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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jan 24, 2010 15:42:14 GMT -5
Turkish citizens hold demonstration outside Phanar in support of the Ecumenical Patriarchate1/14/2010 Istanbul, Turkey A demonstration in support of minorities was organized on Saturday, January 9, outside the compound of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul. The event was organized by a coalition of liberal and peacemaker organizations named ‘70 Million Steps Against Coups’. Demonstrators shouted slogans and held banners reading: ‘No one should be able to touch the Patriarchate and Patriarch Bartholomew’; ‘Long live the brotherhood of peoples’; ‘Freedom’; ‘Dissolve Ergenekon’; in Greek: ‘All peoples are brothers and sisters’; and in Turkish: ‘Bring coup instigators and ones planning “Klovos” to Justice.’ The Turkish government has recently revealed that “Klovos” is a plan of some forces in the army to perform assassinations aimed at creating incidents like the September 1955 pogrom against the Greek Orthodox minority (Septemvriana). In a statement which was read by their representative they referred to three bloody coups which took place within the past 50 years; as well as elected mayors who are still being sent to prison, political parties being shut down, and the existence of article 301 of the Penal Code and the recent assassination of the Journalist Hrad Dink. They say that Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew would be the victim of the first planned assassination according to the “klovos” plan and stress that they neither would allow a new coup nor new “Septemvriana”. The Coalition, which performed the demonstration today outside the Phanar, was created two years ago by non-governmental organizations. “We have organized many demonstrations against police state and coup instigators,” stated their representative Ms. Gilsin Enen, to ANA MPA and added that, “today we are demonstrating in support of our fellow Turkish citizens of the Greek minority who have been victims of attacks. We are here preventing a new attack against Greeks and we will offer our support towards them.” His All Holiness was not present in the Phanar at the time of the demonstration but he was informed by reporters who were at his side while he was at the Black Sea countryside with the Greek Orthodox young people of Istanbul. theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2010/01/turkish-citizens-hold-demonstration-outside-phanar-in-support-of-the-ecumenical-patriarchate/
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Jan 24, 2010 16:16:10 GMT -5
lol, There are 20 people at best.
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 24, 2010 16:37:33 GMT -5
The crimes of the Pogrom of 1955 and its 150.000 refugees cannot be forgotten... the Kemalist deep state of the generals had used the Patriarchate to... receive hand grenades... and burnt Patriarch's idols... such ridiculous size demonstrations have no relation with what turkish deep state represents...
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 25, 2010 0:39:48 GMT -5
where is dy? ?!!!! THIS IS WHAT I'm TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!! By the way,this is wonderful wonderful news! We are always hearing about the "stupids" of Turkey(Kemalists),now we finally get to hear about the smart ones!
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Post by diurpaneus on Jan 25, 2010 5:19:58 GMT -5
An assasination of the Ecumenical Patriarch wouldn't bother just the greeks but the whole Orthodox World.
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Post by leshte on Jan 25, 2010 13:59:07 GMT -5
Horrible crimes indeed. Yet no different then the crimes the Greeks committed to their own minorities.
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 25, 2010 14:11:33 GMT -5
Horrible crimes indeed. Yet no different then the crimes the Greeks committed to their own minorities. if you talk about the 20.000 palioCams, with their known role under the Axis, just like millions of others(Germans mainly) had the same fate...go discuss it with Germans... And yes the violent expulsion of about 180.000(included Imvros and Tenedos) and about 1.300.000 Greels about 30 years before from Minor Asia, Pontos and Thrace cannot be compared with the above vromocams... the last can be compared with the persecution and the expulsion of tens of thousands Serbs from Kosovo, again from Albanians under Nazi flag... In contrast the minority we have in Thrace, which supposed to exist along with the Greek minority in Polis,Imvros and Tenedos, still exists and from 60-70.000 are now 100.000...while in Turkey are left only about 2.500 Greeks...
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 25, 2010 17:44:38 GMT -5
Jannisary.. they are 20 people... out of 70 million Turks! Come on.. give me a break.. Turks dont have it innate to demonstrate for human rights and stuff like that... leave it to Greeks. We're ready to burn our country if a young child is being shot by a cop or being tortured in prison... Lets just say.. you dont have it.
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Post by leshte on Jan 25, 2010 19:28:57 GMT -5
Patrine take your head out of your priests a$$ for once. Don't expect any sort of sympathy from anyone when you have no sympathy for others. Anyone can come up with stupid a$$ excuses. Do you want a real good stupid a$$ excuse. I'll follow your own. The Turks could not have Greeks within Turkey so they had to exterminate them, there was no other way. There were no Nazis in the 1910's when expulsions started.
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 26, 2010 5:50:23 GMT -5
There were Nazis when Osman Cams thought that they'll continue to be osman agas...
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 26, 2010 5:53:35 GMT -5
leshte,of course the Turks CAN have Greeks in Turkey.They accepted close to half a million Greek Muslims from Greece in the 1920's.
And then dont forget the Pontic Greek Muslim........
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 27, 2010 12:59:56 GMT -5
What methods of Propaganda is this demo ?
The Romaioi of Istin Poli should not become Turk citizen !
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jan 27, 2010 15:08:18 GMT -5
Jannisary.. they are 20 people... out of 70 million Turks! Come on.. give me a break.. Turks dont have it innate to demonstrate for human rights and stuff like that... leave it to Greeks. We're ready to burn our country if a young child is being shot by a cop or being tortured in prison... Lets just say.. you dont have it. Actually, there were demonstrations elsewhere. Nevermind, after all, you seem to make up your mind as you wish irrespective of the size of the demonstrations taken place. Moreover, I know you are ready to burn the entire cities. Did Turks burn any part of Saloniki when they lost the Balkan War? Not at all. However, we all recall what happened in Izmir.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 27, 2010 15:13:01 GMT -5
Jannisary.. they are 20 people... out of 70 million Turks! Come on.. give me a break.. Turks dont have it innate to demonstrate for human rights and stuff like that... leave it to Greeks. We're ready to burn our country if a young child is being shot by a cop or being tortured in prison... Lets just say.. you dont have it. Actually, there were demonstrations elsewhere. Nevermind, after all, you seem to make up your mind as you wish irrespective of the size of the demonstrations taken place. Moreover, I know you are ready to burn the entire cities. Did Turks burn any part of Saloniki when they lost the Balkan War? Not at all. However, we all recall what happened in Izmir. Ofcourse your post has nothing to do with my post .I said something.. you answer something different.. pfff.. the typical a la Tourka conversation.. Ok. Lets talk for your post. Ottomans burned nothing in Thessaloniki because they were the ones who lost!.. the few ones!. They were deported from Thessaloniki in a decent way with their stuff etc etc etc.. Do you want me to remind you the deportation of Greeks from Smyrni? The water was red.... and the houses were burned down from the Chetes. Quite a difference eh? Even in deportations...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 27, 2010 16:49:58 GMT -5
sick treli tourkofara !!1922 The Turkish army had burnt Smyrna to the ground the called Smyrna Gâvurizmir," Smyrna proved somewhat of an anomaly for the Ottomans and Young Turks alike: its predominantly Greek population along with substantial, Armenian, Jewish and other European populations as well did not lend itself easily to be included within the ethnically based policies of Young Turks. It was in essence a European city, adorned in neo-classical architecture, with Parisian inspired theatres, auditoriums, colleges and clubs, possessed a tram line and a fin de siecle self confidence in western civilisation. No wonder then that Smyrna´s appellation in the popular parlance of the Turks was "gâvurizmir," Smyrna of the Infidels. In 1922, in the culmination of a campaign to rid the newly created Republic of Turkey of its ethnic minorities, the ancient city of Smyrna was destroyed and burnt down by Kemal Ataturk and his sick fascist young turks.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 28, 2010 0:54:05 GMT -5
Jannisary.. they are 20 people... out of 70 million Turks! Come on.. give me a break.. Turks dont have it innate to demonstrate for human rights and stuff like that... leave it to Greeks. We're ready to burn our country if a young child is being shot by a cop or being tortured in prison... Lets just say.. you dont have it. Actually, there were demonstrations elsewhere. Nevermind, after all, you seem to make up your mind as you wish irrespective of the size of the demonstrations taken place. Moreover, I know you are ready to burn the entire cities. Did Turks burn any part of Saloniki when they lost the Balkan War? Not at all. However, we all recall what happened in Izmir. Turks burnt Izmir
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jan 28, 2010 5:19:53 GMT -5
Ofcourse your post has nothing to do with my post .I said something.. you answer something different.. pfff.. the typical a la Tourka conversation.. You said what? You repeated your self. Talked about Turks and so on. Nothing new. You got your reply (not an answer) accordingly. Turks lost the battle and did not burn anything when they evacuated Balkans. So you also agree on that. Yes, many innocent Rums suffered since the Greek army burned everything on its run away route. Unfortunately, trashed army of the Greek did not care about the Rums. In fact, there were many European ships docked at Izmir when the fleeing Greeks arrived to Izmir. However, those Europeans refused to board the Anatolian Rums. They watched them drown in the Aegean Sea instead.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 28, 2010 5:43:38 GMT -5
Turks were the ones who burnt Izmir.Some say,it was an enemy of Ataturk.
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Post by chalkedon on Jan 28, 2010 5:46:53 GMT -5
I dont think Greeks had time to burn the city. Lets be honest here...they were running for their lives. Turks were in a frenzy...they were being beaten and then we lost the initiative. They came back with a vengeance. In war nothing makes sense...so its no surprise the turks would burn down the city. Its not like its a first time or something..
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Post by Kastorianos on Jan 28, 2010 6:00:43 GMT -5
The Turks burned the city because at this time they didnt know if the city would remain despite the turkish conquest autonomous or not. Remember Smirni was no part of the Turkish state anymore at this time (treaty of Sevres). The outgoing of the coming peace treaty was open. It wasnt really foreseeable for the Turks at this time which territories that Greece got after the Sevres treaty it would beable to maintain and which not and what Turkey would get (we lost Eastern Thrace to the Turks but could maintain Western Thrace for example in the end).
Also...Smirni had always been a thorn in the ottoman's flesh because it was an important city but it had always had a predominant Christian population...("gavur Izmir"). This war gave the Turks finally the occasion to burn it down to the grounds and to "clean" it finally according to their own comprehension.
Its better they destroyed it if you ask me...today its an ugly modern city...I wouldnt grant them to have just another beautiful Greek city...may their souls burn in hell the same way...we will never forget.
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