszta which is the most unique land which is alien to Europe. And yes it's better to see Europeans suffer at the hand of orientals rather than Hungarians suffer. Hungary should grant military access to Ottomans so that Hungary wouldnt be part of Ottoman empire. A real decent Hungarian doesnt give a chit about Europeans but their own people...Hungarians. Actually there's more than just 24,000 hahaha, there's 60,000-70,000 maximum. Hungary will be a muslim country insha-allah, an Islamic Kingdom of Hungary with all the lost hungarian lands to be connected with Hungary again insha-allah. It is written before it's been created. Ur theory is based on stupid Anti-Christ Dajjal who want to wipe Hungary off the map but it wont happen because proud Hungarians will fight against the stupid Anti-Christ Dajjal, Hungarians will always remain a proud Hungarians.
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