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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 15, 2010 2:52:36 GMT -5
When my ancestors wrote in Greek yours were dwelling on trees in Metsovo vlachopyrro...but that does not say much...since they still havent relocated most probably...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 15, 2010 3:07:55 GMT -5
I am not from metsovo you pathetic alvane.Who told you that? Maybe the same person who told you that the slavMakedonians are like Uganda?
Anyway, i have been in Kastoria, and i doubt the level there is any higher than Metsovo (since you mention it).
I am from Janina, 100%. My grand-grand-father (also from Janina) was a teacher in Northern Epirus, so i guess you cannot compete with me, in the greek-ness arena, you pathetic arbano-vlahe.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 15, 2010 3:42:38 GMT -5
The town on Kastoria has always (!) been a centre of Greek culture and language....it was admittedly an island within a slavic and vlach speaking area but it was a strong Greek one. Every historian can confirm that. In fact there were only a few Macedonian cities that were as Greek as Kastoria...the towns of Kozani and Serres only were similarly Greek. Also the way we speak (and were speaking) Greek in Kastoria is and was not choriatika but very exalted. I dont have slav or vlach speaking ancestors, they didnt understand these languages. Get that in your vlach head finally. Btw our Vlachs did originally come where from? Correctly, Epirus. Northern Epirus? What was he doing there? Did he try to assimilate his brothers?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 15, 2010 3:48:53 GMT -5
Get that in your vlach head finally. Northern Epirus? What was he doing there? Did he try to assimilate his brothers? vlah head? coming from an albanian is quite amusing! About my grand-grand-pa, what was he doing in Northern Epirus... How about teaching some greek students how to read/write? (like all teachers do!!) Oh and your comment about the "greek" serres and Kozani was also funny as well. Janina : slav name Preveza : Slav name Kostur : slav name Janica : slav name Kozani : slav name Ser (Sir) : slav name you get the picture you see, i could argue 100000 times more than you, how great ancient greek i am, born in an island in the midst of a ... slavic/vlah sea ... but i dont do that. cause its the easy way out, f**king your whole country just for the sake of personal benefit. no, Kastor, you are neither Greek nor a decent man. You are rotten to the bone. The true Greek stance would be to look the truth in the eye, and smile with confidence. You cannot do that, you are a slave of your own megalomaniac fantasies and cant get your way through it... basically, its not your fault. You are a genuine product of foreign propaganda. However, putting your brain to work a little bit would do no additional harm.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 15, 2010 4:29:35 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 15, 2010 5:29:34 GMT -5
Kleisoura is a vlach village...so what. The town didnt have such individuals. Preveza is albanian. How is Ioannina slav? How is Kastoria slav? Just because you are naming their slavized version? Is Solun slav then, too? And is Istanbul turkish? What kind of logic is that.. stop pretending the supposedly honest person just in order to stand there as a fair-minded, better person...and a "better Greek". You are anything but that. You want to make Northern Greece a slavic place in order to get a link between you and your wife's people....thats all. You have developed a deranged world view that is suiting your personal situation...its a joke and you are even not noticing your own motives which are just an expression of your distressed character. At least not rotten...to the brain.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 15, 2010 8:07:50 GMT -5
Preveza is albanian word? ha ha ha, the classic argument of slavo-phobic arvanovlahs!! How can you possibly spend your life in those forums and not know basic things? reality check : translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=prevez&sl=sr&tl=en#translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=prevoz&sl=sr&tl=en#both prevoz and prevez (and of course Preveza) are Serbian words. As for Ioannina (Janina is the correct word), this word is slav yet neither Serbian, Croatian nor Bulgarian. This is from a rather old slavic form of Jan=John (still in use in Poland/Czech, Slovakia, etc...) Janina = wife (or daughter) of Jan Simply put, if the word was greek "Ta Ioannina" then the single form should be "To Ioannino" which is utterly idiotic to believe. No, the word is slavic just like the rest. PS I WANT TO MAKE NORTHERN GREECE SLAVIC? ? ME? ?? HA HA HA IDIOT!!! if i could i would make ALL Greece f**king Ancient, but accepting historical reality would be a first step (one that you cannot take the risk of taking, cause you are a western-patronized p**y)
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 15, 2010 16:14:39 GMT -5
We Greeks inherited the word Preveza from the albanian prevezi, preveze. The albanians again adopted it from the slavic word prevoz. -ze is an albanian diminutivsuffix. The Albanians formed the preve- and the -ze. We made it Preveza. There are still other versions though but all are with albanian participation.
You are saying Ioannina cant be Greek because the word Ioanninon doesnt make any sense. But Im pretty sure that in ancient times the word "Athina" for Athens would sound utterly idiotic, too. Nevertheless for us all its the only version in use today...
Kastoria is surely no slavic name....the word Kastoria derives from kastoras, beaver, which lived at the lake in past. Kostur is simply the slavized form. Kastoria's town...although occupied by slavs....has never had a worth mentioning slavic population. Never. It has traditionally been Greek. The slavic language has never been welcome there...we are traditionally against it. Even I get aggressive if I hear this makedonska...its so f.ucking ugly. They shall speak it at home in their villages but the city is Greek and will always be.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 2:27:30 GMT -5
"We Greeks inherited the word Preveza from the albanian prevezi, preveze. The albanians again adopted it from the slavic word prevoz. -ze is an albanian diminutivsuffix. The Albanians formed the preve- and the -ze. We made it Preveza. There are still other versions though but all are with albanian participation."
for the 1000000000000000000000th in your life (and you are still young, you can break your own record any time), you are wrong. I showed that the word prevEz is Serbian, so Albs (if having anything to do with this) didnt add too much ... value to the name. Serbian "Prevez"->Greek Preveza, its quite simple, no need to bore us with albanian theories.
Same with Parga, comes from Prag (arc. Parg) which means outer door/gate. So Parga in Thesprotia and Prag in Czech republic is the same name.
Deal with it, all our lands were under slavic control for countless centuries.
"Even I get aggressive if I hear this makedonska...its so f.ucking ugly. They shall speak it at home in their villages but the city is Greek and will always be. "
How would you feel, if the Russians felt the same hatred against our Greeks in Crimea and other ex-soviet regions? How would you feel, if they suppressed the greek language this way?
Pls tell me, how you get "Aggressive"? exactly... as long the makedonski jezik is concerned, it is considered by ALL yugoslavs as the most elegant-lyrical language when used in songs....
(and believe me, the yugoslavs had a much much much much bigger tradition and excellence in music than us)
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out of curiosity, can you name any village in the region speaking slav? I went to Kastoria, slav-searching, with my wife in easter, but no luck!!
i was amazed with the idea, hearing some local slav just some kilometers away from my home!!!
BTW, you may get aggressive with "makedonska" as you call it, but the local fury shop owners do not get aggressive when they hear russian from their russian customers .. LOL
The russian signs/ads inside Kastoria i bet form a much bigger collection of Cyrilic writing than inside Bitola for instance. lol
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 16, 2010 6:53:02 GMT -5
No Im right. It is as I said. I didnt invent that but I read it from a scientist.
Parga lies in Preveza, not Thesprotia. It has really nothing to do with Prag as you say....Parga derives from Hypargos. Mi milas oti nanai.
Countless? You are ridiculous. It was for some few horrible years only...but surely no centuries. Thanks to great Emperors like Basil II for example.
The Greeks were there before the Slavs. But generally I dont have a problem with Russian. I just dislike makedonska.
not exactly aggressive...apla mou tin dinei auti i glossa.
how can a slavic tongue sound elegant....and lyrical...lol.
Well its quite easy actually. The villages south of Kastoria towards the nomoi Ioanninon, Kozanis and Grevenon (especially the ones towards Ioannina) are pred. Greek speaking...hardly any slav villages there. If you want to visit the slav villages you must go to the ones towards the nomos Florinas, most of the villages there are slav speaking....for example Pavlos Melas, traditionally makedonska village where the people do also make their panigiria with slavic music etc etc...in nomos Florinas itself again everyone does speak this tongue.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 7:11:32 GMT -5
^^^ Thanx for the info. However, regarding your early comments, you know you try to deny reality. You say a "scientist" told you about Preveza being an alb word, and i gave you the link directly to the dictionary. What else can i do? Dont you think Kastoriane, you must become a little bit of "scientist" by yourself and start searching the truth instead of being fed with all those amounts of lies, which you consume undigested ? Its your call. About Parga, again you are speaking BS, www.parga.com/periklis.htmlthe guy presents both theories, an idiotic one and the rational one: LMAO!!! ok, lets repeat here your theory, to have some additional laughter : and finally, one theory which is identical to mine: Lets remember that when Slavs were settled in Greece some time in 541+, they used to speak an archaic form of Slav language *BEFORE* the interposition of certain vowel/consonant sounds took place much later. At the time: Grad->Gard Prag->Parg Breg-Berg etc... Kastor, i know our English masters disagree, but its the plain reality. Greece has been under complete slavic rule from 541 till 1400.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 16, 2010 7:15:28 GMT -5
Greece has been under complete slavic rule from 541 till 1400. why we let them go in 1400? LOL we must be really tough race to keep our language for 1000 years under a slavic yoke...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 7:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 7:20:39 GMT -5
Greece has been under complete slavic rule from 541 till 1400. why we let them go in 1400? LOL we must be really tough race to keep our language for 1000 years under a slavic yoke... because maybe the locals wanted to be liberated from Slavs (like albanians did in 1999), by their "friends" the turks? Lets remember, Turks in 13th century were the new "USA"-equivalent of their time. The one and only superpower... Reminds you of any recent albanian terminology? ever thought of that? Now about the language you are making the most fatal mistake... Patrine, i am repeating this... THIS IS A FATAL and detrimental mistake.... Now take seat my son, open eyes and ears and listen : When Slavs came.... they found nobody in Greece.... The roman empire started violent romanizations only after 9th century.... So the language was not exactly "kept", in the naive sense that you put it.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 16, 2010 7:25:00 GMT -5
ore malaka, if you write all these bs making fun you have succes... if you mean what you write then the pills aren't enough for you... try to visit Daphni, they're open today
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 7:27:35 GMT -5
wanna know the rest of my theory? Most of peloponese was populated with Greeks from South Italy, while Epirus/Macedonia with Romioi/Thraxians from Thessaly/Thrace. Todays, pronunciation says it all about everybody.
PS Pure spartans still live in Monemvasia (my favorite place in mainland Greece)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 7:28:35 GMT -5
ore malaka, if you write all these bs making fun you have succes... if you mean what you write then the pills aren't enough for you... try to visit Daphni, they're open today re malaka alvane, eipa na mhn se vrisw mia fora... alla o alvanikos kolos sou den antekse... to telei to gamhsaki,.. vrwmopoustra tell me idiot, if Peloponese was always full of Greeks, then how did Slavs manage to give more than ..... 1500 toponyms in Peloponese? (500 still in use today, 1000 renamed in 1926-1927 mega-campaign) HA?
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 16, 2010 7:32:04 GMT -5
take your today pills: and choose zourlomandya...
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 16, 2010 7:32:57 GMT -5
if Peloponese was always full of Greeks, then how did Slavs manage to give more than ..... 1500 toponyms in Peloponese? (500 still in use today, 1000 renamed in 1926-1927 mega-campaign) HA? ha? source? LOL
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 7:43:13 GMT -5
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