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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 1, 2010 16:34:05 GMT -5
Good point, many Turks do not bear grudges, I have yet to come across any from Turkey anyway.
Turkish Cypriots though are different and still remember the days they were attacked, when I try to talk with them about how much better it is to be peaceful, they say things like "My best friend from childhood attacked us" , "We lived together for years but they turned on us" , the classic is "we can only live as friends in England/Australia, never again in Cyprus"
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 2, 2010 8:49:30 GMT -5
you are a CAHIL racist person.... If Turkish guys are so bad than why are all the Americans and European women marrying them? You are so wrong on making generalizations about Turks. Actually Turks in villages are more religious than cities in general. And actually you're also wrong about Muhacir. Turks from Anadolu are much more friendlier than Muhacir's. Just an FYI since you have no knowledge about anything. Excuse me! Those women who marry Turkish men are giving in to them! Turkish men,as I've said,harrass and manipulate women endlessly,I've read about this.The moment they see one they like,they go up to them and buzz around non-stop.They manipulate women by complementing them with bs. I did say Turks in rural areas are religious and hospitable then urban ones. So you are telling me I do know anything about Turks by confirming what Ive said. Also,tell me about this-''Turks from Anadolu are much more friendlier than Muhacir's''
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 2, 2010 9:25:57 GMT -5
What a load of crap. My cousins grandmother on his fathers side is Italian. She fell in love with and followed him to Turkey, he actually struggled not to marry her, but she wouldn't give up. LOL In the same way my cousins(the grandson of the italian) ex wife who is Russian, even though my cousin said look, I have other gf's I can't be faithful, go and marry a man who will be with youforever, she didn't give up and pursued him. They got married, but after 7 years she couslnt take his coldness so she is now with another Turkish guy.. LOL, even though she is partly german and partly polish and can go and live in either countries she CHOOSES to stay in Turkey and be with Turkish men. At my workplace 3 Americans 1 Canadian and 2 Portoguese have Turkish boyfriends who they complain about all the time for the lack of attention, because Turkish men are macho, they love to meet with there friends go clubbing, play football, chat up girls etc.. until they get married 90% are not faithful. Turkish women do not give them any attention - Turkish women ask = do u have money a a job, a car, a summer house, whats your education? They don't care what he looks like. thats why they love all the attention they get from the foreign women. Foreign women don't care about all that stuff, they just look at how good is he in bed, is he handsome is he exciting and Turkish men are good at that stuff so.....
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 2, 2010 13:48:20 GMT -5
You are saying both the men and women do not give any attention.
And you are confirming my thoughts that Turkish men are pests.
Of course she chooses to stay in Turkey.Turkish men are a drug.Remember I said manipulative? Bs complements? Girls love that.Especially "battered" ones.And even more so if they are dumb.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 2, 2010 14:03:21 GMT -5
Pests are things that bug u. Turkish men don't usually chase a women unless he is going to marry her, note the word MEN and not boy's.
Turkish man are the sweetest talkers, complimenting people is not manipulation,
Turks (male and female) are complementative people, but beware: they are extremely blunt with it, they may say oh your eyes are so beautiful if u lost 5 kilos you would look like a model!! or You are such a pretty girl, but that ugly haircut doesn't suit you.
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Post by thracian08 on Feb 2, 2010 14:52:27 GMT -5
yeah you are full of B.S.and you know it and can't take it.... Western men have no emotions, and are also not manly. I never said Turks in rural areas are more hospital than in urban ones, I just said in general they are more religious but not always, as a lot of people move to cities from the countryside and seem to become more religous. Yes, in general people from Anadolu - meaning middle of Turkey are more friendly than Muhacir people in general. They are more connected to their families and people in general. Anyways, speaking about religiousness, for example my family is from Bursa and Balikesir. My mother's mother's side is from Uskup and mother's father's side was an Aga in Bursa near Uludag. My father's father's side were all University teachers during the Ottoman times in Varna, Bulgaria. After the wars they came back to Balikesir. They are originally from Konya and are of Turkmen descent. They have a family tree going back 300 years! My mother's side is more religious in the sense that my grandmother decided to wear a headscarf after she got old, and she began praying 5 times a day. My grandfather would drink alcohol Konyak from time to time, but he went and did his Haj as well. My father's mother and father both went to the first teaching school University in Turkey during that time. They fast during Ramadan but don't pray 5 times a day. My grandfather would go to Friday prayers. I think that sums up the typical Turkish Muslim. Of course, some are more strict than others or some don't care at all esp. if they are atheist. I agree DY, Turkish women don't give Turkish men attention b/c they play hard to get. Western women are so easy and pick up on guys, that's why their reputation is so low usually. In the Western world, b/c the sexes are equal per se, women are turning into men - seriously. They are not feminine - @ least not in the USA, they are aggresive, manly like. I heard Swedish women are very mean and harsh - and extremly manly - even over USA women. And Turkish men are really good looking Actually statistically, Western men cheat on their wives.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 2, 2010 15:07:27 GMT -5
My dads family are from Adana, mainly Yoruk - Turkmen background. This is pure Anadolu .. Med- Anatolia. My Greatgrandad had his wife and kids, and then he had his GF's he would drink Raki twist his moustache and go buy his new gf a house! He had about 6-7 women on the go, he bought each a house and supplied them with money. drank a bottle of raki a day... total party goer of those days. (God knows how much unknown family i have over in Adana)
My Grandad drank and partied up till the age of 45, then he decided to get religious. Went to the mosque 5 times a day after that (may have had something to do with my Grandmother divorcing him)
My Grandmum who divorced him 45 years ago about is 84 years old, doesnt wear a headscarf, has manicured and pedicured nails. Has her hair always dyed n styled, make up, etc etc....
My dad once in 5-10 years goes to the mosque on a friday if someone really forces him. Lol drinks a bottle of raki a night.
none of his 2 full blood sisters wear headscarves nor are religious, never heard of them going to a mosque, in fact im almost 99% certain one is an atheist. Seems like being from Anadolu doesn't immediatly make u religious does it? Yet my family are the friendly bunch u will find, especially my dad and his cousins, all love to have a BBQ drink up, some nice music chill it out.
Religion doesn't equal friendly.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 2, 2010 17:05:29 GMT -5
Really interesting, especially having in mind that during Ottoman times there was no university in Varna.
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Post by thracian08 on Feb 2, 2010 17:30:33 GMT -5
They actually owned the University - called Medrese and in fact there is a thank you letter from the Sultan to my familiy for that. I would check on your statement.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 3, 2010 6:04:06 GMT -5
I think I found a country that actually knows what they are doing. Such refreshing news to hear once in a while. France refuses a citizenship over full Islamic veil news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8494860.stmThe full-face covering has inflamed passions in France The French government has refused to grant citizenship to a foreign national on the grounds that he forced his wife to wear the full Islamic veil. The man, whose current nationality was not given, needed citizenship to settle in the country with his French wife. But Immigration Minister Eric Besson said this was being refused because he was depriving his wife of the liberty to come and go with her face uncovered. Last week, a parliamentary committee proposed a partial ban on full veils. It also recommended that anyone showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" be refused residence permits and citizenship. 'Integration' In a statement, Mr Besson said he had signed a decree on Tuesday rejecting a man's citizenship application after it emerged that he had ordered his wife to cover herself with a head-to-toe veil. Find out about different styles of Muslim headscarf In graphics "It became apparent during the regulation investigation and the prior interview that this person was compelling his wife to wear the all-covering veil, depriving her of the freedom to come and go with her face uncovered, and rejected the principles of secularism and equality between men and women," he said. Later, the minister stressed that French law required anyone seeking naturalisation to demonstrate their desire for integration. Mr Besson's decree has now been sent to Prime Minister Francois Fillon for approval. The interior ministry says only 1,900 women wear full veils in France, home to Europe's biggest Muslim minority. In 2008, a French court denied citizenship to a Moroccan woman on the grounds that her "radical" practice of Islam was incompatible with French values.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 3, 2010 16:55:52 GMT -5
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Post by nilofer on Feb 4, 2010 9:47:10 GMT -5
There's definitely a huge difference between Islam in Nothern Europe, Eastern Europe, in the Middle East, Asia, America etc. How people practice Islam does differ not only from place to place but even from country to country - and from family to family. I think most people think Islam is one specific thing that is very black and white, and all who claim to be Muslim, but don't fit the general perception of what a "real Muslim" is, is being ridiculed and called names such as "wannabe-Muslims" or "Plastic-Muslims". It's unfair to pinpoint Islam as the only religion that MUST be one thing for EVERYBODY in the entire world. But how can it be expected that non-Muslims don't view Islam that way when that's how too many Muslims view Islam?
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 4, 2010 10:09:31 GMT -5
The reason why there is difference between Islam around the world,is because they practise it to varying degrees.So none of them are "full" Muslims,but just Muslims.Historically,some wore the headscarf,like in Turkey,while for others,they didnt,like those in Malaysia.
But since the rise of political Islam in the 70's and 80's,there has been a reawakening of Islam around the world,and Muslims started becoming more religious.That's how headscarves became widespread in my country.Waaaay before all that there was a lot of visible difference among Muslims around the world.
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Post by thracian08 on Feb 4, 2010 14:14:47 GMT -5
I disagree Chalk. I mean, if a person wants to wear a certain outfit it is up to themselves.
That's why I think Europe is backwards when it comes to freedom and basic rights compared to the USA.
You might not agree with them doing so, but respecting a persons own beliefs or culture in this case is the correct way to go.
showing eyes only is not Islamic by the way, it's an Arab Cultural outfit - it is their own culture.
The more France does these type of things, they will be losing in the long run as they will alienate people even more; already there's a lot discrimination towards Arabic Muslims in France as we saw in the car burnings. This will just fuel their fire if you ask me.
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 4, 2010 22:05:58 GMT -5
Yes,IF,a citizen of France WANTS to wear a burqa,they can wear it.That is freedom because of liberalism.But of course,if you wear that and am applying to become a citizen of France,that is not helpful at all.
And the showing of eyes only is a PENINSULAR Arab thing.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 4, 2010 23:49:21 GMT -5
Why move to a country that doesn't approve of, nor understand your cultural ideals. Why move to a country that you do not have any cultural common ground with. Why try to challange a countrys rules? Go somewhere it is more acceptable, I wouldnt go into a religious musim persons house in a revealing outfit, because I know it may offend them. In the same way I wouldn't want someone coming into my house dressed head to toe in black with only eyes revealed, it puts me on edge. Why? Because it isn't the norm for me, nor is it the norm for them. If they don't like it don't come, if I don't like it I don't go. Good on France, they are doing well. Especially for the women forced to wear the burkha
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 5, 2010 3:26:51 GMT -5
This makes me furious ! As a father of a 6 month old baby girl...I cannot imagine doing something like this under no circumstance. The ppl should be executed ASAP and their bodies left out to rot as an example. I personally would like 10 minutes alone in a room with them. I would send them straight to Allah... Girl buried alive in honor killing in Turkeywww.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=girl-buried-alive-in-honor-killing-2010-02-04A 16-year-old girl was buried alive by relatives in southeastern Turkey in a gruesome honor killing carried out because she reportedly befriended boys, the Anatolia news agency reported Thursday. Acting on a tip, police discovered the body of the girl, identified only as M.M., in a sitting position with her hands tied, in a 2-meter-deep hole dug under a chicken pen outside her house in Kahta, a town in the southeastern province of Adýyaman, the news agency reported. The body was found in December, around 40 days after M.M. went missing. She is being identified by her initials because she was under the age of 18. Her father and grandfather are suspected in the murder. A subsequent postmortem examination revealed that M.M. had a significant amount of soil in her lungs and stomach, indicating that she was buried alive and conscious, forensic experts told the news agency. “The autopsy result is blood-curdling. According to our findings, the girl – who had no bruises on her body and no sign of narcotics or poison in her blood – was alive and fully conscious when she was buried,” one anonymous expert said.The girl’s father and grandfather have been formally arrested and jailed pending trial over her killing, according to the agency. The father is reported to have said in his testimony that the family was unhappy that M.M. had male friends.The girl was reported as missing and no clues about her disappearance were found for 40 days. Her mother was arrested along with the father, Ayhan, and grandfather, Memi, but later released. The two men were sent to prison by a local court and did not speak in the court. Police had found the body of the girl using an anonymous tip saying that M.M. had been killed based on a decision by a family council and buried under the chicken pen, daily Milliyet reported. The family has nine children, including the girl, and was reported to have told neighbors that she was missing. The girl had made a complaint to police about her grandfather two months before she went missing, saying that he beat her because she talked to boys. Family councils consist of family elders; honor killings are usually decided by such groups.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 5, 2010 3:30:45 GMT -5
I disagree Chalk. I mean, if a person wants to wear a certain outfit it is up to themselves. That's why I think Europe is backwards when it comes to freedom and basic rights compared to the USA. You might not agree with them doing so, but respecting a persons own beliefs or culture in this case is the correct way to go. showing eyes only is not Islamic by the way, it's an Arab Cultural outfit - it is their own culture. The more France does these type of things, they will be losing in the long run as they will alienate people even more; already there's a lot discrimination towards Arabic Muslims in France as we saw in the car burnings. This will just fuel their fire if you ask me. The guy apparantly wanted to be a part of a free world yet at the same time force his wife to wear the burka. Well...he got what he deserved...he can go back to Yemen now and stop trying to infester europe with his backwardness.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 5, 2010 9:25:31 GMT -5
Honour killings are not part of Islam. They are part of a tribal culture mentality existing for the people living in the SE of Turkey.
Please do not tar Islam with the actions of a few uneducated uncivilised animals.
Learn about a law/code called TORE existing in the SE of Turkey.
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Post by thracian08 on Feb 5, 2010 12:09:57 GMT -5
Correct.
It's a Kurdish cultural thing called Tore. It has nothing to do with Islam Chalk.
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